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ING has had to lower their rates a lot too, but it is still a ton better than most other places. At least the Dow went back up some today!!

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I think that I will open an Ing also..It sounds like it might be the best thing for me

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Well I have a little bit in savings but the interest rate at Chase is terrible! I think it was .05%. LOL

I will start contributing back to ING in March after I pay my car insurance in full, but their rate isn't real high eiehter.

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I wish things would quit popping up so that I can get a really good savings going

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You are very right. And I see so many people who seem to think that they can't wait for another week or two to get "whatever".

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You're right JulesGL. When I left the house and went off to college I was able to handle money a lot better than a lot of the people I knew. I shared an apartment for a couple of years with a friend of mine who seemed to figure that if she had checks left she must have money to spend. I've bounced one check in my life (I think while I was still in high school) but that friend bounced a huge number of checks while we were living together. Bouncing checks just causes you so many problems for such a long time that it's best not to do it at all. We can almost always do without whatever it was that we wrote that bounced check for, or at least wait to buy it until our next paycheck.

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2/21/09 2:13 A

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I also like some of what Suze Orman says but I dont listen to all of it

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I'm with Valift! Brag mama, brag on about the great choices your little guy is making!!

Thank you for your perspective on this article. I like Suze for some things. I knew her before I started following Dave Ramsey's stuff. She helped me realize how emotional money is, and being an emotional person, where I have problems with not handling money well (could also insert food here).

I love the idea of making the kids in late JH/HS responsible for a set amount of money for their own care and upkeep/activities. What a blessing you're going to be to your kids when they launch off on their own!!!

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My daughter now has her very own checking account. This is her first attempt. I told her you never want to bounce a check. It costs you more than the world to do that. I have always been good with money. Well maybe not. I did bounce a check when I went to college and I have never done that again.

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Brag all you want. He sounds like a really great kid, and you and your hubby are certainly entitled to be proud of him and even to take a little bit of credit for the things he's learning and the way he's behaving. You guys are doing a great job raising this kid. emoticon

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I do my best. I am not as die hard as some money gurus suggest. But I don't also don't cut him a lot of slack with his money.

Hubby recently found a toy online that he knew our son would want, but is pretty much impossible to find in the stores. So he went to the child and told him that we would go ahead and buy the toy, but that he couldn't have it until he saved up the money to pay us back for it. Hubby said that son had to save at least $2 of his allowance a week to do this.

Not only did my child agree to this, he is already planning what the $2 a week will be saved for after this toy is purchased.

And - get this - the next big purchase he is planning on saving for is his own nice wooden chess board. Like I said, he is only seven, so I am caught between amused and ridiculously proud of him.

And now I am just bragging, I will stop now. lol

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You're obviously training him to be responsible with his money from a young age. I'll be it makes you smile all over every time he hands you one of his receipts. emoticon (This is actually the best story I've heard all day and I'm smiling pretty good right now, too.)

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I think that this is pretty cute.

I am the receipts police at my house. If it is on the account, I had better doggone well have the receipt. And everyone knows that.

Well, my seven year old gets his allowance in cash, pays for his toys with cash (and he will save up if he wants something that is more than his allowance!) Anyway, we will go to the store, he will make his purchases, and then, he always makes sure that he puts the receipt in my hands. It isn't good enough to put it with the other receipts, I have to personally take it.

Now, obviously, I don't need his cash receipts, but I love that he knows that they are something to keep up with!!

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It sounds like a great idea. When I was in high school my parents gave me some money that I used to open a checking account. Then they would give me money periodically so that I could write my own checks for the stuff that I needed. (Clothes, school supplies, gas for the car I drove, and the outrageous expenses involved with playing a musical instrument and being really good at it.) I wasn't required to keep receipts to show them, but I was expected to write down everything that I spent so that I could justify to them why I needed more money. Same basic idea, I suppose. It taught me how to handle money, though some days I'm not so sure that I really learned the lesson that well......

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You mentioned kids.

I don't have any but, I thought I'd pass along something that my dad and mom did.

When I got to jr high, my dad made us keep a spending log plus receipts and we had to show it to get our allowance. We'd only get an allowance for the amount we'd tracked and could show receipts for.

In other words, if my allowance was $3 and I didn't track any spending, come Friday I'd get $0. It didn't take long for me to get in the habit. LOL

He also made us put together a price book for the things we wanted: sneakers, jeans, music, makeup etc.

If something broke or was ripped because we were careless, we'd either have to sew it up and wear it anyway or buy a replacement at the thrift store - out of our allowance of course.

I hated it at the time. Now, I hit the thrift store and yard sales by CHOICE.

Who'da thunk?

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I might have a chance to save some, but we have had another setback..Kids why can't they take care of their own things..


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I cannot wait until I can say that... I still have a good ways to go.

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Yeah, we built up a $1000 emergency fund until we have the debt paid off and it has really helped. It is almost like you can think better when you have that cushion.

A few months ago, we thought that the dishwasher was about to die. Hubby was panicking until I said, "so what if it does? We have the money, and we will just save it back up after we buy the new dishwasher."

It was a beautiful thing. ;)

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$1000 is better than none at all

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I like what Dave Ramsey says about saving $1,000 for emergencies.

It short, doable, and not overwhelming.

It's easy to feel successful when you've hit the goal of saving $1,000.

And, success breeds success.

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Wow,,,is right..I just watched Suze Orman this morning.I recorded it as I had to work last night. I watch her, and there are some things that I know she is probably right about , and I know that I need to have an emergency account. It is hard though. I don't always follow what she says. I just watch and listen.

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wow

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I agree with you Demi
And we definately must remain strong as the worst is yet to hit us.

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I love that about this team. Personal responsiblity is really the cornerstone of just about everything on this website.

Yes, there is an emotional connection to money, just as there is to food, but we are strong, and we are capable of making good decisions with both by informing ourselves and using our judgement and willpower. If you decide you can and will, you will find that you are right.

Which of course, is frequently much easier said than done, but there you go. ;)

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i agree.we have to be responsible for ouy own money.

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Jill Keto (Don't Get Caught With Your Skirt Down) says:

Your financial advisor is not an economist.

Meaning "A broker is a salesman."

Meaning, Empower yourself. Be responsible for gaining financial knowledge from many sources so, you can make an informed decision when you need to.

Which is just another way of saying what you said Demi.

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Yes I don't get that article. I don't that any of these talk show hosts (and that is what they are,not all of them are experts in imho) are probably doing what they advise others too.

I do watch Suzy, she can come across as grating sometimes but there is definitely a relationship with money and your emotions that other talk personal finance experts ignore. She can take it to a little extreme sometimes though.

In other words, become as knowledgeable as you can. The talk show hosts exist to motivate and entertain. They can't be 100% right all of the time but many people tend to follow their advice fanatically. Plus each individual's circumstances are different.

As for the writer, I believe he is the same person that wrote "Maxed Out" the book and produced the documentary. I haven't read or seen either yet but it is a pretty popular book in the personal finance section.

My impression is that he blames the credit card companies, but people need to take responsbility for their actions - maybe that is how he disagrees with Suze but he could have worded it different.

A lot of people don't like her too because is sponsored by the credit agencies.

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LOL, MissBear!! I think that I will blame her for the fact that it is going to be cold this weekend, too. lol!!

Seriously, though, the concerns that I have heard about Suze are more about the different companies that she promotes and takes money from, and that some of her advice seems to conflict with what common sense and a calulator can tell you. But I haven't researched any of that, so I disregarded it.

Incidentally, I don't know if any of you clicked on the author's name, but he seems to have based his website on anti-Orman-ology. Pretty sad in my opinion, I would never want to build my fame based on tearing down someone else.

(edit: I just re-checked his website and he has taken a lot of that down, so I may have made a premature accusation there, sorry!)

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very cool.

Although the article writer certainly was, in Jules words vitriolic, and he didn't need to be, I will say, that if an expert is giving advice they should have their credentials up to date and be taking some continuing education like nurses, realtors, and even cosmotologists (sp?) do. Certified Financial Planners should keep their education up to date too.

I think that's only ethical.

But, the article writer could have simply said that. I may not be a Suze fan but, even I would admit he went overboard.

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Will have to check those books out. Thanks for sharing them.

I dearly loved the last post by MISSBEAR11. It put things into such wonderful perspective with that delightful tongue-in-cheek response. Thanks!

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Most of the books I "buy" are used, swaps, or library sales.

I've read Suze. I'm not a fan. She didn't tell me anything I didn't already know.

I have alot of confidence in Harry S. Dent www.hsdent.com

Harry S Dent,developed a long term economic forecasting technique based on the study of and changes in demographic trends and their impact on our economy.

He says that by analyzing predictable consumer spending patterns combined with demographic trends you can forecast the economy years or even decades in advance.


He DID predict this coming. And, according to leading economists, he's been right on the money since 1980. Unfortunately, he and his writing were not on my radar. They are now.

I checked out his new book The Great Depression Ahead. I'm reading it AND taking notes.

If all that sound too heavy, may I suggest Don't Get Caught With Your Skirt Down by Jill and Dan Keto. I read this first. It's great at explaining things PLUS telling you how to thrive in a depression. It's lighthearted and, I think, really useful.

And, yes, I got it out of the library!


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Now there's the answer MISSBEAR11! in true American fashion, we blame everyone else for not telling us the obvious. Like the person who put the cup of hot coffee between their legs while driving, spills it, and sues McDonalds for not telling them that hot coffee was hot! (And wins! Now we have to have warning labels that hot coffee is hot!)

I was amused when listening to the debate about whether or not this was a recession, on the radio, before the election. And the "expert" came on to the program and said, no it wasn't a recession yet because you have to have x number of months of down indicators. It's just a little slump.

The next day, listening to the same station, a new "expert" was on, telling us how we were deep into a recession, heading maybe for a depression. Hmmm? How could we go from a downturn to almost a depression in one day? Very amusing.

So yes, let's blame Suze Orman for our poverty, our lack of self control, our medical condition, our weight, the color of our hair, and our color preferences. There, now we're absolved of all responsibility. Help anything?

Good thing we have SparkPeople and FlyLady around to cut that kind of "stinkin' thinkin'", and remind us that WE are responsible for making good choices with our lifestyle, be it with food, or exercise, or housecleaning, or money.

One day a time, we change our faulty thinking. We plan ahead for good choices. We follow the plan. Maybe not perfectly, but moving in the right direction.

I think that's why this man's bitterness shows up so clearly to us. Whether she gave good advice or not, I have no idea. But this program is beginning to work in us, and we can look at a claim like this (or the latest wonder drug that claims it makes you skinny with no effort)and look at it with a critical eye.

All good questions I've seen here--who is this man? What are his credentials? Is the message valid?

emoticon I think we're getting it!

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WAIT ... can I change my answer... I've decided I want to blame her on all my problems too, she didn't warn me that donuts and chips would stick to my thighs and patootie, dang!!! lol

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I don't follow what she says much although I know who she is. I have no idea who this guy that wrote this article is ... although he sounds a bit ummm ...envious? of Suze "popularity". Ok, so I don't know much or care much about this ... Suze apparently isn't psychic and so didn't warn everyone .... and apparently neither am I or I wouldn't of read that "idiots" vent. lol Take care.

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I just saw a blurb on MSN but I didn't go to read it. I just read the article. An egotistical man whom isn't doing well I suppose. I watch Suze Orman and I don't follow what she says but some of what she says is interesting and informative to a person like me who doesn't really have a lot. I have learned some stuff from her. I haven't bought any of her material nor will I, but some of the things she says work for me.

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no.i don't mind her,i just don't watch much t.v.

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I don't watch commercial TV, don't buy new books from a bookstore, and I've never heard of her! So much for fame!

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That is an interesting article. I don't know much about Suze, but I don't know much about the author either. I have heard things like this about her before, actually, but I really am not inclined to make a judgement based on just one guy's commentary and a bit of hearsay.

But it is very interesting, thank you for posting it!!

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I'm not sure that anyone could have warned us. Certainly not anyone who had any inclination to do so anyway.

I really don't pay much attention to Suze Orman. If I had some money to invest maybe I would, but I don't and so I don't. My mom has always done the investing in our family and she has sent me a couple of books about that sort of thing. I struggled through one of them at a time when none of it meant anything to me because I barely had the money to pay my rent and bills. I learned so much from it that I can't even remember the name of the guy who wrote it. emoticon

I do get (and sometimes read) a weekly email from motleyfool.com that's pretty good. To me it seems that the best thing to do is to consider the opinions of a number of people and figure out what you think is the best out of all their advice. I know, not an easy thing to do. But I'm not going to hang all of my hopes on Suze Orman or anybody else.

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I haven't looked at it yet, but I am going too. I thought it interesting that it was said why didn't she warn us. Wow, I didn't know she worked for the government. When did this happen. It almost sounds like she was suppose to know all the inside and out. But if she is on that list of not warning us I guess their should at least be a thousand more on that list. As far as I can see their were a lot of supposedly smart people that didn't say anything.

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Her being on TV doesn't mean she isn't knowledgeable.

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I HAVE BEEN WAITING TO READ SOMETHING LIKE THIS...IT WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE...
SHE'S ON T.V. TOO MUCH ALREADY...

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As I read this, I hads to wonder, "what, exactly, is the point of this article?" And also, "who the hell is this guy?" While I don't own any of Suze Orman's books or products, and I don't watch her show, I have to wonder why this guy is so full of hate for her? If you don't agree with what she says, look elsewhere for your financial guru!

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You got to consider who the author is and what his credentials are. I have never heard of him.

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I read it, but thought that the author was mostly just angry that Suze Orman has money. One of his statements against her is that "she is a self described 55 year old virgin" I really do not see what her sexual status or orientation has got to do with finance. Yes some of her advice is basic, but I disagree with the author in saying that money is not emotional. For me it is very emotional. And he also slams her for the amount of money she has invested in the stock market, I do not call 1 million a paltry sum regardless of what percentage it is of her income. The author does make a couple of valid points, like why she didn't warn us sooner, or see herself what was coming. But mostly it just seems to be alot of jealousy of what she has and how she earns money and mostly how she spends it, whose business is it how she spends her own money? That has nothing to do with her advice and its veracity. And I think that mostly she is very honest and up front with people. In the end, it up to the individual to do the reading and research and make their own decisions about what to do with their money, following bad advice or advice that does not work for you is the individuals problem, not the advisor.


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Jules, is that the article from the MSN home page? I started reading it but since I do not follow Suze Orman I stopped...LOL. A lot of people I know swear by her methods. They think she is great.

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Warning: this article is pretty vitriolic, but I wondered what you thought of it?

articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Retire
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