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Here are some feelings that make people overindulge:

HALT

hungry, angry, lonely, tired


Long ago, I was told to HALT because food isn't really what I was needing at those times. And now in 2010 I still need the same lesson. I guess I have not yet learned it. Chris emoticon emoticon

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I am waiting for my book to arrive but I have joined the online course. I am on the second week. Just about every evening for many years I have used food to get numb and go to sleep. I was amazed that lots of other people do this, too. I never heard anyone admit this. Now it is out in the open and hopefully conquerable. It is more than a habit. It fills a real need--to not feel those ugly feelings . Tiredness in the daytime makes me feel depressed and feel that it won't go away. I am getting the lesson that eating too much actually makes me tired in the daytime. Duh! That is why I do it in the evenings. Why didn't I link my afternoon sleepiness to a big lunch? I needed someone to tell me that in no uncertain terms. Chris

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Pam, I have to ask about the spacesuit. Did you do the program in Alabama(?) I think that is the correct state.

thanks, Chris

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Wow!! This chapter was great! I have really been getting in touch with my "food trance" episodes. I know a big trigger for me is coming home for work. I use to always stop by the frig to see "what could relax me". Now, I know that I need to exercise to get the same results of the food trance. There are times that I am "physically hungry". I will eat "healthy". There are times when I start eating "healthy food" in attempt to get a food trance. I can get there even with wasa crackers and laughing cow cheese. I am not fooling myself. It is the strangest feeling to know what I am doing. It does help to become aware of the process. IT might not totally go away over night but eventually with work it should get less.
I just do not like to feel "angry, lonely, bored or sad" (p.29) I truly have "feeling phobia." I also do a lot of intrepting of what other's are doing, not doing and saying or not saying. It is the old "If you spot it, you got it" theory.
I also love the alternatives to Escaping the Food trance on p.188-192.

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I love that whole concept of powerlessness too. It really resonates with me.

It's so much easier to be mad and embarrassed and ashamed of myself for my
food behavior than tackle any of the REAL problems in my life!

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"...let us throw off everything that hinders us and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith".


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Love the title "Over-the-counter Tranquilizer" - so true.

I also find his definitions intriguing. "Food trance," "Feeling phobia," and "Catastrophe Predictions."

I especially like pg 27 "unexamined powerlessness conclusion."

"The answer, time and again, proves to be simple: if you didn't have your weight to think about you might have to think about what's really bothering you, and that's very frightening. It's frightening because I know that you feel powerless to change the things that really bother you."

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Shannonsnail - the idea of being people who look (probably obsessively) for meaning stood out for me too. While I would say I'm not as bad at this now as I was when I was younger, when I do assign a meaning - such as "that means I'm being rejected" or "he/she must think I'm lazy/stupid/ something else negative", then food starts calling me. I noticed that one of my friends, who is very much a 'rolls off his back' kind of guy, doesn't much notice or analyze other people's comments, looks or actions. As a result, he doesn't get nearly as wound up or emotional, and he also doesn't have any obvious addiction (food, alcohol, gambling, etc.) This is food for thought (pardon the idiom)

As for the food trance - I can't say I've really noticed it. Perhaps because this has been an issue for so long for me that whatever relief I do get is so short that it doesn't really qualify as a 'trance.' However, when a craving gets out of control, I find that 1 of what I want doesn't satisfy and it turns into 2, 3, 4 ... eeek!

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I can sooo relate to the food trance!!
I've been comfortable there for many years. It's safe and I'm usually pretty happy there.
All my cares just float away and all that's there is the food of choice that never disappoints...until it's gone...then the diappointment sets in, the disappointment with myself that I ate or overate something that will thwart my weight loss efforts.
Well, today's a new day. With SP and Shrink Yourself I am finding ways to make myself a success.

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I was looking at ch. 2 and its talking about the food trance and its relationship to feelings of powerlessness. I had a fun birthday party Friday night and still had cake sitting out this morning. I came out from my bedroom and headed for the cake as if by habit. I just had a new foundation put in and remodeled a bit (still not done) and noticed how nice my floor looked and how big my space feels. There was a feeling of pleasure. Do I eat to reinforce the pleasure? I also noticed that even though I'm happy about the changes, the process was and is frustrating because I am dependent on workers coming through. They have for the most part, but the times they haven't make me feel helpless. I realize down deep it kicks up the dust around my sense of my incompetence in life, the incompetence that will keep me from getting the things I most long for, in my own mind. I'm full now and feel no desire to eat, so I can't say this insight will keep me from eating now, but I hope I can summon it if the urge to eat comes when I'm not hungry.

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This is so me. I somehow make myself the epicenter of the universe - - everything that is said or done somehow becomes about or reflects on me (badly, most of the time!) This was a real "Aha!" moment for me. That I could actually let myself out of this prison of fun house mirror perceptions by challenging them with another, more plausible version of reality. I had the key the whole time but I didn't know it! An unexpected side benefit is, it was EXHAUSTING living that way. (I don't have to indulge 500 mini episodes in my mind anymore
of "...Oh, no! This means "X" and that means "Y"...I'm doomed!")
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Great job Shannon! Your level of awareness is really up there! I admire you for working through your past issues with the tracking (rebellion) and simply using it for the tool that it is - - one that;s there to help you to reach your goals.

I can so relate to the mindlessness of the initial grab. I had to catch myself several times this week from grabbing a leftover biscuit (on top of the microwave). I was gonna eat it apparently because it was THERE!!! No hunger - - just didn't want the biscuit to be alone up there staring at me (and heaven forbid I would throw it away!!!)

Great job catching that in time and avoiding even more unwanted extra calories!!!

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Pg 34 "They enjoyed the food trance while they were in it...it was always followed by guilt and regret and, of course, extra pounds."

How true. Yesterday, for example, I was actually hungry but not thinking very smart and just wanted to put a food, any food, into my body. Stupidly I grabbed some of my husband's junk food - chocolate covered peanuts, something I've never particularly had a craving for. They were out of the regular packaging and in some rubbermaid so there was no 'label'. I mentally thought of what they might add up to. I began just eating a few but then I was kind of captivated into a food trance, so to speak. The next thing I knew I had gobbled down two servings.

Because I am now tracking my food I had to get online to find the nutritional info so I could enter it. I was SHOCKED at how many calories/fat that little food trance cost me! I ate a tiny dinner purposefully and was still over my range for the day - all because of those stupid peanuts! Talk about feeling regretful!

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Pg. 29 "We're meaning-hungry creatures. We make everything mean something."

I can really relate to this. I am always reading more into situations than is really there. It's been going on since college. I have to say that I likely got there honestly - I went through a really bad situation in high school with my group of best friends where I was deceived by one and then dumped by the group and that heightened my distrust into my college years. I actually sought out counseling in college for this and did get alot of help but I still struggle with it today.

Pg. 30 "...when your child misbehaves you make his behavior mean something about the future of your child or you make it mean something about you"

I don't have any children (yet) but can relate to this because I do it with my spouse. In my mind his decisions say something about me. When he does not try to lose weight and put any priority on exercise I think that means that he does not care if he is around long-term for me or our future children. In reality it just means he doesn't want to lose weight or exercise. He is not unhappy with his excess weight. I don't understand it but it is what it is.

I should not let his contentment with his weight cause me to ignore my own discontentment with my weight.

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There is so much meat in this chapter - it's practically all highlighted!

Pg. 27 - the "unexamined powerlessness conclusion"

This happens to me alot especially in regards to dieting/weight loss. So many times I try and do not get results which makes me feel powerless to change my weight, my health, etc. Then when I feel powerless I turn to food for the high it gives me. Needless to say, after turning to food, I then feel guilty and even more powerless so it's just a huge vicious circle!

Over the last couple years I have been sicker than usual. It has been very difficult to understand and very frustrating. During the times I am not well I feel so powerless over my circumstances. At one point in a fairly lengthy period of illness I more or less made peace with it and have worked to stop letting it have power over me (mentally) but it was hard and those feelings still crop up whenever any illness strikes.

I have been focusing lately on stopping myself from making the "unexamined powerlessness conclusion" particularly in regards to diet/weight loss and instead focusing on little things I can do to further the cause. Last night I felt frustrated because I was still hungry when I reached my calorie limit but instead of letting it control me, I took my bike out for a short ride instead, long enough to feel like I was doing something positive about my weight/health issues.

Edited by: SHANNONSNAIL at: 7/9/2008 (13:23)
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Very interesting insight, Jibbie.
I never really thought about it in that sense. I guess when he mentions powerlessness, for me it alsways brings up a sense of the way that I felt trapped - helpless to change the way that I was acting with food, powerless to stop hating myself - -and yet caught in a seemingly endless cycle of bingeing and self-hatred.

I identify it with a feeling of utter hopelessness and also with a real sense of fear - - that these painful feelings will never change or improve or cease and also that my dreaded outcomes will come to pass and I will be unable to prevent it. I felt a real sense of doom and chaos and a lack of competence to create positive change within my own life.

Strangely, I also felt somehow walled off and protected from intense emotions by numbing out with food and by my fat layer. As if pain would not penetrate it and I could hide behind it and also, most of all, that it would protect me from unwanted sexual attention which had to be avoided at all costs, due to my past.

Tapping into all this was VERY uncomfortable for me, but absolutely necessary. I understand why I was running constantly for another "food fix" and I no longer hate myself for wanting to avoid the "nightmare scenarios" that I kept whipping up. It took a while but I forced myself to open up all the dark closets and look under the bed and realize that there is no hideous monster gaining on me. I felt the pain of it and I am still here.

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Chapter 2 talks about POWERLESSNESS, which I think is an issue that we don't want to address. Most people see "obese" people as being able to "shove their weight around." I always thought it was to cover up insecurity, even in the "fat bully."

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Great insight, Shannon! I read in a few places in the book that when we have resentment built up in relationships & we don't express it or resolve it we will begin to act out in the one area that we have complete control: what goes into our mouths. I guess if we feel pushed around or powerless in one area it can cause us to rebell with food. It kind of makes sense in a weird way.

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Pg 26, "It's not the person or event per se that sets you off, but how those things made you feel."

This is true. For example, I had joined WW and was losing weight when I met my ex-fiance (many years ago). I don't really remember having binge episodes before this time. I had gained that weight from strange sleep cycles due to my job, drinking too many margaritas and lack of activity since graduating from college, not binge eating. I lost a total of 34 lbs and was a size 6 when it was all said and done but during the process he constantly made comments, watched what I ate, told me when he thought I should not eat something, made me walk all the time even when I really did not feel well, etc. He actually had some mental dysfunction in his perception of overweight people and was afraid I would not follow through with my weight loss.

Once we broke up I was angry at how he had made me feel (like my efforts were not good enough for him) I was ready to take back control and in my demented mind I decided that meant to EAT! I ate and ate and ate and began gaining it all back - in rebellion. I wish I had recognized his dysfunction earlier on and not continued the relationship since that was really the beginning of my BED.

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Chapter 2 gets real deep real fast!! This is where we start to realize that we are caught in between trying to avoid our emotions ("Feeling Phobia") and are chasing after some sort of calm numb semi-oblivion ("Food Trance").
I highlighted a good portion of this chapter! But some of the most noteable are:

"If you haven't yet arrived at this place of acceptance where even bad feelings are a part of you to include rather than to banish, then food will remain your preferred method of medicating yourself." (p26)

For some reason, very early on, I began to believe that negative emotions (like anger) were not safe. I have been trying to erradicate it with food ever since.

"By the time the eating frenzy has ended, the bad feelings have vanished but they aren't really gone. They're just buried under food, almost like lost files on a hard drive--they exist somewhere but are temporarily irretrieveable. You're addicted to the escape food provides you more than to the food itself." (p28)

This was key for me because I spent so long thinking I was addicted to certain foods and not to the escape they provided me (simple carbs get me to the trance a lot faster, though!)

"What's so terrible about emotion anyway?...often we misinterpret our feelings in a way that confirms that we're not as worthy as we'd like to be, that makes us believe that we're more powerless than we actually are. These misinterpretations turn up the volume on simple emotions...It's the interpretation that makes the feeling so intense." (p29-30)

This is the heart of the matter for me. I have these "fun house mirror" interpretations going on all the time and they trigger my worst internal "doomsday predictions" about myself and who wouldn't want to drown that out as often as possible! This chapter really started turning the lights on for me!!!


"You can't ignore your emotional signals...or your life will remain stuck. And if you remain stuck, you invite depression and anxiety to flourish...(which) provoke you to eat more to suppress those unwanted feelings and the vicious cycle continues until all you know is that as soon as you feel bad you have to eat something fast. Eventually this mechanism becomes so efficient and automatic that you aren't even aware that you feel bad. All you feel is an unrelenting pressure to eat."

This about sums it all up for me. I did not even know that I felt anything particularly bad. It is that efficient and swift a coping mechanism for me. And, of course, then my attention gets to shift from what's really bothering me to the surface concerns of "I've got to get this fat off me!!! What diet should I try? or "I'm such a crappy person (for bingeing again) I wish I knew how to cure this depression once and for all..." This cycle has kept me purty durn busy for the last 20 years!!! So happy to be breaking free at last!!!

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