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6/9/13 10:30 P

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MAMASAURUS5112: I am going to write you an sparkmessage, I have a lot to share with you if you don't mind :) I also might have some suggestions about the cheese problem that may help.



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6/9/13 9:50 P

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MAMASAURUS -- I'm so glad that you found a plan that is working for you and making you feel better! I didn't mean to make it sound like vegan/vegetarian diets were harmful or not a good idea. I just know I would have a really hard time following that type of diet, so wanted to throw out other options. You're right the Dukan diet is pretty restrictive. It's worked for me, but definitely not for everyone. :o)

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6/9/13 7:44 P

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Thank you all for your helpful responses! It's nice to have so much support in one place, especially from those who are going through basically the same thing since I've found that many of my family and friends just don't understand. I actually have one cousin in particular who is a "health/fitness nut" and she doesn't believe that any of this impacts weight loss/gain. To her, I'm just doing something wrong. It's very frustrating, so I want you to know how much I appreciate you!!

NOGRITNOPEARL: Cutting out all meats actually isn't harmful at all and chicken actually is one of the best things to eat for increasing testosterone. There's a lot of stigma surrounding vegetarian and vegan diets because people are under the impression that people NEED animal proteins when in fact, we don't. Plants and plant-based whole foods offer MUCH protein and it's actually been shown that people who eat little to no meat are at significantly lower risk for things like heart disease, certain cancers and diabetes. That being said, I've been meat-free for about a week now and I feel better than I've ever felt. I have more energy, don't battle with sluggishness throughout the day and I'm in a much calmer place, mentally.
As far as the Dukan Diet goes, I did look into it, but it's too restrictive for me. I'm already having a hard enough time with a low glycemic diet that cutting out anymore would just drive me nuts lol I don't have the willpower for something like that. I will, however, speak with my doctor about a glucose tolerance test. When I was pregnant with my daughter, I had to take the test twice because the one-hour test came back iffy, but the second test---the horrible 3-hour long test---came back fine, which is suprising because my diet during pregnancy was absolute crap.
I'm also back on SparkPeople as a means for support. I joined in December and up until April I was doing all of the calorie counting and logging everything but it just became too stressful because after doing everything right, the weight still wasn't coming off so I stopped tracking everything but my workouts. I'm familiar enough now with many foods that I feel no need to count calories because most of my calories come from, and have been coming from, produce and whole foods.
Feel free to message me or add me any time! :)

CHRIMSONFYRE: Before I got my results from my doctor I looked into the Paleo diet too. I liked that it seemed to be heavy on meat but then once I was told my testosterone levels were too high and a natural way to remedy that was to cut out meat, that dream faded away lol It sounds like you're doing so far :) I'm a dairy addict so you're much stronger than I to be able to cut it out of your diet.
Becoming pregnant with my daughter was such a fluke that doctors often turn their heads sideways when I tell them the story of how I found out. We were trying, but not really; I had an appointment to see a doctor and talk about fertility options and then it just happened. My advice is to just stop stressing about it and have LOTS of sex lol It's amazing the power that the mind has over the body. Good luck!

SQUIDARTPARTY: Tomorrow (Monday) I'm planning on calling an Endocrinologist to speak with them about my test results and see if there's anything else I can do. I know that elevated testosterone levels don't point to PCOS on their own, but the rest of my symptoms do. Like I said I have a very hard, long struggle with weight loss and in addition to that if I am not on birth control my periods happen anywhere from every 3 months to once every 6-9 months and they have never been even close to regular. In addition, they last anywhere from 2 weeks to 30 days. I also have stubborn hair in places that I shouldn't, battle with fatigue (not so much since cutting meat out of my diet), my hair falls out constantly and when it comes to my skin I feel like a new tag crops up way more often than it should, my daily cleansing/moisturizing routine may as well not even happen and there are no acne remedies that actually work for me.
The low glycemic diet I'm on essentially is a low carb/sugar/fat diet and it's not as hard as I thought it was going to be, but it's definitly not as easy as I hoped it would be either. I'm thankful that before being tested I already had some knowledge about simple vs complex carbs and the importance of protein and fiber and such. The thing I struggle with most is actually finding a variety of foods to eat. I've never been a big vegetable person and I'm very picky about fruits as well. I've always been a texture eater so if something is squishy or crunchy or gritty and I feel it shouldn't be, regardless of how it tastes, the texture overpowers everything and I find myself unable to eat it. Oh the suckyness of mind over matter! lol How long have you been on a vegan diet? Did you start seeing results right away? Before educating myself on it, I always saw a vegan diet as kind of a taboo thing, but that's because I was under the impression that people need animal product to be healthy, because that's what society says and what I've always been taught. The only thing keeping from a vegan diet is milk and cheese. I love cheese. I love cheese so much that I feel like it's one of the few things keeping me sane during this transition period from completely omnivorous to vegetarian/low-GI.

JULMUT: I'm very eager to speak with an Endocrinologist and after I do I'm thinking about going to a nutritionist as well, just to get as much out of eating low-glycemic and vegetarian as possible. Has eating a vegan diet helped with your high-testosterone symptoms at all?

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6/9/13 6:55 P

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yes, JULMUT!
I recently started reducing the amount of oil I use and it seems to be a very good thing for me.

Also just drinking more water has helped immensely with my skin problems from my PCOS. I drink usually 8-10 cups water a day...(you're actually supposed to drink more than 8 cups a day if you're over a certain weight...there's a formula somewhere that I saw for this).

I don't drink any drinks with sugar or fake sugar (fake sugar is actually worse for people with diabetes or insulin resistance and basically everyone anyhow) except a cup of juice probably like only a few times a month if that.

I have sugary sweets occasionally, but they are vegan, and usually on the less fattening side...I only really have 1-3 a week, but before I used to have something almost every day...and the difference between then and now is amazing, if I suddenly had something with way more sugar in it than I'm used to I would probably think it to be gross...I've essentially weened myself.



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6/9/13 1:30 P

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SQUIDARTPARTY is very much on the same page as me. I would definitely see an endocrinologist. I did not get proper and effective treatment until I did. An endo should also be able to confirm the diagnosis which is important. It seems that there is no cookie cutter... everyone is very different. I do not have high testosterone, but I have the symptoms of high testosterone because the receptors in my body don't process it properly. So there really can be a lot going on and I think its worth going to the specialist and getting it figured out so that you can get treatment for your unique situation.

I also eat vegan for the most part. I try to focus on eating as many whole foods as possible, whole vegetables, whole fruits and whole grains. Almost no dairy, not even eggs. Almost no meat or fish (maybe on occasion if I'm out and have no other option). I also try to use as little oil as possible.


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6/8/13 8:05 P

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I'd see an endocrinologist if you can, not just your regular doctor or gynecologist. I don't think elevated testosterone levels are enough to be diagnosed with pcos.

Also, when you did the insulin resistance test, did they make you fast, take some blood, and then drink a sugary drink, and then wait, and then take more blood? If not you didn't have an insulin resistance test, you just had your blood sugar levels checked to test for diabetes. These two tests are different, and often people with PCOS will have one but not the other.

I don't have diabetes (but my blood sugar is slightly elevated) and my insulin resistance was also slightly elevated, but neither were enough to cause alarm or need medications.

The best dietary thing to do is to cut out sugars and reduce carbs (don't cut the fruit though! You might get deficiencies if you do and there are more health benefits of fruit that outweigh the carb factor of fruit...just choose fruits that don't have as much sugar as others if you want to be careful).

I eat a vegan diet and it really helps me a lot, but I'm not very pushy about it. I wouldn't be like "oh it'll work for you too" because I don't know, and everyone has different personal and dietary needs. I also have high blood pressure and high cholesterol runs in my family so it's a good choice dietary for me. (I also love animals and feel it's helping them and their environment).



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6/7/13 7:06 P

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I haven't read a lot about the Paleo diet, but I have a friend that is doing it so I know a little from what she's told me. I think it's similar except with Dukan you can still have dairy but no fruit due to the sugar/carbs? Check out the recipes on www.dukanitout.com... the girl that writes the blog on that site is amazing! All the recipes are pretty much lean protein and some veggies. You can search by meal or type of protein and I almost think that you would be able to eat a lot of what she makes? Plus they are all super filling. Hope this helps, starving has to be the worst part of following an eating plan! :o(

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6/7/13 12:42 P

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I struggle daily trying to lose weight. I feel like I'm starving half the time to get the weight off.
My doctor suggested Paleo for me to eat. He wants me to cut out dairy and processed foods, refined carbs.
Basically lean protein, veggies and fruit only.
I'm trying and I've got most of the diary out of my diet. It's a little harder with the other stuff, but I'm getting there.
It's a struggle every day, and I only keep pushing myself because I am 33 and I still want a chance to be a mom, just one child is all I ask, so I keep pushing before my time runs out.


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6/7/13 12:22 P

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Hi there!

First of all let me commend you for your hard work and the 33 lbs you have lost. Way to go! That is not easy and you have stuck with it!

Your post totally hit home to me. I was diagnosed with PCOS several years ago and have had an ongoing struggle with weight loss since that time. I will find something that seems to work for a short while, but the weight seems to creep back on... or I “fall off the bandwagon” and regain it.

Anyways, I’m definitely not a PCOS expert but I’m in healthcare as well as having PCOS myself so thought maybe I could help a little. I would be leary to cut meat out of my diet completely. I think there were some very old studies showing that one group who ate only red meat had higher testosterone levels than groups who ate a vegetarian diet. If you’re wanting to go that way maybe just lean towards chicken, pork, fish? ie leaner meats rather than red meat? As for the Insulin. I would be really surprised if the test was wrong. You said you had nothing but water the morning you went in, which is absolutely ok. Even though the test came back fine I wonder if there could still be some insulin resistance going on after meals which is very common with PCOS? Meaning that your body just isn’t as effective at lowering blood sugars, allowing your glucose to raise higher than it should be?

My doctor recommended a diet called the dukan diet for me. It’s a 4 phase diet that starts out with an attack phase of all protein and dairy plus 1.5 L water, then adds in vegetables for the cruise phase. The number of days of your attack phase depends on how much weight you want to lose. Here is a website that you can calculate that information: http://www.dukandiet.com/ There are basic lists of foods that you follow for the first 2 phases, here is a list of the “approved foods” for those phases. http://www.dietreviewsdigest.com/dukan-die
t/dukan-diet-food-list/. Then you slowly start to add in whole grains and fruits for the last 2 phases when you hit your goal weight and start to maintain. It actually really worked for me until I started accepting dinner invites and straying from the “food list” too much. You don’t have to weigh or measure food or count calories. I also use this website for recipes and everything I’ve made from here has actually been pretty good and easy... http://dukanitout.com/. As long as you follow the list you can eat as much as you like until you are full. I also found some message boards that had some info on here about dukan, I’m starting it again and rejoined spark people more for support than the diet info.

If you don’t think this type of diet is for you no worries, just thought I would throw it out there since it was the only thing that seemed to take the weight off for me! :o)

Feel free to message me or add me if you need anything else. Hope this at least helps a little! Hang in there, you’re doing an amazing job! :o)

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Hello ladies!

Let me know if this sounds right.

I was diagnosed with PCOS a few days ago after having a full blood panel and an ultrasound. My doctor said that the only thing that came back that's a problem are my testosterone levels--they're too high. My ovaries look fine, uterus looks fine, everything else, even my insulin levels and thyroid are fine. HOWEVER, I have the absolute hardest time losing even an ounce. I exercise 6 days a week, eat well, split my workouts into cardio and strength training alternating days. I don't eat junk or drink anything but water, milk and my daily protein shake which is made with soy milk for the increased calcium. I eat plenty of calories (1400-1600/daily) and get a decent amount of sleep. Since last July I've lost a total of about 33 lbs, but through me busting my ass constantly. Since March I haven't lost anything. I've actually gained 4 lbs and I have no idea how. To me it sounds like my insulin test is wrong. I mean I went in first thing in the morning before eating or drinking anything other than water (which I was told was OK). As far as I can tell, higher than normal testosterone levels don't interfere with weight loss or cause weight gain, so I'm at a loss.
I read that cutting meat out of my diet will lower my testosterone levels back into a normal range so I've done that and in addition I've switched to a low-GI diet. Does this sound at all familiar or correct to anyone?? I feel like since I struggle SOOO badly with losing weight, that should mean that there's some insulin resistance going on, right?

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