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1/14/11 4:04 A

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Soy is nasty stuff. I have avoided it for a very long time. My cousin had breast cancer many years ago and her doctor said to avoid anything with soy in it.

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12/14/10 10:48 P

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What I really hate about this is that Japanese food is my favorite. Soy is in almost everything.

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Interesting read b/c I am a vegan. I try to just eat a little tofu here and there and focus on beans, grains, fruits, and veggies. I am also torn like other people said as well b/c there are conflicting studies about soy. emoticon

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12/13/10 11:40 P

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I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but when I drink soy milk, there is a noticable difference in the hair growth on my face - it is slower and I don't have as much at the end of the day after shaving in the morning. Also, I have had success in drinking soy milk and getting a period. My hormones are definitely off - I had my tubes tied and a cyst removed from an ovary and was having menopause-style hot flashes at 31! Drinking the soy milk definitely helped with that. I'm not lactose intolerant, and I just drink a glass a day, sometimes two. Again, I don't know about anyone else, but that's my two cents for the day! :) Good luck to everyone!

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12/12/10 11:10 P

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An important factor to keep in mind regarding soy is that different components of soy will act in different ways. It is the soy proteins which contain the isoflavones genistein and daidzein which inhibit thyroid peroxidase-catalyzed reactions essential to thyroid hormone synthesis. The fatty components of soy such as soy lecithin don't contain these. In fact soy lecithin contains d-chiro-inositol, which is very helpful to women with PCOS.

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12/8/10 11:29 P

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I've read a lot of conflicting research about soy. Either it's good because it reduces breast cancer risk, but it's bad because of the phytoestrogens.
It is also apparently suppose to reduce testosterone in the body, but that wasn't a PCOS specific observation.

*sigh*

I hate PCOS.

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9/17/07 2:01 A

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I had also heard to avoid soy with PCOS, but I found girseach's information interesting. That being said, I tend to avoid soy as best I can because of what I heard,but I think these days it's hard to avoid all soy as it is in everything.

I also had heard that the problem of having too much soy is an issue in America because when the whole "soy is healthy" thing started, it was fine, but we American's tend to overdo when something like that comes up and tend to consume WAY more soy than an Asian diet would incorporate. Soy milk, soy yogurt, soy lattes, soy suppliments, soy protein, etc. Once again we are overdoing it.

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9/10/07 4:46 P

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interesting girseach...
yes, if you find anything please post:)

I find it hard to avoid soy because I am lactose intolerant and a semi-vegetarian (I eat fish often and chicken every once in a while)...

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9/10/07 4:14 P

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I think the jury is still out - so-to-speak - on PCO and soy. As a lactose intolerant PCO'er, I'd be hard pressed to do without it.

There are two (general) schools of thought as I understand it-

Anti-soy folks think that, since soy is a phytoestrogen (estrogen-like substance), it is bad for women w/ PCO because estrogen causes many of our symptoms and soy mimics estrogen.

The ProSoy folks (for both PCO and breast cancers etc) state that because soy is a phytoestrogen, but not actual estrogen - it binds to estrogen receptor sites, but doesn't trigger the same response that actual estrogen would (sort of like a key that fits into a lock, but can't actually unlock the door). In this way, by competing with estrogen, which is abnormally high in PCO - soy actually decreases the activity of the estrogen in the body.

This is a topic of interest to breast cancer survivors as well. I'll keep my eyes peeled for any new research.

Meanwhile - go team PCOS!



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9/10/07 2:21 P

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that is true cindy, what is too much?

I might just curb a bit of my soy until I talk to the doc. I might just test it and see what happens with more or less soy.

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9/10/07 2:04 P

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And here I am trying to come up with ways to put more into our diet.. LOL

I have maybe 1.5 cups of soy milk a day. I have had the soy yogurt while it's ok and I get it once in a while I usually go with regular since Corey eats it too. I have tried tofu in a few things and it passed the guy test in the spaghetti it didn't in the curry so I haven't tried again with it.

There was someone on another board that wouldn't give anything soy to her son because of the estrogen link but I think you would have to be consuming a LOT of soy for it to make a difference. I mean a lot of people in Japan, Korea and China use tofu and other soy products and they have less health issues in some things then we do here.

Everything is just SOOO darn confusing and what they once said is now something else..

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9/10/07 1:13 P

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well I haven't been having that much soy milk, just a bit with my coffee in the morning as a substitute for cream/milk. I can have regular milk for that and won't feel the consequences.
I am not THAT BAD in my lactose intolerance, thankfully. i can have regular ice cream and it won't be too bad, I never liked the soy ice cream anyway.

i do eat a lot of tofu and meat replacement products that have soy. that is what I am mostly bummed about. I have to look at what I have in my kitchen and start taking stock. what can I and what can't I eat. some veggie burgers, for example, seem to be mostly veggies instead of soy.

oh well....I will live, I will have to be more creative! or just eat more meat (yuck)

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9/10/07 1:05 P

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Bummer!!!

But how much soy are we talking about? One cup of soy milk a day? Or all milk products have been by replaced by the soy versions, like yogurt, cheese, milk and tofu too?


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9/9/07 6:58 P

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thanks ladies...
I am going to talk to my doctor when I go in january!!!

I am starting a list....

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9/8/07 5:16 P

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I'm allergic to soy, so I avoid it by a matter of course

but I was also told by the leading PCOS clinic in my country to stay away from soy as much as possible, mostly because they said I didn't need the extra estergin that it made my body produce or think it had (that was till they learned i was allergic to the stuff then they just said "lucky you").

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9/8/07 4:38 P

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Nat - this just gives me another reason to be glad that I quit LA weight loss. Those stupid LA lites that I had to eat every day (TWO of them a day) were just loaded with soy...It really is a wonder I lost anything at all...

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I found this by googling PCOS and soy and estrogen.

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.ph
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so it increase estrogen but what happens in PCOS is that the extra estrogen turns into testosterone.

so interesting. I am sad, I must say, I LIKE soy products!

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I'm pretty sure that I read in the Natural Diet Solution for PCOS to avoid soy products. You might check www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com and research on there.

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I've read in a book recently about Soy.. a British study published in 2000 about the levels of estrogen in Soy food. It has shown to cause birth defect in boy babies in specific because of the high levels of estrogen.

also, soy can cause faster tumor groth in women who already have breast cancer.

it also could cause thyroid dysfunction [which honestly is the last thing you need if you are trying to lose weight].

I used to drink it as an alternative to regular milk because I'm lactose intolerant too, but since I've gone low-carb I never had it..

You should see what your doctor says and consider doing a bit of research on the pros and cons of soy.





 
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Hello everyone,

I have a question for y'all. I have a friend who just commented asked me as I was pouring my soy milk on my cereal if I have talked to my doctor about the soy milk and other soy products I consume.

He was asking because of the possible effects on soy products on estrogen levels. as he said this, I was thinking that the natural alternatives to menopause all use estrogen. I think the point of those medicines is to increase estrogen levels.

anyway, I was asking to see if anyone has heard about a link, should we with PCOS stay away from soy? increase soy? what would you all think? I am going to ask my doctor, but I don't have a doctor appointment until january (!!!) and she is a new doctor, so I can't just call. she is a PCOS specialist, so I am exited about that.

oh and I drink soy milk as an alternative to regular milk because I am lactose intolerant. I also don't eat a lot of meat, so I eat tofu often as a replacement. I can easily change those things...that isn't my worry.

THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!

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