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I.M.MAGIC's Photo I.M.MAGIC Posts: 12,820
7/25/12 1:43 A

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Yes, you can overdose on water--but it's pretty rare. I have CKD (aka CRD or Chronic Kidney or Renal Disease) and I average between 9 and 16 glasses (8oz) a day, depending on circumstances.

It might be too much for you... or not enough. Your water needs depend on your metabolism, your size, your activity level, your health, external weather...

Any of the lifestyle changes we mention here are easier if taken in little steps. It's great that we're eager to get going, and motivated... but it's also true that it's easier to build in consistency if you don't try to cram too many things in all at once...LOL

I have peripheral neuropathy too, and found physical therapy with a therapist specializing in brain and nerve injuries to be extremely helpful in improving my gait etc. I don't know that the nerve can be regenerated, that is still being debated--but therapy CAN make it easier to deal with! LOL

Welcome aboard!
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7/24/12 7:35 P

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Hiya maddie,
I got cramps from drinking too much water and eating alot of nuts in a short period.. as i was not used to drinking water, nor eating nuts in that period.. I was too enthousiastic when i bumped into this SP site.. i had been trying to get ontrack with a dietricien for 3 years with no avail so i got over excited, wanted to do too good too quickly..
There was a documentary on bbc the other evening stating the possibility of overdosing on water and dying from it.. It has happened.. so i kindof felt relieved when i watched that & thought maybe the cramps were my blessing then...
Iwas stating that if your not used to drinking water dont go overbord like me..take it slow & steady with the change..
I used to get cramps and funny numbness in my feet and sometimes painfull not being able to walk properly..
That was the beginning of high bs, at the time i didnot know about diabetes.. my doc had told me i was pre diabetic but didnot emphasize the severness of this desease.. ( i had no meter and was not told that it was important to test. only that i should come ever so often to the surgery in the morning to do a bs test... So i didnot know that that was from my high bs.. i have learnt here on SP and Mayo clinic and DR bernstein.. all of them i found here on SP or through members...i have nerve damage now am not sure if it can be reversed....
i think when you start getting your bs more in control & eat more or less what SP advice in the beginning with the calorie, fat, protein and carbs the cramps will go away ..I havent had them in a long time now....
when i told my doc about it he said that it was bad circulation and kindof shrugged it off.. at that time i was still not on med's... so the desease had a few years free with me... huuuhh...
But now on metformine and found SP met wonderfull people and enjoy everyday now even if my bs goes high i feel safe and content and am learning each day new things new ways & to prepare food etc etc etc ....
Diabetescare.net is also usefull info on diabetes..you could take a look;.... there is a lady talking first when she finishes schroll down and look around there is a load of info ...
or mayo clinic but i started discovering on this one first...
Hope this helps some..
Good luck Tisha

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JIMJENMILLER Posts: 88
7/24/12 6:11 P

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Cramps in your feet or anywhere in your muscles could indicate your potassium is low. Sounds like you drink about the right amount of water. A little extra can't hurt but don't go overboard. See if eating potassium rich fruits and veggies or taking a supplement helps with that.

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STARDUST_1970's Photo STARDUST_1970 Posts: 203
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Thank you all so much for the great advice. I will try the bread suggested. I had no idea that spark food log would give me a grocery list. WOW, that will help me so much. Now i will be cutting a lot of the processed stuff since i can do a weeks worth of meals and get a grocery list for the week. I also got a paper from the dietitian on foods to always have on hand. You all have been so very helpful.
There is one concern that i have. Someone said something about cramping from too much water. I was wondering what type of cramping. I drink a lot of water (some days not as much). I use 32 ounce bpa free water bottles and drink at least two a day sometimes more. I get cramps in my feet that are horrific and my doctor says i don't drink enough water. I don't get that cause i don't drink pop and i drink at least 64 oz water a day.

Thank you all so much for the great advice. I will be putting it all into my plan.

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VALERIE1619's Photo VALERIE1619 Posts: 949
7/24/12 12:45 P

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I keep posting this link on various forums because I've watched it work. My husband is a type 2 and had gained weight due to oral meds and stress eating. When I started losing weight last year, he decided to take action. He's lost 50 pounds so far (he opted for insulin instead of oral meds just before starting), and his labs are perfect.

Here's what he's doing, which is easy to follow:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/04/22/wei
ght.loss.anita.mills/index.html

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WITHERBEELINDA Posts: 1,125
7/24/12 12:22 P

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cinnamon caps really help keep bs in line. I also go to a local farmers market and get really good deals on fresh vegs and fruit and if you have a friend to go with you than you could split the cost. Walmart also price matches many items. I check the box for carbs and sugars along with fats. I do at least 30-40 min of exercise a day and keep my carbs under 50 a meal.

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7/24/12 7:27 A

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Good Morning, I haven't read all of the post so sorry in advance if I'm duplicating.
First, I make a plan for the week, make my grocery list and then stick the plan on the frig.
I eat 6 small meals per day and spread my carbs over those 6 meals.
It's not only eating but exercising and drinking water.
Here is a link to the...
SparkPeople 8-Week Diabetes Weight Loss Challenge
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Here's the intro to the team...

Take Control of Your Weight and Your Diabetes!

If you've been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes or pre-diabetes, then you know how changes to your eating and exercise habits can help you lose weight and manage your condition. SparkPeople believes that making small changes in these areas can have a big impact on your health. That's why we developed this challenge, created specifically for people with diabetes.

By reading the articles here and joining the 8-Week Diabetes Weight Loss Challenge, you'll learn how to incorporate proven workouts, better eating habits, and simple diabetes-management techniques into your daily life so that you can lose extra pounds and stay motivated to stick with a new healthy lifestyle for the long haul!

This is a Great way to get started !!!!
Hope this helps.

Patti / NE Ohio
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Even if you are on the right track, you’ll get run over if you just sit there.



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7/24/12 5:30 A

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Hiya Maddie,
well I agree with all the advice given you here.. when i started in feb this year i also was ina rut on how to cope, having to live on 500 euro a month and my bills to pay rent ,electric,water, tv, pc,etc all are above 600 euro.. so you can imagine...
I had A1c between 7 and 11a few years ago, but didnot realize that the silent desease diabetes was doing nerve damage.. So i have damaged done on a lower BS level.. but only realised it recently through reading the info from SP and Mayo Clinic
It started (before the itch the itch was an indication).started with an itch under my foot and when i went to the doc he gave me cream for athletes foot etc.. so i had it a long time I felt really normal otherwise and there was nothing to see,.. but inside my body changes were going on...So be carefull diabetes is a dangerous desease..

What i did first is i started the video's from coach nicole here on SP.. Made space in my bedroom infront of the pc...I went through a few each day until i found the routine which made me sweat.. then i knew i was on my way...
And if i do a big clean in my house thats also a lot of activity..1 day i lost 1 whole pound doing big clean hahaha..
if 1 day you dont get chance to exercise or whatever walk up and down the stairs a few times thats what i do,...

I also as Magic & crazydog adviced drunk water each day.. but i got too fanatic after 5 weeks and drank too much!!! Got severe cramps and was adviced to drink warm water from my doc ..Yukk....
So the drinking water does help because when i could not drink it i saw & felt the difference so do drink start with 4 or 5 a day and each day alittle bit more but dont go over the 8 if your not used to drinking water..
I now drink normally again but i dont go over 8 anymore hahaha...
another thing i started is i bought mixed nuts and each day had a few..( you can track all types of vitamins on the tracker and i found some nuts have many minerals & vit's that other food dont have) then each month i would go to the health store and see what i could buy tohelp with my life changing.. not only the healthy store some supermarkets have a healthy food section aswell.. but read all the ingredients.. the mail you get from SP gives alot of information on what to look for and the meaning of ingredients...

I eat also about 6 times a day all small portions 3 of them are like snacks or healthy treats..
I also look at low carb recipe's and look what i have in the pantry and try to make with what i have..The recipe's from SP on the tracker were a bit expensive or unavailable for me so i tracked my own food under it and at the end of the day clicked on report and got good advice on what i was overdoing or got advice on what to add or leave out.. I nearly never ate enough calories or protein or even fat.. so when i tried to reach these goals i saw a big change in the way i feel and i started losing weight aswell... so look what you have in your pantry and create with what you have.. thats what i did.. i've now nearly eaten out all my old foods( but i always ate pretty healthy, i dont have fast or junk food so to change from healthy to another healthy is crazy so to speak) I always have a lot of veggies and fruit.. but now i eat fruit or try to with a little protein either a piece or sandwich meat or peanut butter or walnuts etc... I also eat nearly everyday yogurt, i make smoothies with nuts & berries and just experiment .. but often for my late evening snack i have yogurt with berries & a few walnuts, or a spoon of peanut butter..I forgot last night and my bs was high this morning...
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Lately I have started adding vitamin supplements luckily i had bought last year at a sale in my chemist and they are diabetic friendly... Just to get the vit D and B vitamins..
As Magic and everyone says you are in a good place and will get advice, support and make friends aswell.. Just ask..when you have a question or need help..

Lots of luck & success Tisha

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7/24/12 12:18 A

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I have to agree with all the advice here... I eat six mini-meals a day, never more than 30 carbs at a time if I can help it. Sometimes eating out is guesswork, but an educated guess is better than just taking anything for granted.

There is something else that I don't remember anyone mentioning... that is PHYSICAL ACTIVITY.

I've decided I don't like the word "exercise" anymore! LOL The more things I do that have me up and moving ( it doesn't HAVE to be "exercise"...), the better my numbers look. I walk, I sing, I dance, I shop, I do housework... and since I'm also disabled, with a multitude of medical issues, I have physical therapy workouts that I do four days a week, so yes, there IS "exercise"... and while I do have to say that they aren't as much fun as the other things-- I sure miss it when I DON'T do them! LOL

...(excuse the expression) it will feel like you have "a lot on your plate" at first... but it isn't rocket science and at the end of the day, you'll be better off... and you're going to feel better too!

I too have major budget constraints, so I get where you're coming from...

Start with the water (at LEAST 8 glasses) and the physical activity. They don't cost anything but the time to do them... and maybe a few extra trips to the ladies' room... LOL

Then move on to the next grocery trip. Do plan ahead. If you sit down with the tracker and work out a week's worth of menus ahead of time, the SP program will provide you with a grocery list. You have the option of copying any successful meal to another day, and you can do a whole month if you really like, but I use the ads that come out at the beginning of each week, and plan the sales into my menu...

Ask if you can't figure out how, any of us will gladly walk you through it--we're all here to help one another!

Do skip the processed foods. Do buy more fruits and veggies... Do include proteins WITH EVERY MEAL AND SNACK... and it may be worth investing in some good containers for shelf, refrigerator and freezer so you can buy at the beginning of the month and store up what you can't use right away. And be sure to set aside a poriton of your budget for fresh produce each week...

You're in a good place here...

Welcome aboard!

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Edited by: I.M.MAGIC at: 7/24/2012 (00:20)
"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

Life comes in specific increments, which we receive as a gift of one moment at a time. That's why it's called t


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7/23/12 11:54 P

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Being on a strict budget can make things hard. Which of course means buying those extra strips tough to do unless you can get the doc to prescribe them. If need be go to the website americandiabeteswholesale.com great prices and very low shipping. And yes drink that water. Good luck. God Bless.

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the diabetic counselor is / should be a first...

you've gotten good advice...

the only thing i didn't see was YOU MUST DRINK YOUR WATER

and an 'amen' to don't worry about using more test strips while you are learning your own spikes...it will be worth the expense to get things in check...

and i didn't see any mention about the resources/recipes here at SPARK...and there are a variety of extra input available right here...

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I'm finding dried beans, then soaked and cooked are good cheep protein. I try and limit my bread product to one a day, with oatmeal usually winning.. It's cheap, too. Fruit in season helps the budget, as does the veggies that are abundant. Don't go for expensive packaging, break bulk items down yourself.

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Val has offered you most of the same advice I'd have given you, but the other thing I would add is this. As far as cost goes, over the long haul things even out. In other words, what you think you're saving on eating prepackaged, processed foods, you are spending on Dr. visits/treatments. I had to really get that through my head when I started on this journey 2 yrs. ago.

You can't cheat your body on the type of food it needs.

Have you seen a diabetic educator? Might be worth a try.



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OK, some tough love here!

First of all, it is crucial that you take control of your diabetes so you can be around for a long time to come. My bro-in-law (who's at a healthy weight, eats low carb and exercises regularly, but was in serious denial of his type 2 for 10 years) had a stroke recently. He'll recover but the doctors told him this MUST be his wake up call.

I looked at just a couple days of food logs and I can tell you this: for the money you're spending on convenience foods (instant oatmeal, breads, pre-packaged yogurt, etc.), you would do yourself a world of good to try low carb eating. I know a lot of people believe low carb is expensive but they're thinking bacon and steak all the time.

If you Google "low carb on a budget" or "low carb on a tight budget" you'll come up with tons of hits; I did it. You need to realize that DIABETES IS A CARBOHYDRATE-INTOLERANCE DISEASE. When you eat carbs, you're elevating your already-high blood sugar and putting yourself in a dangerous situation.

If you truly want to lower that A1C--and do it quickly--you'll give low carb a serious try. Medication alone isn't going to help your numbers; your diet has to be more diabetic-friendly.

Think protein with each meal (which will help you stay satisfied till the next meal), and lots of veggies. Don't worry about your fat intake: use real salad dressing and some butter on your veggies. Buy things like chicken drumsticks and cook a bunch to have on hand. Eggs are great protein and cheap. Home made food, consisting of various proteins and veggies will actually save you money when it comes to your groceries and also for health-related expenses.

Try this for just 30 days; Google "low carb for diabetics" or get your hands on Gary Taubes "Why We Get Fat" or Richard K. Bernstein M.D.'s "Diabetes Solution." If you truly want to see your numbers come into line and weight drop off, you'll give yourself the gift of trying a new approach for 30 days.

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Hi! I was looking at your tracker as well and notice you are having bread a lot. Next shopping trip look for Sara Lee Delightful bread - they have multi-grain and one with honey, both only 90 calories for 2 slices and just 14 net grams carbs. Also, I use Mission Tortillas carb balance with just 5 net grams of carbs per tortilla instead of bread a lot. I limit my carbs to no more than 45 grams for breakfast and lunch and around 30 grams at dinner. I also have a couple of snacks during the day of about 15-20 grams each. I found that dinner carbs make my bedtime reading go high. You can do this!!! Don't get discouraged :)
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Hi,

I'm a well controlled diabetic with a bit of spunk left in my pancreas and after a quick look at your food log for the last couple of days, I can tell you that I could not eat much of that without some serious blood sugar problems.

That said, what you can and can't eat can be easily determined by using your blood glucose meter. Each of us reacts differently to food, so what I can or can't eat might only make a loose guideline.

You need to decide what your blood sugar goals are. One possible goal is to never go above 140. You may not be able to get there for a while, but it is possible. The reason I picked 140 is there is a lot of research that indicates damages is starting to occur above 140.

What I would suggest is get ready to use a bunch of strips to get things under control.

Take your blood sugar before trying a food. Eat that food and then test at 1 hour, 2 hours, ... until your blood sugar comes back down to where it was before you started.

You will likely see that things like bread and pasta shoot you way out of your goal range.

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Hi everyone. I have been absent from Spark People for some times now. I am back and in need of some very serious support. I went for my 3 month diabetic check and the numbers were alarming. My A1c is 11.5. I am lucky enough that i am not having any medical problems from this yet but I am struggling with keeping it in line. I am using the tracker everyday and even when i mess up i am adding stuff (which is something i never did, i would just give up normally). I have trouble with grocery shopping and figuring out what i need. I guess my biggest problem is with the cost of making my kitchen diabetic friendly. I am on a serious budget which keeps me from just throwing everything out and starting over. I need help. I don't know where to start. I have made my food log available so if anyone wants to take a look. I am working on carbs right now not worrying too much about the calories. My main concern is getting my diabetic numbers under control then i will worry about losing weight.
I want to be healthy so bad, i just don't know where to start. I have such a hard time coming up with recipes and getting the stuff needed on a month to month basis. I live month to month and have to worry about what i buy for healthy recipes to last a whole month or else i am out of food till the next month. Any help is greatly appreciated.




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