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Just listen to your own body and test yout Blood sugar and log it.
I know where I stand on this subject and I know my reactions well.I am only a self proclaimed expert on my own body everyone should strive for that.
My A1c is 5.7 and my weight is going down slowly without the help of anything other than abstinence and reduced sugar in my cooking. I cook the vast majority of our meals from scratch so it is easy to know what I eat.
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It depends on which "experts" you cite. Generally doctors and nutritionists will warn you that raw sugar and honey can dangerously elevate your blood glucose levels without careful control-whereas the artificial sweeteners that are on the market are generally safe for most people without special conditions such as Phenylketonuria. Whereas self proclaimed experts and conspiracy theorists will lead you to believe that artificial sweeteners are poison.

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I got rid of the Honey and today I am awake. Coffee is the only thing I use sweetener in so I guess I will have to use artificial sweetener unless I want to sleep all day or give up coffee I just can't do it without sweetner. Maybe I will try just one more time with just cream and weaker coffee

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So glad for all the info and comments on artificial sweeteners. Their are so many these days to choose from. Now even some say to be healthy they say just use raw sugar. But isn't that just as bad? I read in the " Makers Diet" by Jonathan Rubin that its just better to use honey to sweeten anything. What do the experts say?

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8/31/10 9:34 P

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I avoid all artificial sweeteners. I personally have my problem with Splenda aka Sucralose. it gives me a bad headache and upsets my stomach I watched our diabetic son crave diet green tea, he thought it was good for him. I read about eating empty calories making you crave. He is a chemical engineer and he said Mom that does make sense. Yor tongue tastes sugar but being non nutritive your brain does not get the message so it makes you want more sweet because your brain runs on carbs, so it is a vicous circle on the artificial merry go round. Once he cut back on diet drinks he did go to water and noe he is managing his cravings when he has them but they are less often.
I tried Arnold thins since they took out the HFCS reducing the carbs. They tasted great but I felt ill and read the label Sucralose in the ingredient list I called and told them they shoulg have that in big letters SPLENDA on the front and I would never have bought them.I t5ook to eating them during ourvtrips but i know I have to back of using them for good.
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Let me see, what do I remember about my early days as a diabetic...?

Hm. LOL

The stuff that ends in -ol (ie Sorbitol, Maltilol, sucralol, etc) are usually sugar alcohols, and the vote's still out on the results of long term use. They do often cause stomach upset or diarhea though... never a terrific experience...

Dextrose is not an artificial sugar, it IS sugar! LOL Most of the time, I use dextrose tablets when my blood glucose levels crash, and it brings my levels back to normal just as well as glucose tablets or gels do. They are found in the same aisle and usually on the same shelf at the stores... and the cost is about the same, too.

Maltose is malt sugar, just about anything with the -ose ending is sugar too. Same basic idea-- though I don't THINK the others come in tablets...LOL

I have CKD (aka chronic kidney disease) and artificial sweeteners are a definite NO-NO. Not only are they very hard for my kidneys to process--and just incidently for yours too!-- they trigger my worst fibromyalgia symptoms...
emoticon not something I contemplate with any degree of pleasure, believe me! LOL

Whenever I NEED to sweeten something, I use fruit, fruit juice, or real sugar. Yep. REAL SUGAR. Only when there is no choice but to sweeten-- and then it's like any other food, I have to count the carbs...!

Whether it's sweeteners, fats, whatever, if it's anything artificial, anything that says 'diet' or 'fat-free' or 'sugar free', I won't even pick it up, I stay away from it. Period.

Otherwise, I've gotten to the point where I just do a quick scan of the ingredients to see the amount of preservatives and if there's anything I'm allergic to-- but I DO read the nutrition lines thoroughly and look at the total carbs and sugars, the sodium and potassium levels, etc.

Thing is, for the most part, I'm better off staying away from sweets altogether, using moderate amounts of fruit only; if I stay away from the sweet sugary stuff, the cravings for it GO AWAY! Isn't that WONDERFUL! It does take a while, though... and then there will be a wedding or a birthday party or a holiday, with all those lovely goodies...hm. emoticon

Just like folks without diabetes, I have to weigh the fleeting pleasure against whether it's worth having to start over...

Back to square one, anybody? LOL

I guess it boils down to choices again. We're all different, we all have our own chemical makeup and tolerances vary all over the place-- what works for me may not for you, and we're the ones who have to live with the resulting consequences of whatever we choose... good or not.

So here we are... choices again!

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Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

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thanks for the info I think I will go back to splenda in my coffee. Just leave the sweetener out of everything else. I don't drink much of anything except coffee and water. Oatmeal is fine without sweetener and I have given up cereal for breakfast. I am lactose intolerant and sugar alcohols send me to the little room.

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Nell, I agree with you. I do not completely stay away from artificial sweeteners. I prefer the stevia for my tea and sometimes with lemon water. Cooking some things I find Splenda better for. I cannot stand pre-sweetened products most of the time, but it is because they use too much of the sweetener for my taste and then I get an aftertaste that lasts forever. I haven't figured out how they use aspartame to make pies and such yet, though, since it isn't heat stable.

I have known people who have bad side effects from artificial sweeteners and have known quite a few who haven't ever had any reaction to them (I don't have bad reactions to them). I am not pushing the stevia over others, just mentioned it as an alternative, especially when someone doesn't want artificial. None of my doctors have had any problem with it.

I just think whatever works best for those who need something that won't spike their BG is what they should use.

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8/30/10 7:32 P

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A lot of people have strong opinions about using artificial anything, especially sweeteners. For those trying to lose weight, they can be a help by eliminating a segment of calories, but for diabetics, you can't just lift a few more weights to "work it off".

My husband's father died of diabetes back when there was no testing, no artificial much of anything. (He had to taste his urine!) I am exceedingly grateful to have sweetening that doesn't affect my sugar. I am pre-diabetic (hubby is type 2) and it would just be too hard to manage blood sugar without the help of non-nutritive sweeteners. Some people have problems with one or another, but I have been fortunate to be able to tolerate all of them well.

I'd rather be able to eat what I want, but I'm glad to have the choice.

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8/30/10 7:01 P

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Hi roxie, I know that Sucralose is the generic name of spenda. Dextrose is a sugar, notice the ose ending.... although sucralose uses it and that is one of the catch points it's sort of like lies in naming it.
I know maltodextrin has some sweetness to it, but it is more of a filler. Dextrose is too, it's not as sweet as sugar.

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I have seen the GRAS information. Sorry if I got that mixed up.

I don't necessarily figure the FDA is so great anyway. Look at the drugs they have approved that have turned out to cause heart problems (two were highly prescribed for diabetes and one a friend of mine was on and she had a heart attack). There are law suits all over the place about approved drugs. Stevia has been used in other countries for years.

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Hi Fancy... We get a that lot in the hospital. "But Stevia has been FDA approved!"

Actually, is hasn't. The feds gave one of those "generally recognized as safe" designations, which is something no doctor feels confident about to recommend to a patient. A GRAS letter is an FDA "hedge." We have pamphlets about that. Here's a link to explain what the FDA's "GRAS" letter is bit.ly/cBDilZ

It's too bad that the food lobby is so powerful and the gov't has its hands tied about these things. Food corporations also bribe, it's all about commercialism. Actually I haven't seen any disease reports about Stevia, but I just don't feel safe with anything not truly FDA approved. A GRAS letter isn't that.

Hope that link works!
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8/30/10 6:24 P

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Here are 2 Spark Articles about this subject...And you can get points for reading them....
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If you have IBS they will make you sit in that little room all day.

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I guess I'll stick to Splenda, but what does anyone know of the ingredients: dextrose, maltodextrin, and sucralose?

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Stevia was approved as a sweetener last year, I think (whenever Truvia came out), though I agree that Truvia isn't true stevia. It is mostly something like a sugar alcohol (I can't remember what the other sweetener is, but it is 90% of the Truvia). The stevia was approved prior to that as a food additive or nutritional additive, but not a sweetener. It has been sold in many stores for as long as it was approved as the food additive. I don't get the Truvia and Purvia because they are not pure stevia.

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8/30/10 5:33 P

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The best, safest sweetener is what doctors use, & that's Splenda (I work at Yale New Haven hospital.) There are baskets full of it at nurses stations and tons of it in the break rooms. Everyone is on a diet.

Agave is dangerous. It consists of 92% fructose which damages heart, liver and kidneys, causes arterial damage too. Agave also causes insulin resistance!

Someone mentioned sorbital or one of the "-ols." Those are sugar alcohols. They are still sugar and cause gastric distress, cramps, diarrhea etc in many people.

You asked the one question that I really, really know! Docs & nurses on the wards and in out-patient say questions about artificial sweeteners are the most asked by patients. Mostly staff tries to steer patients away from the dangerous ones, especially agave.

Oh, forgot... Stevia isn't FDA approved, and Truvia is processed Stevia. And honey is pure sugar. More quickly metabolized, in fact, than old table sugar because it's already in solution.

Hope this helps!


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They have been doing better. I still cannot get an appointment earlier than next month. I can see what I am typing on here though, and I couldn't when I asked about the retinopathy.

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THERE YOU ARE WHAT'S UP WITH THE EYES THIS WEEK??
THE LADY MARY

TODAY IS LIFE THIS IS NOT A DRESS REHEARSAL

there is no cause when there is no effect km

i can do that, but not on a tuesday
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I have been told not to use honey or Agave nectar, either one, though I do use the honey sometimes, like when I have a cough or sinus infection. For most sweetening things like drinks I use Sweet Leaf Liquid Stevia. You have to be careful not to use too much or you will get an aftertaste, but if you start out with a few drops and just add one at a time until you find out how much to get the right sweetness there isn't the aftertaste. In a cup of tea I use about 4 or 5 drops. Large iced tea is about 8 drops. It seems expensive because it is about $11 a bottle, but a bottle will last a LONG time (I got my last one in July 2009 and it is 2/3 full).

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use the honey and count the carbs i use sugar and count the carbs it's wonderful stuff and you don't have to worry about anything but cavities in your old age
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the lady mary

TODAY IS LIFE THIS IS NOT A DRESS REHEARSAL

there is no cause when there is no effect km

i can do that, but not on a tuesday
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last is just the slowest winner. c.hunter boyd

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I would love to know that answer to this. I cannot give up my sweet coffee either, but am trying. I tried it black a couple of weeks ago. Yah, that lasted one day!

I bought Agave Nectar but haven't tried it in coffee, I'm going to try that with my morning coffee tomorrow, thanks Joan.



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I would say as long as you count it in your daily carb, I should see nothing wrong. But and that could be a big but, I could also be wrong.
Have you tried Agave Nectar? Dr. Oz recommends this.
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I use xylitol which is an all natural product for sweetening and can also be used for cooking/baking. It has no aftertaste, no calories and is considered to be healthy (until "they" change their minds). LOL Good luck to you.

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I would suggest using splenda (sucralose)as I do. You really cannot believe all of the hype about artificial sweeteners being evil. Honey can be used when very restricted but does not do a good job sweetening coffee in my opinion-it likes to cling to the spoon even when the coffee is piping hot, and it takes a lot of it to really sweeten the coffee enough for my taste.

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Hi there. I use Ideal Sweetener. It's a natural plant based sweetener that is metabolized better than sugar. There is NO after taste...It's also recommended for diabetics.
I only use it in my coffee and avoid sweeteners in anything else. An acquired taste for sure...(eating anything without sugar)

I don't prefer other sweetners made from chemicals...

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I am concerned about eating too many artificial sweeteners. I know they cause other problems if you use too many so I am trying to leave them off as much as possible. Is it ok to use a small amount of honey to sweeten your coffee as long as it is counted in your total carb count. I do not want to give up my morning coffee. This seems to be the only sweet I can't seem to give up. I have learned to eat oatmeal and cereal without any sweetener.

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