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8/11/07 12:41 P

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I think maybe those of us who want to be "low carb" should instead use the term "controlled carb", to help differentiate ourselves from the people who don't understand what they're doing, and perhaps help other people understand we want to eat healthy carbs, just not tremendous amounts of them.

I do NOT do well with eating a high amount of carbs (200+) and really do feel best when the carbs are 100 or less (and I lose weight that way, I do not with more carbs, even if my calories are in range).

I also am extremely sugar sensitive and eating fruit just makes me completely mental and whacked out. I'm finding that if I follow the understanding and information by the low carb folks (like what Atkins and South Beach) teaches, and modify it to a vegetarian diet, I feel great and I lose weight.

But I'm definitely eating carbs! Absolutely! I just eat low carb sprouted wheat flax bread instead of some other kinds of breads. I eat tons of veggies. I try to find lower carb versions of protien sources, and pay attention to the higher glycemic index of foods. I'm drinking less soy milk and having more tofu and seitan.

For those of you who have cut your carbs and had problems, most people I know don't feel well when they dramatically cut their carbs, and if they DO want to have a controlled carb eating, they find it better if they slowly back their carbs down.

I felt miserable when I tried cutting from 200+ net carbs to the 20 Atkins recommends, but instead slowly dropped my net carbs and felt great. I started doing vegetarian again and my carbs went back up to 200 and I felt completely miserable. So now I'm backing them down to under 100, paying attention to the GI of foods, and I feel SO much better (and the 5 lbs I put on the last two weeks eating proper calories and "uncontrolled carbs" are finally starting to come off).

Carbs are necessary, but for some of us I think the TYPE of carb and the Glycemic Index of carbs makes a huge difference to our systems. I firmly believe that people can have a controlled carb lifestyle and be healthy.

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EVILWOMBATQUEEN Posts: 11
7/14/07 3:20 A

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I'm a vegan and I tried cutting down on my carbs to see how I'd fare for a week. End result: I was cranky, bloated, hated everything I had to eat and I'd gained a kilo!

Now I'm finding some success through food combining - keeping starchy carbohydrates and dense proteins (such as tofu and beans) separate. I'm not doing it to lose weight (though I have lost a little), I'm doing it to reduce gas! So far I've found it really works. I have whole grains and fruit for breakfast, whole grains and veggies for lunch then protein and veggies for dinner. No starches after 3pm. My tummy is flatter than it has been in years because it's not bloated. And there's no damage done by doing it (as far as I know - if you can think of anything please let me know!) By ensuring I get grains and proteins during the day, even at different times, it makes sure I get my complete proteins.

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7/13/07 9:06 A

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I have some health issues where my body does not process carbs correctly. I have to be careful about my carb intake. That said, carbohydrates are a very important part of our diets and are needed for a well balanced healthy life style...as every one here has already stated. I limit my processed sugar and white flour intake and try to eat mainly whole grain foods, soy and rice flour (in pastas and to bake/cook with when possible), use brown or wild grain rices etc in place of white rice and so on and so forth. I've also learned to balance what combinations I eat food in by recognizing that some foods, such as corn, are high in carbs but often over looked as a high carb food. I think for some people a lower carb intake can be a good and healthy option, but cutting out carbs completely is not healthy and as a vegetarian it is, for me anyway, impossible. good luck :)

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7/13/07 9:00 A

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aside to ach wie schön's post on my page

yes i'm sparking from germany, at the moment i'm living near magdeburg but normaly i'm from cologne!

 
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7/13/07 1:29 A

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It is possible to be vegetarian and eat low carb, and you won't wreck your health or kidneys if you do it properly.

Let me point out that by low carb I do NOT mean "no carb". That's simply unbalanced eating, and a bad idea.

When people think of "low carb", they picture someone eating a bacon double cheeseburger without the bun, drinking a diet soda, and eating a sugar-free candy bar. However a meal of broccoli & tofu stirfry, sparkling mineral water with lime, and a dessert of strawberries and orange sections is also a low carb meal.

Like someone else mentioned, cutting out refined carbs is essential. Nothing breaded, sugary, floured, sweetened, etc. That's the easy part.

What about whole grains and such? In limited quantities they're ok, but don't make them the mainstay of the meal. Instead, fill your plate up with extra vegetables (just not potatoes!), and maybe a little bit of brown rice or such.

Beans have lots of fiber, and black soybeans seem to have the least amount of starch.

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7/12/07 6:43 P

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aside to Thora-Huts::

well, technically speaking, I've got German roots, so I guess that makes me German, but I'm living and studying in Germany right now!

additional aside: where it's fairly easy to be vegetarian and fairly impossible to go low-carb!

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If you do a search on Amazon for "low carb vegetarian" there will be several cookbooks that pop up.

I'm considering buying one of these... not because I'm a carbophobe (please! I average 200+ grams a day!), but just because I'd like more variety and different ways of making meals.

There's a few on there that are actually vegan, too - so no emphasis on cheese or eggs, either.

It looks like the tune of many of these "low carb" vegetarian books is more "low simple carb".

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Yes, I agree about ousting the low carb option. I mean what else would we eat? I used to be a personal trainer and this was the common misconception amongst just about everyone who wanted to loose weight. A calorie is a calorie, and a calorie is just a measure of energy. Our bodies need a certian amount of energy to perform daily activities such as respriatory events (breathing)and allowing the central nervous system to function properly. The problem with dieting in extremes, such as eliminating or severly diminishing our carbohydrate intake, (the most efficient source of energy) is that we also do not get the nutrients that our cells need. It is crucial to make sure our diets have balance. Vitiamins are also important to ensure that we get enough of the essential nutirents and minerals such as iron and protien that we are missing from animal sources. That is difficult, so most people just think that if they eat less they will weigh less. This is not so, because a calorie is a calorie, whether it comes from fat, protien, or carbohydrate. The key is that fatty foods are more dense, 9 calories to the gram whereas the other 2 are only 4 calories to the gram. Let's not forget alcohol that is 7 calories to the gram. These foods just supply a-lot more energy (calories) than nutrients. This being the case, when we eat a meal that is high in fat we are still hungry. The problem is that if we grab more fatty foods with less nutrient content, we could easily eat double our daily needs, which will add on the pounds and more depression. If we add on to this a sedentary lifestyle, we are just asking for more fat storage. Please keep in mind also that if we under-eat our recommended amount of calories, our body thinks that we are starving it (we pretty much are starving it because it is not able to get the appropriate amount of nutrients that it needs to function properly) and so then even though we consume less, we pack on the bodyfat. This is our body's way of survival. So don't be fooled, I believe everything in moderation is the key and that we must incorporate activity into our daily lives as well. If we are to limit something from our diets in order to loose weight I would say it should be the amount of alcohol and fried or fatty foods with little nutrient value. That is my advice, and I hope it helps.

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still not sure how to post my meals if I want to substitute items on this program. emoticon

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As a vegan, I'd be left with not a whole lot to eat if I didn't eat carbs! I agree that carbs are so misunderstood! Concentrate on non-refined carbs and you'll be just fine.

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7/12/07 11:50 A

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the southbeach veggie option was really hard to follow and very unbalanced. it doesnt help that hey cut a lot of fruits in the fruits in the begining, so you're pretty much eating cheese, eggs (if you do), and veggies.

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7/12/07 9:16 A

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ah, ach wie schön, are you german???

 
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7/12/07 9:15 A

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thanks! i was starting to think about going lower in carbs! good to know! i would do it now!

 
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7/12/07 8:13 A

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Thanks Nicole

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Wow, learned a lot of new stuff...

Thanks Nicole!

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I highly discourage everyone, including vegetarians, from going the low-carb route. Carbohydrates have an unnecessary bad rap that just won't die out, although it's been getting better in recent years. Vegetarians naturally tend to eat more carbs anyway, because grains and other products that contain carbs are more prevanent in our diets--and that's a GOOD thing. Carbs are much needed by the body for health, energy, and weight loss.

Please read the following article in the Nutrition Resource Center
"The Truth about Carbohydrates"

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7/12/07 6:36 A

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Well, really, it would be the same reason anyone would go on a low-carb diet, I would think. You want to see the same effects..

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4/12: 145 - Spring Break in Nola & Miami!
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6/1: 130 - GW!!!

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I really do not know why vegetarians should eat low carb food. It does not make sense. Let some one please throw some light on this.

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ACH!WIE.SCHOEN!'s Photo ACH!WIE.SCHOEN! Posts: 467
7/12/07 4:19 A

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I've been wondering this too...

South Beach has a vegetarian option, but it seems really hard to follow, and I dont know how healthy it would really be...

Be beautiful, inside and out.

**SW: 188 in 2007**
1/1: 172 - New Years!
2/14: 165 - Valentine's @ the Cabin!
3/14: 155 - Boston & St. Patty's Day
4/12: 145 - Spring Break in Nola & Miami!
5/15: 138 - 50# DOWN!
6/1: 130 - GW!!!

"Happiness is not a destination, but a journey"


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7/12/07 3:13 A

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hi, does anybody know if it's good to eat low carb as a vegetarian?

 
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