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8/6/10 9:54 A

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@BNLBJA talked about the CHIP program she researched 2 years ago in 2008, but couldn't because of not having childcare. The local SDA that had a CHIP program last summer (2009) had a "children's class" as an adjunct to the adult class, so our son was able to attend it. Part of the time tho, they were dismissed to come and watch the videos with the adults (which got "boring" to a "tween"). So maybe just keep contacting the local SDA and ask when they would have a CHIP class and whether they could offer child care. Usually that type of thing, they are relying on volunteers from their congregation to provide child care (as did happen in our case last summer - the young woman and some of her teenaged helpers were all from the SDA congregation hosting the CHIP class.). Plus, in some states, child care is strictly enforced and there may be a lot of regulations that just prevent the SDA from offering child care in the same building while the CHIP class is being conducted for the adults and older teens. This probably does not help you now, but perhaps you or others can find a way to trade out childcare with a friend or neighbor with children who would like to have child care for a class they might be wanting to take (not necessarily CHIP)?

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But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
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8/1/10 9:41 P

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I'm a Seventh-day Adventist so perhaps I can help clear up some confusion. Seventh-day Adventists believe in optimum health for the whole person--physical, mental and spiritual. The physical health is not stressed above the the mental and spiritual but it probably gets more press.

SDA's base all of their beliefs on the Bible and the Bible has a lot to say about health. "...Because our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit, we are to care for them intelligently. Along with adequate exercise and rest, we are to adopt the most healthful diet possible and abstain from the unclean foods identified in the Scriptures." (Church Manual)

A healthy diet and lifestyle is important because the Holy Spirit communicates to us through our minds. If our minds are clogged due to poor health choices, we will be unable to receive the information He is trying to convey to us.

The church has issued no mandate that all SDA's become vegetarians or vegans. In fact, only about 20% of SDA's are vegetarians and far fewer are vegans. However, in deference to those among us who have adopted a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle, vegetarian or vegan menus will be featured at most church social gatherings. This is merely a courtesy to those who have chosen these healthier lifestyles.

If you have any other questions I can answer about the SDA lifestyle, I'll be happy to help.





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8/7/09 3:36 P

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Well looks like this is an old thread but I am right now in the midst of a CHIP program. I've wanted to take it for years, since a friend told me about it, but it always ran in spring or fall when I was going to be busy or out of town. Anyway we're in the last week and a half of it. I have the books and some website info if anyone is interested.

Apparently, the SDA's in general are more vegan oriented but they aren't cracking down on everyone in their congregations to be at the same level...so some might be more vegetarian or more "flexatarian" (where they'd have some meat for special occasions etc.). I guess it depends on the individual congregations, how "religiousitous" they happen to be amongs themselves?

I'm not SDA but do a lot of the things that they believe (I also get asked if I'm Jewish)...

Had not heard yet of bones being used to produce the white sugar etc - understood that was mostly a bleaching thing but I guess it can be bleached with bone filters? hmmm I'd given the white sugar pretty much entirely up and we've been largely using Stevia for sweetener, or natural fruits.

It's still a progressive path, so by no means do I know it all - it's fascinating to learn. And so I'm happy to find that there were / are others in SP who have participated in CHIP.

Oh, before I forget - the one website I was looking at, it appears there are two different types of CHIP programs being offered. One is the Faith based program, usually hosted at an areas SDA congregation (like ours is), but I saw examples where Baptists churches had hosted it, etc.

The other type was a WorkPlace program, hosted by a company for their employees to help learn and begin to implement lifestyle changes that would improve companies & employees healthcare costs etc.

http://www.chipusa.org/
http://www.sdachip.org/

those two can get you started.

Sorry I'm writing too much!! gotta run! or walk! or waddle! get more exercise and get errands done and get away from the computer! Friend me!! ;-)

Matthew 6:33-34
But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
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3/23/09 5:53 P

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My husband and I just finished the CHIP program. We both lowered our cholesterol just over 33% in 4 weeks. He lost 8 pounds while eating as much as he wanted. I did not loose any, but I did not want to loose any pounds. Our resting heart rate, blood pressure, glucose numbers also fell.

I would recommend this program to anybody, young or old. It is very educational and a great motivator.

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9/23/08 10:06 P

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Sorry I took so long to reply to your reply SPECKK... absolutely no offense taken!! I actually talked to a lady that runs the program and she felt it would really help someone understand a Vegan diet better. I'll certainly make sure though as it would be a shame if it wasn't!!
As for sugar, I have found some at Planet Organic that's vegan plus I use a raw sugar as well and other such things.... It's there if we look for it!
I'll try to remember to update you should I decide to do this Chip program.....

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9/19/08 2:27 P

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Oh cool! I love their brand awesome because it is so affordable!

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9/19/08 2:23 P

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It is just store brand: 365

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9/19/08 2:18 P

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Cool, Speckk, what's the brand of the sugar?


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9/19/08 2:10 P

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Didn't mean to make light of vegan lifestyle choices CocoaBean! No offense was meant. I just meant that if this program leans toward veganism it is probably incidental. As you said, ALL animal proteins are highly related to cholesterol levels.

I admire your devotion and the commitment you've made. Unless you have access to more info about the CHIPS program than what is available on the website, I would be really surprised if it lived up to your expectations. The focus of the program is to improve coronary health and doesn't seem to advocate a vegan lifestyle particularly, especially at the depth that you choose to practice. But you seem to be a diligent researcher and I'm sure you'll find the information and support you need!

Incidentally, I recently found that Whole Foods carries a sugar that is both vegan and certified fair trade!

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COCOABEAN2 Posts: 232
9/18/08 4:43 P

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Just commenting on SPECKK's comment....The shift from Vegetarian to Vegan is actually quite big.... Once you really explore foods, it's amazing to realize that something as simple as sugar might not be Vegan because it's been put through a bone filter or had ground up bones added to make it whiter! Man, even my lip moisturizer wasn't vegan with beeswax in it.... The list goes on and on but with time, I'm eliminating animal by products and things that just aren't vegan. This is why I'm so interested in this Chip Program, I need all the help I can get!! One interesting thing in closing was that the shift to Vegan, from a diet that cuts out red meat and egg whites instead of whole eggs and skim milk from higher fat milk, still only cuts cholestrol by 5%!! Body weight and blood pressure improve only modestly. Inside the arteries, blockages continue to worsen. Whereas a vegan diet puts health into high gear. Cuts cholestrol by 20-25%, trimming the body weight by about a pound per week and helps people become free of diabetic and high cholestrol medication! The more I learn the more I want to stay Vegan!!

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9/18/08 4:15 P

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Yes, most SDA are just vegetarian, but if you are going to cut something out for a program such as this there isn't much left but dairy!

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BNLBJA Posts: 49
9/18/08 3:53 P

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A couple of days ago I looked into the textbook/workbook and cookbook that goes with the program. It isn't a fantastic substitute for the lectures but probably the basics of program, it was about $35.00 total. I did not purchase it, as the computer froze....I am pretty sure the book is called Dynamic living by Dr. Hans Diehl/Aileen Ludington...so that can give you a start if you are not able but wanting to attend the program. I found some copies on Abe books for a really low price but I do not know what the title of the cookbook is.

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9/18/08 3:51 P

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I thought SDA weren't all vegans. I thought that most of them are just vegetarian.
Are they moving toward being 100% vegan or something?

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9/18/08 3:49 P

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It is vegan because it is SDA emoticon Seventh Day Adventists have strict dietary restrictions.

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9/18/08 3:47 P

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Girls, this is exciting. I've been able to track down a program close to us. She wasn't sure when they'd run the program but hopefully I'll be able to go. The cost is just about 200 for one person or about 350 for a couple. She sounded really knowledgable and stressed that the motivation through attending the program was great, even that there are support groups afterward..... Gotta run....

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Wow, cool. I love hearing about different dietary programs that recommend a vegan diet.

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9/18/08 12:44 P

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This sounds wonderful. I will look it up. I have been looking for a guide into "vegan" Thanks

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BNLBJA Posts: 49
9/18/08 11:46 A

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I am sorry I had thought I had posted the website www.sdachip.org/about_chip Basically, you attend the first class and have bloodwork done. You get "stuff" water bottle, bag, textbook/workbook and cookbook for the program. You meet 4 times a week to listen to a lecture series and have support as you make big changes in your diet. At the end of the 30 days you have your bloodwork taken again and have alumni support with the group as long as you need to. It is all 100% food, not "special" food or supplements or drugs. The average weightloss is 7lbs in a month, 10%-20% reducation in cholesterol and more. I wish I could attend but do not have childcare. A friend of mine has gone and cannot say enough about it. It is a vegan based program.

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9/18/08 11:43 A

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I'd be all for participating in a program like this for numerous reasons. I'm vegan and I consume Xocai, the healthy chocolate that is suppose to stop plaque build-up on the endothelium walls, stop blood clotting (preventing strokes and heart attacks) and reduce high blood pressure amongst a number of other benefits. This test would be a way for me to also determine if these claims are really true. Like others, fill us in!

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9/18/08 9:24 A

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I have not heard about this one.. I heard of C.H.I.P. (Children's Health Insurance Program.)
What can you tell us about your CHIP program for the Heart.?



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9/18/08 7:44 A

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No I haven't. I had not heard of it before. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

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no, I have not! I will look for this programme and try to attend.

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BNLBJA Posts: 49
9/18/08 6:58 A

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Have any of you participated in the CHIP program? It is an intense 30 day program and encourages a mainly vegan diet.

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