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That's a really good point about taking responsibility. I need to intentionally make sure I am doing that each time I make a choice. Thanks!

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9/2/08 12:48 P

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I didn't truly start to recover until I took complete responsibility for my disorder. No one made me binge. I was making the choice each and every time to do the easier thing (eat) rather than the hard thing (look inward and see why I wanted to eat and then do something else instead). Yes, there was a combination of things (changing my black/white thinking, challenging my thoughts, self care, regular exercise, and definitely therapy), but I had to actually do the work to make the choice every single time NOT to binge.

Heather wrote:
Sure, not a lot of people seem like they're winning, but I believe it's just because they haven't found the right combination of things to keep them from relapsing. There's no one "magic solution" but knowing yourself, knowing what causes your binge eating, knowing how to avoid situations or deal with triggers that cause binge eating -- all these things do give us an upper hand over it, I truly believe!


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9/1/08 5:27 P

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the $$ thing has helped me too!

and I love the "take a few minutes in the middle of the day to de-stress" ~ it helps me stay focused if I do that when I feel the stress getting to me.

and so has this whole idea, that i really have to take care of me (these physical and emotional needs) as a daily priority.

I think the key word there is "need" ~ it's not luxuries, it's real needs, eh?

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8/30/08 3:48 P

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For some ( and you included) not carrying money with you is a good idea. At my worst 9when I had no money) i used to shop lift!!! It was that bad!!!!!

If I am not for myself, then who will be for me?
If I am only for myself, of what use am I?
If not now - when?


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8/30/08 10:06 A

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My new thinking starting today is :
1- Not let myself get too hungry when i am "just staving" that seems to be the time when it happens most.
2- Stop and take a few min. during the day when i feel over loaded and destress so that things dont bother me
3- When I get " the urge" and start planning what i want or " the craving" for certain foods comes i will try to stop the craving with something healthy.

And i am thinking about no longer carring money with me or at home too. And that would stop me alot of the time....LOL


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7/19/08 10:49 A

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There is only one things that I absolutely must do to continue down the path to recovery:
TAKE CARE OF MYSELF!
That includes getting enough sleep, exercising daily, eating good healthy food, and taking time to do things for myself for no other reason than deserving them.

This last is the MOST important thing I HAVE to do. When I sacrifice too much of myself for other people, I quickly start down the slippery slope to feeling deprived, which leads to rewarding myself with food.

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hi my granddaughter has seen more doctors then you can name . we have had her to chiropractic doctor she is going three times a week. she sees other doctors . Each day brings a new pain and or hurt . she will not hold a job long enough to say she is working . bills pile up and doctor after doctor says they cant find anything wrong . I am aware of many real pains people have in fact have some of them myself.i would love to find a cure but really do not think she will ever be whole . she now wants to go to another neurogolical this would be her third one in less then six months . says her hands and feet are numb . I wish i had a magic wand. at times it is a upsetting worrying about her .

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7/9/08 12:02 P

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Heather,

Thanks for the encouragement. You are right.

I also suffer from asthma, am pre-diabetic and have extreme dyslipidemia which can lead to heart attack (dad died at 52 from his 2nd) so like you, I definitely have health motivations to lose weight!

Shannon

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7/9/08 11:54 A

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Shannon,
I think that reading books helps give us the tools we need to develop our own way of thinking and our own plan that does help us fight against this chronic illness. Sure, not a lot of people seem like they're winning, but I believe it's just because they haven't found the right combination of things to keep them from relapsing. There's no one "magic solution" but knowing yourself, knowing what causes your binge eating, knowing how to avoid situations or deal with triggers that cause binge eating -- all these things do give us an upper hand over it, I truly believe!

I will never give up. I will reach my goal. Admitting failure to this and giving in will cause weight gain which will mean I won't live as long or as happy of a life. I know those are strong words, but I have asthma and am at an extremely high risk for diabetes (my mother's side of the family!)... or heart disease from my dad's side of the family. So, why should I even THINK of giving in? Can't afford to!

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7/9/08 11:47 A

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Sugarsmom,
I have chronic pain, and thankfully, mine is not severe. I have talked with others with my condition (fibromyalgia) who are really suffering a lot -- can't sleep at night, had to give up their job, some describe their pain as a 8 out of 10 every single day, some have made frequent trips to the emergency room for their pain. It's hard for me to fathom, but I now am sympathetic even if I acknowledge that I don't completely understand.

It goes a bit deeper than just having pain myself. My mother has fibromyalgia and she also has very severe osteoarthritis where bone spurs were very close to cutting her spinal cord. Doctors told her it was all in her head (because she "looked fine." Thank God for the right doctor who took her seriously and sent her for an urgent surgery that allows her to continue to walk for now (tho her condition is degenerative).

I used to joke when I was younger about how slow she walked. Little did I know that she was in so much pain. She didn't let on, really. I remember she had some aches and I guess she would sit down a lot if I really thought about it. And... well, she really didn't like to cook, much. None of that really would have led me to believe she was seriously ill because
she "looked fine."

She also hardly sleeps at night and keeps odd hours, but she's lucky to get sleep with the pain disrupting her life.

The sad truth is, you can't tell what sort of pain someone is in. You can only take their word for it. If your granddaughter is seeing a doctor who is giving her medicine, then it's likely she truly is suffering. In my case, tho, it took me 3 years and a few doctors to diagnose me with fibromyalgia -- I thought I had osteoarthritis like my mother (and was afraid!). I do have OA, but it probably won't harm me as it has her. I'm 28 years old, but I feel as though I'm 60 or 70 without my medication. So, some of us who do have chronic pain aren't as lucky to be taken seriously by a doctor. I hope my condition doesn't worsen. I love my job and want to continue to work. I feel it adds to my identity and keeps me interacting with other people where staying at home every day would be a hardship for me -- financially, socially, physically. True, there are those who aren't motivated and don't realize the value of work but their language/attitude tends to give that away. My cousin quit school and said she plans to live off welfare like her mom... but her mom has a learning disability and is working two jobs right now and still can't make ends meet.

There are so many different kinds of people in this world!

Anyhow, I don't mean to lecture. I just feel my perspective has changed since I'm now a "chronic pain patient." Even calling myself that does sound strange to me, but I suppose it's the truth. A lot of people don't understand me, so I try not to talk about it at work or with people I don't know well -- online, it's much easier because I don't care if people don't believe me. ;) I can just try and that's all I can do.

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7/6/08 12:08 A

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When I started on sparkpeople I set up my meals, and while I was reading these page and threads I reread the setting your goals and look at all of the thing they included in getting ready for bed. It made me think of what I did to relax. It wasn't for sleeping but for taking test at school. I had to learn to breat deeply and continue to do it until I could just about go to sleep.
Thinking about that I start thinking about waht I could do to help me relax when going to bed. I stop andput on solt music and streching out my legs and arms, back. Then I bring a bk and lead in bed and read for 30 mins. put it down after that time do more deep breathing. close my eyes and ask the Lord to hlep me relax I sleep so sound. I hardly toss or move. Three yr ago I could hardly sleep. It is one of the many gift that has been given to me. Since changing my attitudes.

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7/4/08 11:35 A

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i have a granddaughter she doesn't sleep nights like most people and she takes sleeping pills to sleep. I think her odd hours are a hugh problem with her . she should keep regular hours and not force herself to stay up all night and then wants to sleep all day. she says she is ill but every pain is major and she dwells upon it . thought becomes all consuming and nothing else get in her brain . doctor said one pill she takes four or five . if she has pain pills she takes more then she is told to take . says her pain is greater then anyone knows . boy would i like to put her on a regular time frame . she quite her job . has melt downs over everything . no matter how small or big it may be . at the end of the rope . can not do anymore for her . worry yes . support no.

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6/29/08 10:00 P

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chronic....

well, isn't that the truth? Since joining LBF I have encountered a few, rare people who are no longer binge eating and have gone years without doing so but for the most part it seems like we would say that binge eating is a chronic problem.

I keep wanting something magical to happen...you know, like read the RIGHT book or hear the RIGHT advice or just get some self control (yeah, that's a good one) but it doesn't. I have found that I have actual binges less often now than I used to and when I do they are not as 'big' as they used to be but they are still part of my life and if I am not binge eating I am always overeating. It is so frustrating that somedays I don't even know why I try.


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...skids back in!

well, i've continued to think on this.

and yes, what I'm hearing is that caring for ourselves is something that needs to be ongoing and is essential for our physical health & wellbeing :)

for me, it translates into making this a real, true, actual lifestyle ~ the things I do that become part of my daily routine, and health is certainly a compelling reason for taking care of ourselves :)

Thanks again for posting this. Very helpful outlook & thinking ~ when we actually "want" to do these things, it makes it easier to step away from the fridge! :)

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6/22/08 6:18 P

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I certainly can relate to not getting enough sleep. Not only can it lead to binging (or at least eating too much during the night) but everything else in my life suffers - my running - falling asleep at work!!!For me I think it is age related. I started having trouble sleeping somewhere around 65/66 and now at 70 it is even worse OUCH!

If I am not for myself, then who will be for me?
If I am only for myself, of what use am I?
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boy, can i relate about the sleep, swear mine is called the *refusing 2 sleep* syndrome ~ lol

and when i'm tired, everything is worse, especially my resistance to bingeing!

For me, this goes waaaaaay back, to early childhood, at least the 3rd grade, perhaps earlier. As As an adult thought, I really fought with losing weight/yo-yo'ing for many years, and always had kind of thought that when i just put my mind to it, i would lose the weight and keep it off. When that didn't happen, i eventually gave up, not really knowing what to do.

Found information on bingeing and people online talking about it, and learned so much, made such gr8 progress that I began to think again that I could just fix this and be done with it. That was my Honeymoon phase, when I learned all I could, was excited about the changes/changing, felt optimistic again ~ think rose colored glasses...

To my surprise, it didn't just fix rapidly ~ so I guess that's a sign that it's not just a habit or attitude that needs tweaking, but rather a more complex set of problems and eating patterns that I need to deal with (at least disordered eating), and that this IS going to take more time and more practice. I have every reason to hope that things will continue to improve ~ I've come a long ways, so I'm sure I'll continue to improve.

For me, I find the concept of "chronic" really appropriate for me personally ~ that it is perhaps hard to get on a roll, hard to stay there and really easy to lapse back into bingeing...

I love the idea of making a daily "care routine" a permanent, helpful part of my life ~ and will be spending some time thinking about what my routine is. I have an idea from creating my happy making, healthy making lifestyle, but I can see that "care routine" for bingeing should also be a real part of that lifestyle :)

Thank you for posting this :)

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Hi Greybeh,
I do that same thing! I know I am tired and need to get to bed because I'm up early to exercise. But I am resistent to ending the day. I think sometimes I feel like I don't get enough time away from work and obligations. I want 'me' time. However, all i end up doing is wasting more time awake, and not getting enough sleep. Then i'm more likely to binge. I frustrate myself. emoticon
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Leslie, that's me as well. I have a sleep disorder (caused by fibromyalgia), so I also have most of my problems in the evening when I'm tired and ought to just go to bed. I'm stubborn, though and I try to stay awake because I have things I would rather be doing than sleeping. It does me much more harm than good to ignore my body!

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This is so well written... I think it would be a helpful plan for many of us. Mine looks somewhat similar, but for me I additionally have to make sure I get enough sleep hours, and also, down time to rest. When I am physically tired or emotionally drained, I am at risk to binge.
Thanks for posting this!
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6/21/08 5:58 P

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GREAT POST!! thanks Ev

If I am not for myself, then who will be for me?
If I am only for myself, of what use am I?
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Just look at how far you've come since we first began this Happy Healthy Lifetime Journey .. keep journaling/Blogging such milestones so that when You're discouraged you can look back at how far you've come! emoticon

Well spoken girl and an excellent thread for responses!

Thank you for sharing .. I loved the medicine analogy you've come up with!!

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I posted this in my blog, but I felt driven to share it here for the rest of you who might find some benefit in it:

I think I might be understanding something about how to fight binge-eating and why I'm having such a hard time of it.

Binge-eating is a chronic illness. For chronic illnesses, you have to have some sort of care routine and you have to be actively conscious of it. I need to start assessing myself: How do I feel right now? What do I need to do to keep myself from feeling the urge to binge?

I often "put off" taking care of myself and I end up bingeing as a result. I have to be proactive on this.

I'm thinking of the concept of "medicine" as being more than just a pill you take. It's also your 'care routine.' And you're not going to get better without "taking your medicine" (following your care routine).

I need to ask myself, OFTEN, am I hungry right now? What do I need to do right now so that I'm not hungry when I shouldn't be?

Here's what I can do (my medicines/interventions):
- Drink water
- Drink Tea
- Have veggies with my meal to keep my body nutritionally satisfied
- Focus on Nutrient-dense foods
- Include fiber in my meals to help me feel fuller
- Exercise or distract myself from the fridge
- Be consciously aware of my eating habits and actively work to change the bad habits (Beck Diet Solution, Cognitive/behavioral solutions)
- Take my medicines for pain, sleep and acid reflux as I need them, they keep me from feeling physically uncomfortable which triggers binge-eating
- Reaffirm the reasons I am trying to lose weight whenever I'm tempted to give in.
- Actively seek support
- Start planning means and snacks more consistently, learn to cook and freeze leftovers
- Avoid trigger foods
- Be aware of my emotional state and practice stress relief/relaxation techniques
- Purposefully engage in activities that I enjoy. This will keep me happy AND occupied! (doubling the benefit!)
- re-read and reflect upon past epiphanies and actively seek inspiration and motivation from magazines, televisions, recipes, other people. Keep it "Fresh" and exciting. Continue to try new foods and re-introduce foods that helped me in the past (old food diaries are a resource!)
- continue to journal and plot any observations I make that can help me in the future

So, have YOU taken your medicine today? What sort of "treatment" do you need to give yourself so that you are being proactive in taking care of your chronic illness?

Obesity isn't just WHAT YOU ARE. It's a physical illness that we need to treat in order to get better. We all have our own treatments/medicine that we need to do in order to get better.

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