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6/5/13 1:43 P

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True my daughter lost 200 bounds by dieting right 1 bound a week in 4 years

I am not pussyfooting around. :)


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6/5/13 12:54 P

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I am an RN and I have seen my fellow healthcare professionals treat people differently because they are obese or have a mental health issue.

Although I understand how it can happen unconsciously (they have studied for years to resolve health issues and increase wellbeing for their patients and can have little patience with those people who seem not willing to help themselves) I feel they should be TRAINED well enough to understand the complexities involved with weight issues and not allow it to effect their treatment of their patients in any way that isn't directly related to their health status. (ex. elect to not perform a risky surgery on someone who is obese when there are other alternatives available)

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“Do not let your fire go out spark by irreplaceable spark... Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.. it is real…. It is possible…. It’s yours. “
Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged)

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SYLPHINPROGRESS's Photo SYLPHINPROGRESS Posts: 13,691
5/28/13 11:28 P

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NFLATTE, I omitted mentioning that an earlier study[s] of practicing, licensed M.D.'s showed a bias there also. I don't know who conducted it or where or when or the percentage, however. Of course, the bias exists in all groups in our society.

I'm not sure which Spark article you're referring to.

(I've been puzzling over your screen name. Is it non-fat latte or N. Flatte or something else?)

Laurie



Edited by: SYLPHINPROGRESS at: 5/28/2013 (23:29)
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"If you're going through hell, keep going."
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5/28/13 10:28 P

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This came as NO SURPRISE - I have been treated by doctors who thought that my earache was due to my obesity. I refuse to go to doctors who don't listen and respect me - DESPITE the fact that I am obese.

With love and caring from Nancy ... wishing all of you a wonderful, blessed, and precious day.



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5/28/13 9:44 P

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I read this Spark article too...Doesn't surprise me...but I think that this bias is more widespread than the med. student community...

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5/28/13 9:00 P

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Laurie, you hit the nail on the head - that's exactly what it is!

"The present is what slips by us while we’re pondering the past and worrying about the future. - Ziggy

"The groundwork of all happiness is health."
Leigh Hunt

"Comparison is the thief of joy."
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SYLPHINPROGRESS's Photo SYLPHINPROGRESS Posts: 13,691
5/28/13 7:58 P

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MIller, the woman at the store knows life's greatest secret: She has a right to live. With a capital "L." No matter what. It's heart-breaking that so many don't accept that the right extends to all.

Laurie



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No one said it would be easy, but it can be easier.

There is substance in glibness and vice versa:
"If you're going through hell, keep going."
-- Winston Churchill, master of both?


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5/28/13 6:19 P

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Laurie, I should probably be the one to delete my post - I'm the one that went off on a tangent there. For some reason, reading about the unconscious bias that doctors have just ticks me off. I don't like doctors, in general, as many have let my family down.

Upon reflection, you're right - many obese people are happy. In fact, I just ran into one of them yesterday at the grocery store. She's not slowing down for anything. She leads an extremely full and happy life - in fact, she was leaving this morning to go on a cruise with her husband. She's not letting her obesity keep her housebound or away from friends or anything. Of course, she doesn't have a mental illness, either. I'm sure that's a big factor in her happiness.

She's also a person who doesn't seem to spend much time thinking or reflecting about things. (Or should I say "brooding," which is what I seem to do). She mostly just lives - she's like a happy little bumble bee going from one place to another - never staying very long, but just merrily going on to the next pretty flower. Wouldn't that be great? Wish I was more like her!

Anyway, I think I will delete my earlier post - it's a little too much! emoticon

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"The present is what slips by us while we’re pondering the past and worrying about the future. - Ziggy

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"Comparison is the thief of joy."
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5/28/13 5:59 P

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Miller, your note is so long that I have to decide where to start with the points I want to respond to. (No, that's not criticism!)

Ah, yes... I'd think that the majority of our teammates who are considerably overweight, upon spotting another obese person at the mall or wherever, wonder what makes that person tick. For that reason I think the majority of the team, regardless of weight, will be "angry" at learning you have that thought. I think there are at least three reasons behind the wondering and any or all might apply:

1) We're not thrilled with ourselves, so we project that the stranger isn't with him/herself either.
2) We're conditioned by society and media and whomever else in our histories wrinkled a nose at us.
3) It's probably true that the stranger isn't thrilled with him/herself for the same reasons as us.

It's certainly conceivable and true that many obese people are happy with their lives: Loving families, good careers, interests and activities, connectedness in the world beyond family, etc., etc. They're free of emotional baggage/mental illness.

To be fair, it's inaccurate to say that all doctors have the subconscious or even conscious bias. I don't know the percentage among practicing, licensed doctors(there was an earlier study[s] somewhere. This more recent study of med students at Wake Forest showed about 37%, I think.

Um, I'm going to stop here because I'm derailing myself -- I've lost track of what/where I'm aiming to say here. That may mean I should delete the whole post, but I won't. I probably just need something to eat -- breakfast was the last food of the day.

Laurie

Edited by: SYLPHINPROGRESS at: 5/28/2013 (18:00)
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5/28/13 5:21 P

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Edited by: MILLERISHEALTHY at: 5/28/2013 (18:22)
"The present is what slips by us while we’re pondering the past and worrying about the future. - Ziggy

"The groundwork of all happiness is health."
Leigh Hunt

"Comparison is the thief of joy."
Theodore Roosevelt


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MILLERISHEALTHY's Photo MILLERISHEALTHY Posts: 6,007
5/28/13 4:48 P

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SANDRALEET, so, so true.

"The present is what slips by us while we’re pondering the past and worrying about the future. - Ziggy

"The groundwork of all happiness is health."
Leigh Hunt

"Comparison is the thief of joy."
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SYLPHINPROGRESS's Photo SYLPHINPROGRESS Posts: 13,691
5/28/13 4:42 P

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I disagree about teaching children that the outside doesn't matter.

1) It doesn't prepare a child for what he'll encounter in the world, and
2) It isn't true.

Our packaging isn't an indication of our worth as human beings. It is, however, an aspect of our health, barring specific conditions.

Years ago, without having given it much thought, I began speaking to kids about their total packaging: You're big and strong and healthy and beautiful. I suspect this can go a long way with older kids who are intellectually sophisticated enough to hear the four words as one state. I also suspect that it gets toddlers, who scream if you call them babies or little boys or girls and preen when told "you're big,", thinking early of the whole.

Talk "healthy weight" instead of "pretty" or "attractive" or "good-looking weight."

Laurie

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5/28/13 4:09 P

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It is a sad world indeed when it comes to obesity.



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SANDRALEET's Photo SANDRALEET Posts: 7,804
5/28/13 3:35 P

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The way of the world is not Gods way It is of judgement self love and materialism

I am not pussyfooting around. :)


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5/28/13 12:47 P

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Laurie, I read the article and even went to the Harvard website and started to take a test. Maybe I'll be brave enough to take one of the tests later, but not right now. I think I can guess what the results will be, anyway. As you said, you weren't surprised by the interpretation of your responses.

I just think the whole subject is sad. We spend all those years telling our kid(s) that it's not what's on the outside that counts, but it's the inside that's important. And all the time, we know deep in our hearts that is not the way the world works. emoticon



Edited by: MILLERISHEALTHY at: 5/28/2013 (16:40)
"The present is what slips by us while we’re pondering the past and worrying about the future. - Ziggy

"The groundwork of all happiness is health."
Leigh Hunt

"Comparison is the thief of joy."
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SYLPHINPROGRESS's Photo SYLPHINPROGRESS Posts: 13,691
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NPR this morning had a feature on a study at Wake Forest University Medical School which showed that about one-third of medical students have an unconscious bias against obese patients. I didn't hear the entire piece, so I googled the subject and found a blog by Joe Palca, the NPR reporter (there were many more, related options) with a link to a Harvard website of tests on implicit associations to many things, including weight and mental health. I took the one on weight (thin/fat) and wasn't surprised by the interpretation of my responses.

Laurie

www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/05/23/
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-- Winston Churchill, master of both?


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