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2/22/08 2:20 A

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Bumping this thread to the top because this topic came up again. Looks like there's a lot of information here.

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2/17/08 11:25 A

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I actually work in medical research on diabetes, and am doing a study on gestational diabetes. Now I wouldn't call myself an expert (I'm not a MD), but I certainly work with the experts.

Gestational diabetes (GDM) is an indicator that you are more at risk for Type 2 diabetes in the future. The stress of pregnancy on your body actually acts like a screening test--it reveals any insulin resistance you might have. Insulin resistance is the major mechanism in Type 2 diabetes--your pancreas is still producing insulin, but your body's cells are resistant to it and your pancreas can't keep up with the demand. It can't make enough insulin to move all the sugar from your blood to your cells as efficiently as it should. When this inefficiency reaches a certain point, that's Type 2 diabetes. Technically, if you have Type 2 diabetes before you get pregnant, then during pregnancy you don't have GDM--you already had diabetes, it's not pregnancy related. It will probably require more treatment, but you don't have more than one form of diabetes at a time.

Some people are just genetically more insulin resistant than others regardless of weight, but being heavy does make you more insulin resistant. And we all naturally become more insulin resistant as we age (all other things being equal of course).

Being at a healthy weight, exercising, and eating well make you more insulin sensitive (that's good). That's why these are all elements of treating Type 2. For some Type 2s, this alone is enough to keep their blood sugars under control. Some will need the addition of an oral medication (that makes their body more sensitive to the insulin it is producing), and some will actually need to take insulin by injection. There does seem to be a pattern of progression, where someone with Type 2 may be controlled for years on just lifestyle changes, then may be need oral medication, and finally end up on insulin.

In a way, developing GDM when you're pregnant gives you an extra piece of information about your own body. It's not routine screening to check for insulin resistance, but if you have learned through pregnancy that you already lean that way, you can look after your lifestyle before you develop Type 2.

 
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Hi Ya'll,

sorry to bump an old thread but came across this article today & thought i'd share:

Sugar Substitutes May Contribute to Weight Gain
Saccharin tricked body, slowed down metabolism in rats

MONDAY, Feb. 11 (HealthDay News) -- Surprising research suggests a popular artificial sweetener has the unexpected and unwelcome effect of packing on the pounds.

Purdue researchers report that saccharin altered the ability of rats to control their appetites. However, the head of an artificial sweetener trade group scoffed at the findings, saying they don't necessarily translate to humans.

the rest can be found here: health.msn.com/health-topics/diabete
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Anyone who has successfully figured out that SMALL SUCCESSES make BIG SUCCESSES.

In an enormous act of love, the kindest thing you can do is walk away from this junk food.

The act of saying NO lays down a boundary of love. NO to junk food means YES to you, which after all is the point."

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Melons, though they are not in season, are usually well tolerated by people with blood sugar issues. But pears are even better than apples... slightly higher in fiber. Also, most importantly is to have that protein at the same time, preferably first few bites, as carbs. Diabetes is curable. (Type II that is) Type I is an autoimmune disease and can be managed. OH... and I'm sure you know this... quantity of food is also important.

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Totally agree with Thatsy! I'm working on the higher fiber. I've been taking in high fiber, High protein shakes by Kashi. As for breakfasts now I only have turkey bacon and farm fresh eggs. Basically one whole egg and six eggwhites. Water all day, with exception to green tea.

I have REALLY had to limit my carb intake...even good whole grain carbs....I have only apples and berries....I will splurge sometimes on an orange, but my sugars spike with much fruit other than the berries and apples.

Live and learn. I'm certainly learning!



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Thank you ladies!

I can tell you that with eating clean my blood sugars have been controlled with diet alone! emoticon

I've had GD with all of my pregnancies, this is #4, and with my full term baby, #2 born weighing 7 lbs 10 oz, I was put on insulin at night because my fasting numbers were a tad high for my OB then. With my other two pregnancies my kiddos were born prematurely, 29 and 31 weeks born weighing 3 lbs 8 oz and 4 lbs 2 oz, so there were no medical interventions with them. I actually found out I had GD with #1 the day before I delivered her and delivered #3 the day before the OB put me on medication.

I've made it to 38 weeks and I'm 20 lbs less than what I was with my other full term pregnancy. I've managed to maintain my weight in these last two trimesters thanks to clean eating but I did gain about 30 lbs in the first trimester because I had all day sickness and could only tolerate crackers and hot and cold cereals, an all carb diet! emoticon Plus my DH was deployed and we were in Japan so I had no one to help with the cooking.

It's all good now! I'm just trying to avoid coming down with full blown diabetes after the pregnancy. Clean eating really makes me feel so healthy and my sugars were great before I got pregnant too. I'm trying to alter recipes, particularly baked goods, that the family will love since the kids are so picky.

I better get some sleep! I have an early morning appointment!


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Hi Ya'll,

i second CCSHERE praise on the info & link thats been posted here.

Many many thanks for all the replies


"When you had your indulgent meal of {name it here} instead of going all out, WHY not turn it around right there?

Anyone who has successfully figured out that SMALL SUCCESSES make BIG SUCCESSES.

In an enormous act of love, the kindest thing you can do is walk away from this junk food.

The act of saying NO lays down a boundary of love. NO to junk food means YES to you, which after all is the point."

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Maybe you know this already, but just as important as limiting sugar...
You need to eat a high fiber, high protien diet to keep your numbers down.
Also, very important is to drink pleanty of water between meals.
These things are sooooo important!!!

Wherever you are, be there totally. If you find your here and now intolerable and it makes you unhappy, you have three options: remove yourself from the situation, change it, or accept it totally.

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I too have gestational diabetes. No, I don't know what they are on the GI, however, I still use it because it's all natural compared to the equal I was using. If it gives you any idea, my bloodsugars have still been in the 90's throughout the day and around 125 two hours after eating. I would definately monitor your intake as I don't use a whole lot, however, I use Organic Cane Juice Crystals like I would regular sugar for recipes, Sucanat I use in recipes that call for brown sugar...and I use honey in my bread instead of regular sugars. Everything has been alright concerning my bloodsugars....in the past I had as high as 300 on my meter. I have changed diet and just recently was put on Amaryll to get my body back to using it's own insulin. I'm at sugar #'s that are for those without diabetes now.

I would definately watch your intake of any sugar and test to see how your body does individually. Do you have a monitor your testing with? Did you have Type II before you were pregnant or did this start showing upon pregnancy? Reason I'm asking is that it may just be to your benefit to use less sugar no matter what your using. The higher your glucose levels, the bigger the baby could be. I'm sure you already know that for those with Type II diabetes, the babies could have higher birth weights if the mothers bloodsugar is uncontrolled.

Praying I helped just a bit and that I didn't scare you. ((hugs))

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emoticon for all the GREAT information!

I have a question though. Would you know what kind of effects the Sucanat and organic can juice has on blood sugar levels?

I've read that agave nectar is low on the glycemic index, therefore better for diabetics, but what about the unrefined and organic sugars?

I have gestational diabetes but still watch my sugars when not pregnant since I have family members with diabetes.


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Wow... Thanks for the cool web address!

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1/23/08 11:41 A

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Sucanat-is non-refined cane sugar. Unlike refined and processed white sugar, Sucanat retains its molasses content; it is essentially pure dried sugar cane juice. The juice is extracted by mechanical processes, heated and cooled at which point the small brown grainy crystals are formed.

Sucanat is generally accepted as a substitute for brown sugar. Unlike regular brown sugar, sucanat is grainy instead of crystalline. Of all major sugars derived from sugar cane, Sucanat (not a "processed" sugar) ranks the highest in nutritional value, containing a smaller proportion of sucrose than white cane sugar. However, Sucanat (in common with all sugars) is not a significant source of any nutrient apart from carbohydrate.

Turbinado sugar contains only a trace amount of its original molasses content, making it more or less like refined sugar except with a golden color and a hint of molasses flavor.


Organic Natural Cane Sugar Crystals

Organic cane juice sugar crystals come from fields of organically raised sugar cane. No chemical herbicides, pesticides or fertilizers are used in the production of the crop of sugar cane.
Organic cane juice sugar crystals are a healthier alternative to refined sugar. While both sweeteners are made from sugar cane, evaporated cane juice does not undergo the same degree of processing that refined sugar does. It retains some of the natural molasses and so is tan in color. Unlike refined sugar, cane juice sugar crystals retain more of the nutrients found in sugar cane.

Here's a website to help you understand the difference between the two:
www.thefamilyhomestead.com/organicsu
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This family has gone back to basics and eats what they raise, cans everything they harvest themselves and uses only alternative Organic sweeteners as well as makes their own whole grain flours by taking the Wheat Berries and other grains and milling themselves. I've learned alot from them.

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1/23/08 11:26 A

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Hi Ya'll,

would some one tell me the diff tween organic sugar, plain old processed sugar, Organic Cane Juice Crystals, Sucanat & Turbinado?

I understand the organic. are they all "processed" in a similar fashion? some one educated me please


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"When you had your indulgent meal of {name it here} instead of going all out, WHY not turn it around right there?

Anyone who has successfully figured out that SMALL SUCCESSES make BIG SUCCESSES.

In an enormous act of love, the kindest thing you can do is walk away from this junk food.

The act of saying NO lays down a boundary of love. NO to junk food means YES to you, which after all is the point."

~~Tosca Reno~~



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I think what the norm is in here is that plain processed sugar is pretty bad as it has gone through several processes which in the end has made it bad for the body. Natural sugars for instance using Honey as sweetener or Organic Cane Juice Crystals, Sucanat or Turbinado is taken straight from the cane instead of put through a series of processes. the Organic all-natural is in it's "natural" state.



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1/23/08 11:00 A

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Hi Ya'll,

wow! what great replies....any one for the use of plain old sugar? or the other side of this topic?
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the knowledge here is great!


"When you had your indulgent meal of {name it here} instead of going all out, WHY not turn it around right there?

Anyone who has successfully figured out that SMALL SUCCESSES make BIG SUCCESSES.

In an enormous act of love, the kindest thing you can do is walk away from this junk food.

The act of saying NO lays down a boundary of love. NO to junk food means YES to you, which after all is the point."

~~Tosca Reno~~



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1/22/08 6:38 P

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Sucanat otherwise none as (Sugar Cane Natural) can be used in place of brown sugar. I use it all the time in place of it and have gotten used to its texture. You can find it in your local health food market and it's quite expensive, but if you live near an Amish Country somewhere you can get GREAT DEALS on it.



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Traditional brown sugar is white sugar with molasses added to it.
It's weird, they take natural sugar, bleach it white, removing the molasses then put it back in.

Raw cane sugar is naturally brown and slightly sweeter than white sugar.
It's less processed and still has a little nutrition left in it...
However it's still a simple carb.
Therefore it's not much different than white sugar as far as how your body uses it.
There have been some studies that suggest that raw cane sugar is processed by the body at a slightly slower rate, but the difference is so minute that the producers of raw cane sugar (hoping to use this as a marketing strategy) don't or can't make any claims, as in; it's better for you because it doesn't raise blood sugar levels.
I guess, and I hate to admit this, sugar is sugar is sugar...
Ugh!

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What about brown sugar?

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I, like many others have a problem with sugar. It's probably my biggest struggle.
A note about Stevia, although it is safe and natural you cannot cook with it or heat it as it becomes bitter and unstable.


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I, too, have decreased my sugar intake. However, the key word here is decrease. I haven't used refined sugar for 5 years, but I do use raw sugar. It's called Sugar in the Raw. Sugar In The Raw Premium Hawaiian Turbinado Sugar is made using 100% pure Hawaiian cane sugar from the initial pressing of the cane, allowing the natural molasses to remain in the crystals. The flavor is sweet and rich. The color is natural amber. It is more expense than refined sugar. This is my take on sugar.

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Sugar is the white poison! Ok that is what Tosca said and actually sugar was possibly one of the easiest things to eliminate from my diet...No sweets - unless its a special ocassion - I have just said goodbye to Equal - in my morning coffee - now it is black. Other than honey and sugar free jam I try to use fruit to sweeten things up if I need it.

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When my husband started eating clean, he would have agreed with you! He would say, "It's white, so it must be clean!" (Good thing he never shared that opinion on here! I think he would just say it to get a rise out of me!) Even he has changed his mind, though, and is now using Stevia.

In my opinion, refined sugar needs to be avoided as much as possible. We try to only buy things that have cane juice or cane sugar in the ingredients. I'm not saying that we don't eat things every now and then that have refined sugar, but if it can be avoided, we try!

Trust me, I know what you are saying about the expense, and we struggle with that, but we feel that our health is more important than buying something with refined sugar because it's cheaper than something with organic cane sugar.

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I make ALL my own whole grain breads, rolls, cookies and other pastries. I use honey as a sweetener for my breads, for cookies and pastries I use Organic Cane Juice Crystals or Sucanat/Sugar Cane Natural (which is an alternative to brown sugar.

All the above aren't processed but are in organic form and free of junk. I don't make cookies very often, mainly on holidays or for special occassions, but when I do, I KNOW whats in them. I also use Organic chocolate morsels which are GRAIN SWEETENED. Really you can't tell the difference all that much and while it's still sweet, it's somewhat healthier.

I ALWAYS make my own breads though. I'm a diabetic and my bloodsugar spikes with most carbs. So making my own deliceous breads with my own sweeteners and no fillers gives me satisfaction that the ingredients are all organic, healthy, and won't spike my bloodsugars.

Hope those sweeteners help give you alternatives.

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I have found that even a little bit of sugar (or white flour for that matter) increases my cravings for it. I cut it out completely for about the first month. Now I occassionally put agave nectar in marinades or salad dressings, but still prefer not to. I'm an addict, apparently, as even a little bit seems to affect me. I know that I cannot completely avoid it forever, but the less the better, I think.

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I use honey mostly. I've yet to find Stevia or recipes to adapt to stevia from sugar. I don't like sugar b/c of the processing that it has been through, but do use flour - despite processing ( go figure)...
I'm NOT one for 'everything in moderation' I belive that if the Creator didn't make it AND if it's not found in Holy Scripture to be good for you then it ought not be eaten ( I am NOW adapting my life and my family's lives over to this philosophy). The more I learn about health and nutrition the more I am convinced of this. Honey is to be used in moderation as well - as it says in the scriptures. So I suppose sugar would be too - if you use processed sugar best used in moderation, as honey is a form of sugar.

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In my opinion, the more I eat clean, the less I even need sweetners of any kind. I used to need a tbls of brown sugar on my oatmeal. Now I just cook it with cinnimin and I don't even care to sweeten it. So I think, when it comes to bakeing a treat, you can find recipes that call for a little bit of real sugar. For example I made the spark recipe "sweet potato custard" It called for 2 TBLS of brown and one of white for then entire recipe (6 servings). I can't see how that tiny bit is really a problem. It seems to me that replacing the sweet crave with another source is not teaching yourself to not crave sweets.

Bob on Biggest loser once said, you can certainly have a piece of cake or favorite dessert......Once a week. Ahhh that was an eye opener for me! It's just another reminder of balance and moderation.

So....I hope my long ramble made sense. That's my opinion on the subject, but I guess you will get several different ones. Haha. That's the beauty of spark. It's about finding what works for you.

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Hi Ya'll,

I would like to know ya opinion on Sugar. yes its in nearly everything BUT is it as bad as its been made out to be?

I know Tova advocates using alternative sugars--in the balance act we all call life, is plain white sugar and brown sugar something to give up to sub it with an expensive alternative?

Yes, there are very good opinions on why to use Stevia vs Sugar.

So, any & all opinions are welcome

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"When you had your indulgent meal of {name it here} instead of going all out, WHY not turn it around right there?

Anyone who has successfully figured out that SMALL SUCCESSES make BIG SUCCESSES.

In an enormous act of love, the kindest thing you can do is walk away from this junk food.

The act of saying NO lays down a boundary of love. NO to junk food means YES to you, which after all is the point."

~~Tosca Reno~~



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