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Glad I could be helpful, Saundrella!
It takes a VERY small amount of Xylitol to get your saliva going. Like a pinch worth!

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Thanks for mentioning that. I'm having a harder time digesting, I'm supposed to be off gluten and milk for digestive reasons, so I think I'll pass on the xylitol.

It might not be bad for melting the meds, only. Doesn't hurt to give that a try. Thanks, MsMzz

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Saundrella~

Xylitol, because it does have an antibacterial action, as well as being a sugar alcohol (not as well digested as sugar, which is why it has a low GI index in the first place), you do need to introduce it gradually into your diet, and in small quantities, to see how your GI tract responds and to allow your body to adjust.

Or gas and abdominal discomfort can be a side effect.
Just sayin!

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I've seen the xylitol in the natural foods store. I think I'll give it a try. It seems with the PBC I am open to more infections so anything that helps keep any bacterial count down is a good thing. I usually swish with salt water at night. Haven't been doing that, lately. Interesting, because no one in the family has ever complained about my breath before. The only other time was when I had breast cancer. My breath smelled then. But let's not go there! :o) I'm going with the bacteria in my mouth for right now and will bring up the rest when I go for my 6 month check-up at Mayo. They check for liver cancer each time because it has a close association with PBC. Hey, a cancer diagnosis would not be such a bad thing for me. It would mean they'd automatically place me on the list for a liver transplant!

And what's with all this autoimmunity? Sorry, I'm getting a bit off track, here.

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I haven't heard about fishy breath from Naturethyroid, but I have read about a disorder some people have, processing choline, an amino acid. In that case the smell comes from their body as well.

Too much selenium results in garlic breath.
If you don't have thyroid antibodies, the RDA for selenium is 55mcgs.

You might want to try using Xylitol instead of chocolate and see if that works.
Its sweet but it has an antibacterial action, that's why its used in toothpastes as well as chewing gum, so it would prevent bacteria from growing in your mouth while the Naturethyroid is dissolving. It has a really nice, cooling aftertaste, a whisper of mint.

Xylitol is a low GI index a sugar alcohol, with half the calories of table sugar. Its naturally occurring in the bark of birch trees and corn husks. Its named from Xylem, one of two the vascular tissues in plants.


Meanwhile if anyone here has had this fishy breath problem after sublingual administration of thyroid hormone let us know... also what you've done to for it.

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Ms Mz,

Good info, all. I could very well have Sjodren's! I know I have osteoarthritis and hypothyroidism (with no antibodies) and curiously PBC (also autoimmune) without antibodies. 95% of the people who have PBC have anti-mitochondrial antibodies but not me! I also have dry eyes, have to wash my eyes every night and morning with a hot washcloth or my lids will start to itch and I will lose eyelashes. If I wash them and apply the heat, no problem. Weird, and part of the dry eye thing, I assume.I don't use artificial tears, I just assume the lid problem is a result of dry eyes that accompany the hypothyroidism.

As for the chocolate. I think it's something about the fat plus the sugar that works really good with the melting med job. I don't always have it on hand, naturally. Most of the time I just let it sit there in it's clumpy little chalky mass. Now, doesn't that sound inviting. My son just complained about my breath, this AM. Said it smelled kinda like fish and he said a strong smell. I know I've read if you get too much of this particular supplement, your breath smells fishy. I take a very good quality Krill Oil and I don't believe it's that. I never have a fishy taste in my mouth after taking it nor any burping that is associated with some fish oils. I'm wondering if the Nature-Throid melting down in front of my teeth could smell weird and I'm not aware of it! YIKES!! I know it has a particular smell, just smelling the pills in the bottle. My other son started swallowing because he said his girlfriend complained about his breath. It's fine now after starting to swallow his Nature-throid.

Have you or anyone else heard of having a fishy smell to one's breath from melting a dessicated thyroid med?

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Hey Saundrella~

There's an autoimmune disease calt Sjodren's Syndrome that reduces saliva as well as tears in the eye. Its also associated in some cases with arthritis and other difficulties. You know the saying about autoimmune diseases, they seem to travel in packs, having one tends to set you up for others. Then again is might just be natural aging that is causing a drier mouth. But if you can squirt saliva from under your tongue, you most definitely don't have that problem.

I discovered gleeking and trained myself to do it, several years ago when I was looking for natural ways of dealing with dry mouth.

Saliva is a valuable and underestimated component to good oral health and digestion. Its the first step in the digestive process, mixing with your food to begin digestion and lubricate food as it travels down the esophagus to the stomach. Additionally, it's alkaline nature buffers acidic erosion of enamal, it contains calcium ions, needed to recalcify tooth enamel. Without it the acid erosion from bacteria would strip the teeth of enamel within a few weeks. It also moisturizes the gums and keeps them healthy.

I like your chocolate idea. YUM.

Those who want to try Synthroid sublingually~

If you are taking Synthroid sublingually and having a problem with it dissolving, just break your pill into quarters. This can be done using a pill splitter or simply using your fingernails. There's a score mark on your pill that halves it. Just break it there, and half it again. I would recommend standing over a flat dark surface on the off chance that you drop one of the quarters while you are trying to break it. Pop all the pieces under your tongue. If you are doing this without the benefit of chocolate or sugar, you shouldn't need to brush your teeth afterwards. If you absolutely must, I'd say wait a hour or so to be on the safe side and use baking soda or a toothpaste without flouride for that one brushing. Also keep toothpaste an hour away before taking it, to optimize your intake.

I took my thyroid pills (Synthroid and Cytomel) last nite an hour before bed to see how long it took for them to dissolve. Synthroid is sweet, which automatically gets my saliva going, plus I've conditioned myself to do this. Both pills (quartered) were they were gone in less than 20 minutes.

I've been taking my pills this way since Spring 2011 (March?) and my thyroid numbers and TSH are great. Most importantly I feel good.

Once again, I don't encourage anyone to do this unless they are comfortable with it.
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I have the condition where I do not produce as much saliva as I used to. I became aware of this squirting trick years ago but am no longer able to do it like I used to be able to. I still think I produce too much saliva to keep the powdered pill under my tongue. It's been a long time since I've tried putting my med under my tongue, I mean years, so maybe it wouldn't get washed away with saliva like it used to, anymore. I used to be able to squirt saliva from the gland under my tongue without the tart/sweet candy prep, just did it! Now, I find the best thing that works for me are 2 or 3 tiny chips of bittersweet chocolate melted in with my med. I love chocolate! When I put it in the trench of my lip with the powdered nature-throid, the med dissolves within 5 minutes! Hey, that's just me. Just thought I'd put it out there for the heck of it. Everyone prefers their own thing. I just can't imagine waiting an hour for the med to melt.

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Saunderella~

I am wondering if the something sweet is to stimulate the saliva glands to dissolve the pill?

You can train your saliva glands to release saliva on cue.
There's a big gland under our tongues.
Its called "gleeking".
Its really a handy trick to learn.

Here's a Youtube on it. You won't want to be wasting your saliva by shooting it out from under your tongue... I'm simply showing this, because its been my experience that most people are unaware of this particular gland and its location, or the amount of saliva that actually comes out of the gland and this is an amusing demonstration.

They recommend using something tart to get the saliva flowing.
With training you will be able to bring saliva into your mouth voluntarily thru thought alone as I have... think Pavlov's Dogs.

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It will dissolve within ten minutes, sublingually, if you add the little bit of sweet something. That's my experience, at least. Then I'm good to go and eat when I want.

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Jane,

I agree, if your uncomfortable with monkeying around with your Synthroid, then by all means take it the way its recommended. Everyone needs to do what they are comfortable with, and do what works for own body and routine... we are individuals here!

For those that need a refresher, the recommended way is to take Sythroid is with a full 8 oz glass of water on an empty stomach. The reason for this is you need adequet water to get your pill to the middle intestine (jejunem). Nothing but small amounts of alcohol, caffiene, asprin and water are absorbed from the stomach, as the stomach is coated with a thick coat of mucous to protect it from the hydrochloric acid it contains. If you're not taking it with adequet water, then that tiny pill will get caught up in the stomach until you send food and drink down. Food and drink may interact and bind your thyroid medication. Wait anywhere from 30 -90 minutes before eating for your med to be in contact with the jejenum and absorbed.

People who choose to eat at the 30 minute mark, those people may need more medication than those that wait longer, because the pill is going to be in contact longer with the intestines. Keep vitamins, minerals, other medications, antacids, shakes or breakfast foods with a day's worth of calcium, iron, and vitamins, soy product, (especially soy milk or soy protien shakes), away by 4 hours to get the most out of your thryoid medication.

The key is to be consistant. Pick a method and a time and stick with it. This sets up a predicable rhythm, a circadian cycle of thyroid hormone release, which your body can rely on, and to which your dosage can be adjusted.

As for brushing one's teeth after taking the Synthroid or any other thryoid medication sublingually, I'd say use a non fluoride paste for that as the fluoride in it can interfere with your thyroid hormone. I do use fluoride tooth paste, just not around the time I'm taking my Synthroid sublingually. I use simple baking soda or a fluoride free tooth paste with Xylitol about an hour before bed, then take my pills sublingually and fuggetaboutit.

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I guess I will stick with taking it with a cup of water first thing in the morning.

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Thank you. I never knew you could take Synthroid that way. And back to the question of how long should you wait before eating?

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I take mine at nite under my tongue before I go to sleep.
An hour seems like a REALLY long time for it to dissolve... mine might take that long, but I wouldn't know because I'm asleep when its happening.

Possibly you could crush or break it into smaller pieces.

Come to think of it, that may be why mine dissolves so quickly.
I only take a quarter of a 125 mcg tab and a quarter of a 25mcg Cytomel.


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I take nature-throid, not synthroid and it has cellulose for a filler. I suspect synthroid does, too, and that why it takes so long to dissolve. Do you chew it up into a powder before putting it under your tongue. I chew mine up and place it in the trench between my teeth and lower lip. I would say it takes about 1/2 hour to melt if it gets enough saliva. However, if you take a little chocolate and put a few chips, down there, it melts in practically no time at all. Purr always recommends a little sugar but I find that too cumbersome. I prefer a tiny piece of something sweet, like a bit of candy or chocolate or anything that encourages salivation. I odn't like putting it under my tongue because it seems to wash away and I can't control swallowing the juices. I'm just offering an alternative. I can't imagine waiting an hour.

Better yet, try Acella! It has sucrose in it and no cellulose. I have to wait until my next prescription before I can try it, though. I think it's going to behave very much like the old Armour before they reformulated it with cellulose for a filler and no more sucrose. BAH!!

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My doctor recommended I wait one hour after taking it to eat. If it takes almost that long to dissolve anyway, I don't see why you couldn't eat right away.

I may not be there yet but I'm closer than I was yesterday.

I got tired of starting over and working back to where I was, so I have stopped giving up!

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Not sure. I was never told to dissolve mine under my tongue, only to take it w/a full glass of water & wait an hour before eating.

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So if I allow my Synthroid to dissolve under my tongue when can I eat? Right away or do I wait for a hour?

I found it took close to a hour for it to dissolve...

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