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12/20/13 11:40 P

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I'm new to this team as of tonight. I was wondering if you have tried the Adrenal Energy Soup from this dr that everyone's been talking about - not the soup but the dr.? I copied it down. I've also ordered his book. I told one of the tests and had 109 which was in the moderate range so thought I'd join here and read the book also.

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Giving up whet has certainly helped me too.
Glad to hear you are both feeling better.
No one knows our body better than ourselves
and listening to it is a wonderful realisation.

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I can dito that! I used to have heaps of problems - being extremely tired especially after meals, easily irritated, seemed to have balance problems, sometimes tinitus symptoms... on top of other problems with skin, digestions etc... cut out gluten completely for a whole year and was feeling awesome! Unfortunately I'm too much of a snacky person and a lot of the bad food has returned to my shopping basket ;-/ but I try to limit it and can definitely feel the difference!

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Hi everyone,

I am 100% cured of my 'adrenal fatigue'. I've been very unwell for over 7 months now (bed bound in July) and been diagnosed with AF by naturopaths and via self diagnosis. Allopathic doctors either didn't know what to say or suggested the possibility of CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome).


My cure? Cutting out gluten. Yes that's right. All of my AF symptoms such as extreme fatigue, foggy brain, balance issues, low stress threshold, irritability are also symptoms of gluten intolerance! I had no idea. Check out various celiac websites.


I figured this out while travelling in China where they don't eat a lot of wheat based food. All of sudden I was feeling good until I had a big bowl of wheat noodles one day.


Three weeks has passed and I feel amazing. 100% in every way. All symptoms gone. I haven't been tested for gluten intolerance but the drastic health rebound is just too convincing to ignore. I got my life back!!!!! Now within 15 minutes of ingesting gluten I'm back to AF symptoms and the rest of the day is shot.


If even a handful of you suffering these challenging symptoms are secretly gluten intolerant, I urge everyone to try cutting it out of your diet for a month and seeing what happens. It's no risk for the possibility of getting healthy again. I know how bad you're feeling. Will you try?


Same goes for CFS folks as the symptoms are so similar and I, for one, do not accept what the CFS societies say about, "start lowering expectations for your life" when they also acknowledge they don't know what causes CFS or how to do anything more than manage symptoms.


I'm with you. Good luck.


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Just did the test on the link and I seem to have the symptoms
of adrenal fatigue. I must discuss with a naturopath as my GP
says everything is nonsense.

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I was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue this August. I'd had it before and took DHEA and Isocort and recovered. It is really bad this time. My naturopath even said she doesn't understand how
I get anything done, my cortisol levels were the lowest she'd seen. Felt like I was dragging my body around all day.

This time Isocort made me itch, so i'm on Adrenal Cortex Fractions and ashawaganda, B vitamin complex and an adrenal tincture. It's been about 2 weeks since switching to adrenal cortex fractions and ashwaganda instead of isocort and about 12 weeks of taking supplements to treat this.

I'm a single mom of two school-age girls and I work full time. Has anyone been recovering from adrenal fatigue while working full time? I don't know how i'd get by if i don't work but I'm still dragging. The fatigue started progressing rapidly over the course of 9 months; I'm sure it will take atleast as long to recover but I feel like i'm not making much progress. I've also been on 60 mg Armour thyroid for several years; i keep forgetting to take my multivitamin at dinner because that is the only time i can take it with food that is 4 hours apart from the Armour. Would a multivitamin make a noticeable difference, anyway?

I welcome anyone willing to share their recovery experiences with me. I really want to get netter and don't know how i can do that while working full time, caring for my girls whenever i'm not working, i have no extra hours in the day for exercise as i currently give up washing dishes every night so i can make sure to get atleast 8 hoirs of sleep. I do best with 9 hours a night but how can I possibly sleep 9 hours, work full time, and get anything done around the house?

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did you test for hashimotos anitbodies
my thyroid tested normal and i spent $100k for ivf not knowing i had hashis, sometimes it doesn't show until the damage is done.
then when i turned 42, every fell apart and i couldn't walk for a block, drive and had severe dizzy spells. my dr said i had the flu.
i found a gyno who specialized in hormones (thinking i was perio) and he said this is what it is. I am on thyroid meds and can walk, run and feel better.

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Just sent in my saliva cortisal/DHEA test; I'm 99.9% sure I have adrenal fatigue.

Here are some on-line tests to see if you might have it:

www.adrenalfatigue.org/take-the-adre
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www.myadrenalfatigue.com/adrenal-fat
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This article gives three self-tests:
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My internist has a nurse in the group that works with hormone replacement. I've been working with her for a year now and was doing great till a major stress patch at work April - July. Managed to gain everything back that I had lost over two weeks and back to sleeping only a couple of hours at night.

She has me doing a lot of the same for the adrenal glands that the rest of you are doing, however, I don't see any mention of Phosphatidylserine (also called PS). She started me out taking 1 capsule about 1 hr before bed so I could go to sleep. (My coritsol starts rising about 9pm.) I could tell a difference almost immediately and got to sleep about 4 hrs./ night. She then bumped me to 1 capsule about 7 pm and the other right before bed and now I sleep about 6 hrs/ night.

My thyroid waves across the normal / low line, so this time she's added thyroid medicine while continuing the the vitamins, etc that she's had me on. We shall see - I go back in three months for evaluation. I hope this thyroid medicine helps.

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Hello everyone!
I also thought I was crazy...I was so exhausted every day, no libido, dryness, joint pain, foods causing all kinds of IBS type issues, hot flashes, lack of "good" sleep. And every day was a struggle and seemingly getting worse. I found a website (womentowomen) and I think I may be getting better! It is so true that each day is a new experience. I was never diagnosed by a doctor with adrenal issues, in fact they are still treating my hormone issues. But for a month I have been on a huge amount of herbs, vitamins, fish oil, progesterone, estrogen, DHEA and probiotics. My diet is very strict with veggies, some fruit, lots of water, lots of protein and some dairy..I may be able to eat gluten free bread soon. I seem to be getting back some energy. I was wondering when do you know you can transition from walking to more vigorous exercise??? I can't seem to lose the weight! I am feeling better but now the weight won't drop. Thyroid tested normal but who knows maybe I am on the low side of normal.?? Any advice would be helpful!!! PS this all happened when I turned 40 no symptoms until then....

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Do you have to see a naturopath to be evaluated for adrenal fatigue?

I'm feeling a bit better these days, but I still have some unresolved symptoms with no explanation.



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Cindy

Just saw that you had the saliva tests done back in. Was it the Adrenal Stress Index test. I was just reading this this article on it and was wondering if anyone had it done. www.naturalendocrinesolutions.com/ar
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I was diagnosed in May with Adrenal Fatigue (stage 3). I'm on a similar program as you. I was already taking supplements but the Dr. added DHEA and Pregnenolone as well. I declined taking estrogen or progesterone because I'm also hypothyroid and would have to increase my thyroid meds. Also, both DHEA and Pregnenolone are precursors to both of these sex hormones anyway.

I suggest reading James L Wilson's book on Adrenal Fatigue www.amazon.com/Adrenal-Fatigue-Centu
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After reading his book, I've also cut out oranges, raisins and mushroom. I'm having a more difficult time eliminating the little bit of organic cheese of my diet right now.

First thing in the morning I'm walking for about 20 minutes and then doing yoga for about the same amount of time. I incorporate light weights a few times a week to rebuild my strength.

The thing you have to remember is it takes time to recover. The more severe your case, the longer it takes. Be patient.

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Hi, I'm new here :) I started having horrible symptoms aka: foggy thinking, panic attacks daily, tiredness, itchy skin, memory problems, adrenaline spikes etc after the birth of my son 2 years ago... Sad to say I am still battling this. After going to numerous doctors and having viles and viles of blood taken with no answers, I finally went to a natropath who gave me a saliva test and diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue, and possible wilson's temp. syndrome. I am currently on a strict diet ( no grains, no sugar, high protein), progesterone cream durring lueal phase, vitamin C,B12,D,Calcium magnesium, Pantothenic acid, ginsing, Super adrenal stress formula, ANNNNDD a herbal tincture from my doc. Soooo.. still having symptoms, but have gotten a lot less. I just want to feel normal again. Does anyone have any advice for me? anyone find anything that works well?

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I just want to add my two cents worth. A month ago I thought it was just normal to feel tired and run down all the time but when I got to the doctor, the result was adrenal fatigue syndrome.

I started doing some research and trying some things. I stopped eating foods high in potassium like bananas, melons, figs, raisins, dates, oranges, and grape fruit. I also avoid deep-sea fish like mackerel and swordfish since they make my adrenal levels go down.

Fermented foods like cheese, mushrooms, and pickled foods are also a no-no if I want to keep adrenal fatigue away.

Slowly things have been getting better. My friend shared with me this program offered by the site:

www.adrenalfatiguenomore.com

I think I'm going to try it and I'll let you know how it turns out.

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I am taking more tests today and tomorrow. Today I had 2 Saliva tests; tomorrow will be more blood work. I am feeling better than I was and although the symptoms are still there, I feel a little better and I am grateful for what I get. I have started taking more supplements and doing all that I can to feel better. I made a mistake last night. I was hungry (as always) and I ate a bowl of Raisin Bran cereal. I was dragging around today...big mistake.
My heart goes out to each and every one of you that has this. This is horrible!
God bless you and yours-Cindy

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I'm almost done with the book "Stop the Thyroid Madness: a Patient Revolution Against Decades of Inferior Treatment" by Janie A. Bowthorpe. I am 100% sure that I have adrenal fatigue and am hoping/praying that my family doctor will take me seriously and listen to me. I have Hashimoto's and am also convinced that my current synthetic thyroid meds are no longer doing the trick. This book has given me hope that I can get well and be normal. A nice normal, not the stressed out raging lunatic normal that I am now!!!

I found that book after reading reviews on the book "Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms? When My Lab Tests Are Normal: A Revolutionary Breakthrough In Understanding Hashimoto's Disease and Hypothyroidism" by Datis Kharrazian. This is the first book I have ever read pertaining to my health. Reading it at first gave me hope. I wasn't crazy! My entire system is out of whack and it can be fixed! But the book made it seem that I would have to go through, IMO, dramatic changes, see a dr that for me was over 50 miles away, and most likely not have any of it covered by INS, which would put it out of my budget. All hope gone! (for my anyway)

Anyway, what I did get from BOTH books was more information. I can now take this information and go to my family doctor and NOT mindlessly accept what they say such as "oh, its normal, not related, you're getting older", etc. I can insist on being heard.

One thing I did try after reading Dr. Kharrazian's book is to decrease my carb/gluten/sugar consumption and increase my proteins. I do believe that has helped. I just don't know that I personally could handle the stress of a total elimination diet.

I will hopefully be posting at a later date, letting you all know that progress is being made! That my doctor listened to me or helped me find one that would. That I no longer have such trouble dealing with stress and no longer feel like I am in need major therapy or anti-depressants.

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I did not know that men suffer with this as well which makes sense if you think about it. I also read that a little 7 year old girl was going through this, poor girl. :(
Whats been going on with you guys lately?
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Welcome! Start by reading all the posts. Google Dr. Lam and Dr. Wilson and even Dr. Oz has information on Adrenal Fatigue. Most of us check in here every day so you do the same and you will learn slowly but surely.
God bless you!
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OMG I thought it was me that wrote this post including the Fabric softner Isle! I think I need to start treating for Adrenal.... Where do I start.......... I think it finally cliqued!

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I found one through my Naturopath doctor but I bet you can google to fine one in your area. There aren't a bunch of them. What state do you live in? I am in Arizona.

I am so very sorry for your loss. Yes, that kind of stress would put you right over into this fatigue. God bless you, honey. I hope you start feeling better soon.
I am struggling with this as well and taking one step at a time, one day at a time trying to get better...Cindy

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I was diagnosed with Adrenal Fatigue about 4 months ago but I think I actually started having problems about 2 years ago. It has been within the last 4 months when I started feeling so poorly that I felt like something inside of me just "broke" and I felt like I was dying. I had no energy, was having hot/cold sweats, very angry, very weak, extremely tired and sleepy but then I really could only sleep a couple of hours a night, not hungry but I did crave sweets. I did not know who I was anymore; I lost my smile, I lost myself in all this and I didn't know why. I don't get out much these days. I tend to spend most of my time in my bedroom or on the computer. I rarely leave the house as I am so exhausted.

I went crying (physically) to my primary care doctor and he said I was just depressed; I know my body and I knew that there was something else wrong; I knew if my primary doctor couldn't help me then I would have to help myself. I googled and prayed (alot) and found a Naturopath doctor. She immediately sent me out for blood work and ran a saliva test on me. My estrogen is high, my progesterone is low, my DHEA is low, my Vit D is low, my thyroid is fine. She is trying different things at different times to help me...it is a slow process and she tells me this every time. The Progesterone cream made me really angry so that was out. She created a Bi-est prescription for me and that was bad for me. I am on DIM (DHEA) 3x a day, Vit C (1,000 mg) 3-4x a day, Vit D (50,000 IU) one time a week. I am drinking protein drinks (non whey) and I do not drink cow's milk at all now (because of the hormones). I cut out all caffeine, and am watching the sweets (I had gained 21 lbs in 2 months), I take 2 naps a day (one in the am and one in the afternoon). I try to stay as calm as possible which is hard when you have 2 adult daughters and a 2 year old living with you. I have had four IV therapy's (which included tons of Vit C, B's and Potassium)
I got on SP and have been talking alot to the other people who have this and I was surprised that men have this as well. I googled Experience Project to Adrenal Fatigue and got alot of information on that site as well. I take day to day living, slow and easy and I am still looking for my smile. The Progesterone cream made me cry more; I got off of that and my doc put me on Cortisol Manager, that has helped hugely!
Just remember that this is a S-L-O-W process, trial and error. I had to get off a couple of my prescription drugs that I use for my lower back pain as they make Adrenal Fatigue worse. Nobody will know your body better than you (or your Maker).
My heart goes out to any and all of you that suffer with this. Hopefully we can put our heads together and get well together. God bless you and yours-Cindy emoticon
p.s. Google Dr. LAM; he has alot of great information on all of this and 'Adrenal Fatigue, The 21st Century Stress" is a great book to get!

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Hi,

I just joined spark-people today and it is so great to find this thread. But also so sad to see so many people suffering from this.

I have adrenal fatigue as well. It stemmed from living a somewhat stressful life including a near fatal car accident that left me with some permanent damage (though thank God it is not too bad), recovering from the accident with years of therapy, school, work, health issues and finally going years with undiagnosed Hashimoto's disease.

I am on Naturethroid, progesterone and florinef. I would really like to complete wean off the steroids (especially the florinef).

I would also like to naturally support my adrenals. I will read around some more to see what I can find.



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My Adrenal Fatigue was diagnosed about the same time. Something inside of me just felt like it broke. I am trying the Cortisol Manager as well right now and that seems to help some. I am on 50,000 IU of Vit D, DIM (DHEA), and Vit C. I was on Progesterone Cream but that wasn't working. The Bi-est wasn't working either; it made it worse.
This Adrenal Fatigue is awful.

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I was diagnosed with Adrenal Fatigue last September by an MD who specializes in Integrative Medicine. I have been taking Gaia Herbs Andrenal Health supplement http://www.gaiaherbs.com/products/detail/5
/Adrenal-Health- and I am supposed to be practicing relaxation techniques (yoga, meditation) a couple of times a day, but I haven't been doing so regularly. I really need to take the relaxation stuff more seriously. That doctor also put me on 2000 Vit. D, 600 magnesium, and a few others for inflammation and irritable bowel disease (GERD-like symptoms). I felt more energetic within 3 weeks of taking the supplements and then energy level fell again when I had to stop taking them in December due to thyroidectomy. I'm back on these supplements, but my energy level is irregular - still recovering from thyroidectomy and thyroid meds are not yet optimal.

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Since I was on here last, I tried the Bi-est (bio identical hormone) and I don't like it.
Guess back to the drawing board....sigh. I am still dragging but anything beats what I was feeling a few months ago, even from Nov-Dec. I just want to be myself again, is that too much to ask? Guess it is so I will have to settle even though I am not the 'settling' type.
How are you all doing?

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Had my 3rd IV Therapy and I think I feel better. I am still dragging but I know it will take time.
Also, I went to Dr. Oz's site and searched for Adrenal Fatigue and low and behold it was there! Ta Da! It had alot of good information. It's one of these health problems that is going to take a while to get out there like the fibro finally did.
I've been drinking the green smoothies and that seems to be helping a little.
Going to a Bio-Identical hormone replacement soon. I am in the process of weaning myself off of my hormone patch at present. SO, if I seem crabby, I am. Just sayin'. emoticon
Thanks for putting up with me!
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HeyCw!

Sounds like you finally got some answers to your questions now that you've seen this Naturopath.

Hopefully she/he's got you started on supplements and progesterone to get some of your more pressing problems under a bit of control. Chances are that it will take some time before you are feeling good again, no doubt you'll have to work closely with your Naturopath to heal...but then your health didn't get to where you are today overnite.

Something to remember when you're feeling down.

: )
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PS Hopefuloptimist... thanks for the tip on progesterone cream.



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I have gained about 20 lbs in 2 months and sleep? What's that? I catnap and thats about it. Oh and the big thing is I cry at the drop of a hat. My Naturopath doc says that I am high on estrogen, low on DHEA, low on Progesterone and low on Vit D. I am tired of being sick and tired. Mine is the Fibro and and Adrenal Fatigue. AND I have a bad back to boot. Oh yeah, life is good. emoticon Cindy

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I am going in for my 3rd treatment of IV Therapy. So far it doesn't seem to be working much but I have to keep the hope. I also am going in to see a pain specialist. I really dread that. The last time I went in to one (last week) I told him I had Adrenal Fatigue and he acted like I was crazy. I couldn't help but feel defeated and frustrated. I left sobbing. I sure hope I don't do that this time. I am having a rough time sleeping. I catnap throughout the night and thats about it. How about any of you? Does this mess with your sleep?
Thanks-Cindy

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Hi, thanks so much for this thread! I was going to start a question and instead you all have lots of questions and information out there~!

I'm looking forward to reading more in the morning and daytime.

Tomorrow I find out about whether or not I have adrenal fatigue.....


Thanks for this supportive team. It means more than you know!!
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Hello. I too have adrenal fatigue and fibromyalgia; this is horrible.
Please write anytime and we can share stories if you'd like.
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Hello, it could be lack of estrogen, I had a hysterectomy leaving one ovary in 2000, and in 2007, I got an itch that would not stop. This was when hormonal compounds became the rage. I got saliva tested for my hormonal level, and most were depleted. So I got the creme rub on estrogen and progestrogen and testosterone. I am now sure which one did it, but the itch was gone. I have read the progestrogen alone might get rid of the itch. This may help you.

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Hi Diana!
That Pemphigoid sounds absolutely horrible!
Your poor Mother, what a terrible thing to have to suffer with right before she passed on.
Let's hope that's not what you've got.

As for cortisol causing problems with the skin, I would think that inadequet cortisol would worsen any skin condition, rather than adequet or too much. Reason being that cortisol dials DOWN the immune response and that's what rashes are... an overreaction to something or other. It's also why Docs often give people cortisones(corticalsteriods) for allergic reactions... these meds are similiar to cortisol and damp down the body's immune response.

If you're having two oranges a day you should be good on your vitamin C!
Me... I mix some pure powdered C into my lotions and apply it topically as well as getting it from fruits and veggies. I've been doing this for the past 15 years or so. If you record your foods in the Sparktracker you can add vitamin C to the things you track and Sparktracker will let you know how much C you are taking in over the course of the day.

Yes, I do agree the entire body is extremely complicated....sometimes it amazes me all the things that CAN go wrong and don't... and I can certainly understand why any sort of rash on your own body would be cause for concern after the experience with your Mom.

Hope your skin is feeling better and soon!
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Thanks Mizzchief, Those are a lot of good points. It seems to happen when I'm stressed out.Do you think cortisol could cause this problem? And I do eat about 2 oranges a day, do you also think I need to suppliment with Vit C ? I know it does a person good to have enough of Vit. C. Anyway my mom had Bullous Pemphigoid just before she died and this is an auto immune disease that attacks the skin and she was just covered in itchy rash and horrible blisters all over. I think the dermatologist said it was genetic and it stated with itchyness under the skin for about a year before it even surfaced as rashes and welts. All she said is I'm itchy, I;m itchy. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. Now I watch for any itchyness, but it just has to run it's course. It's something that elderly people get and she was 87.This genetic harmone stuff is really compicated. Well thanks for your help, I will definately latherup. Thanks again. Diana

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Hi Diana!

My skin is very dry, too, particularly in Winter. Worse so now that I'm menopausal.
So I use a moisturizer or oil on my skin everytime I get out of the shower mixed with a bit of vitamin C and E.

Coconut oil is good, a little goes a long way.
Alternately I use a lotion made for eczema called Restoraderm. I don't have eczema, but I use this lotion as its formulated without parabens and fragrance, both of which can cause problems.

I would check whatever you want to use on your forearm for a week before using it all over your body since you are already showing signs of skin irritation.

Yes its a pain to have to wait,but if you wind up having an allergic reaction to whatever you're applying, you'll be thankful that you only applied it to your forearm... better safe than sorry...

I also make sure I am getting healthy fats in my diet.. Carlson's fish oil for DHA and EPA, primrose oil for GLA, nuts and nut oils for ALA and coconut oil for lauric acid. Also a good idea to make sure you are eating produce, getting adequet vitamin C as the substances found in produce are excellent for skin heath, vitamin C is essential to collagen formation.

You may also want to look at your laundry detergent and buy one formulated without dyes and perfumes... skip the fabric softener. These can be irritants for some people.

Hope you will be able to use some of these ideas.
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I guess this may be off target but I will throw it out here anyway, does anyone suffer from slin itchyness?? I have been itchy for a while now and was taking reactin for breathlessness ans it worked for both, but now I have like little pin pricks that are very itchy all over my body. Would this be a thyroid thing? It almost feels like measles and I have experienced this at random times since I was about 32 years old. Doc says it's dry skin.... Can anyone relate to this and have you got any answers for it.?? Thanks emoticon

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I have been using a cream named AdrenaStim. I bought it at my health food store and I think it really is helping me have more energy.
I've been low on energy for many years, thought it was my Fibromyalgia. Then this year I had a benign brain tumor removed and they were checking my Cortisol levels, had me on steroids etc. I wanted off the steroids so bad that I started looking up herbal remedies and went to the health food store where they recommended this AdrenaStim cream. I use it two times a day and I really have more energy.
Has anyone else tried it?

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How do you all differentiate Adrenal Fatigue and exhaustion from weight gain? I've gained about 20 lbs in 2 weeks. (Yeah I think somethings waaaay up, but never the less.) I am super tired, like a 3 hour nap + at least 8 hours of sleep at night, and don't know if it's because of the weight gain and just lugging around all that weight or if it's a thyroid condition deal.
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"normal" is between 0-3 i feel significantly better when I'm in the 1 range. I have more energy, less cramps/charley horses and clearer.

you may want to read the thyroid book by dr. kharrazian. it is actually possible that you could be diabetic or hypoglycemic, especially if your thyroid stems from hashimotos. but before that I personally would lean towards a need for T3 if you don't already take some form. I don't know what medicine you take but synthroid or it's equivalent is absolutely useless to me. I now take a compounded armour thyroid, you can find a lot of info at thyroid.about.com

additionally, you may want to check your adrenals. If you really want to understand more, check out that book i recommended above I think it will help.

I am now going to a holistic medical doctor. she is checking my adrenals & to see if I have any food intolerances, which I get the results to on wednesday, not looking forward to that =( and she already verified that I am iodine deficient... I've been taking a vitamin and so far so good

our bodies, as you know are very complex and interconnected. if one thing is in failure it will affect the rest of us. so we need to check what has been affected by our failing thyroids and compensate accordingly so that we can optimize our bodies.

hope this helps.

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I'm a tad overwhelmed by this thread but I hope to find some useful information in it. I am struggling with fatigue but my endocrinologist says my TSH, and other T values are normal. What is his normal though? His next suggestion is to test me for diabetes, which is ridiculous to me because knowing my eating habits and family history - there is absolutely no way I am diabetic or at risk. I work in medical technology and am always in physician offices, I get so frustrated when the doctors don't think I know a little bit about what I am talking about and order ridiculous tests that are just going to cost me more money.

Where's the one doctor in Denver area that will be able to help me without meeting my deductible on unnecessary tests?

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Thank you! I know it's so hard to find good doctors who think outside the box and address the body as a whole, not just treat the symptoms.

I have an appointment with a doctor next week, I hope she works out.

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I don't know where you live, but here in the Detroit area, I had to adopt a paradigm shift when it came to finding quality medical care. My integrative medicine doc (who does saliva testing) is 30 miles away from my home. My holistic doc is in Ann Arbor...well over an hour away. When waiting in her office for the first time, I met a woman who had driven all the way down from Alpena (4 hours north!) because nobody else was making her well!! So my approach to health care has changed...I no longer limit myself to my community but think "regionally" because my health is worth the effort.

I am recovering from adrenal exhaustion, partly the after effects of a hysterectomy a year ago, and partly due to my husband losing his job as a mechanical engineer in the automotive 7 times in 15 years. We lost our home. No wonder I had stress and adrenal exhaustion, right?

But my integrative doc is making me well! I am on bio hormones replacement and she caught the Reverse T-3 condition I had. I have gone from barely being able to function last August to having only a slight afternoon slump, just before I take my afternoon meds.

You may have to travel far to get the help you need, but I am here to remind you that YOU are worth the effort!! Too many of us will hop in the car and drive a long distance for something entertainment related, yet will balk and put on the brakes when it comes to finding a doc.

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Yes l have a Dr like that!--not interested! Doing the rounds soon to try to find a compatible GP--though in my town, Mildura, that's going to be hard to do. The 'oldies' aren't taking on any new patients, and the 'newies', all Indian or Asian, don't stick around for long! They don't do saliva tests here either, which l think is very backward. Reckon l find out more on the internet than l do from my Dr. emoticon

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I am so happy that I came upon this thread!!!

I read that book by Dr. Kharrazian and he talks all about adrenals and allergies. It was super informative. I ordered an allergy test for gluten, soy, egg and dairy. But I need to get the adrenal tests and I don't even know what else would be smart to check for. I've contacted a couple of naturopaths but they're ridiculously expensive and I don't even know if they're any good! So, now after reading this I realized that my compounding pharmacy has a nutritionist and a lot of those vitamins that can only be dispensed by a naturopath. I looked on their website and they do everything!!! YAY!!! I just called and he will be in later today. I'm making an appointment.

Thank you!!

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I've been reading some of the recent posts and realized that I should probably have a lot of these tests done but haven't because either I didn't know I should or my doctors haven't known how to test or treat my symptoms. I think it is quite likely that I have adrenal fatigue and that I should be changing my diet. I was diagnosed with hypothyroid 10 years ago. I had been on an antidepressant for a year and it wasn't working. The doctor didn't know a lot about treating depression and so had me go cold turkey from one to another. This caused me to plunge into a severe depressive episode which led me to the ER and then 10 days in a locked psychiatric facility. It was there that a doctor tested my thyroid levels and prescribed synthroid. I've been on it since then, but I have also moved at least four different times and changed doctors more times than that since. I know I need to adjust my diet. I drink diet coke and I eat too many processed foods. I've tried cutting back or getting off those things before and I know I felt better when I did. Stress and/or depression has often caused me to relapse.I also have joint pain which I'm sure has something to do with my diet. I don't know anything about adrenal fatigue. If anyone can recommend some good resources, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for listening/reading.

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Wow, what a great thread. I read through a lot but still would like to spend some more time here.

I went in to see a Dr. in November to test for Wilson's Temperature Syndrome and found out that I also had adrenal fatigue.

My test results revealed hormones that are extremely out of whack. My cortisol dropped off rapidly around 10 am causing my "crashes" every morning. All hormones were extremely low, although the progesterone deficiency left me with estrogen dominance. My TSH is high, T4 is a tad low, T3 is low and RT3 was extremely high. I was not tested for Hashimoto's. Test results show this is a hypothyroidism due to dysfunction in T4 to T3 conversion rather than production of thyroid hormones. I started treatments a few weeks ago. The Dr. says this is a result of adrenal fatigue.

As far as the adrenal fatigue, I'm on supplements Vit.D, C (lots), E, fish oil, CoQ10, B complex, pregnenolone, DHEA (sublingual 10mg), Bio PQQ, and others.

My diet has been revamped considerably and still under construction. First to go was caffeine, then coffee altogether. Sugar must be avoided because of the spikes of cortisol needed to lower blood sugar levels. Sugar and adrenals = BAD COMBO. I've cut out all grains and dairy, call it Paleo or call it common sense, whichever, it was a step I feel I needed to take. It's only been 2 weeks since cutting the grains and dairy out. I've also upped my fat intake (good fats). I read some where that those suffering from adrenal fatigue had "dried up" adrenals. Healthy adrenals are surrounded by fat. An important nutrient since almost all hormones are derived from fat. I've added coconut oil and chia seeds to my diet. I cut out foods that had added hormones and anti-biotics. I'm making the next step in a few days to order grass fed meats with a more natural omega-6 to omega-3 ratio.

I have noticed I'm not crashing anymore. I would expect to see my cortisol levels more normalized now. I feel the fatigue I feel now is more from the thyroid than anything else. But of course, it could be due to my lack of sex hormones. (supplementing Bio-identical at the moment)

I trained hard for 3 years to compete in figure (as well as dieted hard). I then started training for my first powerlifting meet. I had to stop 2 weeks before the competition in January - doc's orders. Since then I have taken pretty much OFF. It's been hard because I miss it - I loved training. I've gained a TON of weight back with so much ease, because I'm supposed to rest and eat, Add hypothyroidism to the mix and you have a recipe for disaster. I've worked out a few times, but I'm starting back up more consistently Monday.

Recovery has been said to take 1 to 2 years.

I now see many, many, many people making the same mistakes that led me to adrenal fatigue. It saddens me but for those that will listen I give warnings. Beyond fatigue comes many life threatening conditions. If a poor quality of life weren't bad enough, add possible death and it becomes much more serious and worth re-examining your lifestyle.

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Blood tests indicated a major problem. I take DHEA 3 times a week. Since taking DHEA, I am no longer having adrenal fatigue. Do have occasional sleep problems and need to take thyroid medication.

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Hi:

Great thread! I began to have issues with extreme fatigue a few months ago. I researched and thought I probably had adrenal fatigue and a thyroid issue. My local Dr ran labs and diagnosed me with Hashimoto's (the hypo-thyroid caused by immune system). She did not know how to treat me, her training tells her to either prescribe hormones or do surgery to remove the thyroid. For hashimoto's, hormone replacement is NOT recommended, according to Dr. Kharrazian, and since my thyroid is still doing it's best to function, removal is not a good option. I told her I would prefer to treat the hashimoto's with supplements and dietary changes, which is beyond the scope of her knowledge. She supports me in this, but she is leaving it up to me. She has already seen improvements, the goiter has gone down in size and she is impressed and told me to "keep doing what you are doing".

I have not been tested for adrenal fatigue, but I am diagnosing it myself, so there! lol! I have been using Dr. Kharrazian's book "Why DO I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms when My Lab Tests are Normal?" I think it has saved my life. I found a Doc who is trained by Dr Kharrazian by using the web site www.thyroidbook.com He will be my functional medicine doctor and will probably run labs for adrenal fatigue. I have been using the protocol in the book, which has led me to change my diet and add supplements. I did the detoxification program and I am still doing the elimination diet. So far, I have learned I am sensitive to tomatoes (probably other nightshades as well). I have completely given up gluten, except a few times I got some by accident, and I have eliminated iodine from my diet, and I am having no dairy at all right now but I have not tested it yet. I also eliminated all soy, and all caffeine. I have a cup of rice (long grain brown rice) every day and I love it cooked in coconut milk. I use coconut oil instead of butter. Yum! I am working on including steamed vegetables every day, and fresh, frozen, and dried fruit. I have one cup of frozen blueberries every day. I usually have a fresh salad every day with nuts and avocado. I am eating only hormone free lean meats. I am learning about the Paleo diet which is great for auto-immune disorders, but has also helped professional athletes improve their performance.

I take one serving of Clear-Vite protein/vitamin each day. I am also doing a b-complex, 5000 IU of vitamin D3, omega 3 fish oil with DHA and EPA, lots of vitamin C and fresh carrots for vitamin A. I take daily adaptogens which are highly recommended for hashimoto's and I also take royal maca, which regulates hormones. I am working on having a very healthy gut and this month I am taking olive leaf extract and oregano oil to deal with microbials. A healthy gut is really important for hashimoto's because it is an immune system issue, any ongoing low grade infections in the gut need to be dealt with. I am using glutathione cream and SOD skin lotion with vitamin A and E. The lotions are a big help! Right before bed I take my liquid calcium and magnesium, I read it helps protect the thyroid at night from the attacks from the immune system. I have been sleeping like a baby at night since I started doing this.

I am improving, but still not feeling 100%. I feel a LOT better than I did a few months ago. I think I still need help with the adrenals, and brain fog issues, so that is why I contacted a doctor trained by Dr. Kharrazian. The dr. is in another state but he takes patients from out of state because we can do the labs here and he can review them and make recommendations from a distance. I am looking forward to a comprehensive wellness plan. I think I have made progress, but I think I need guidance to heal my adrenals and the brain fog can be a sign of problems that can lead to brain damage from hashimoto's and I don't want to leave that untreated! I have also read that having mercury fillings in your teeth can be a big contributor to hashimoto's problems, and there are documented cases where changing the fillings resulted in the symptoms being relieved. So I am looking into getting a natural dentist and getting new fillings.

It is hard to say where the hashimoto's ends and the adrenal fatigue begins, but I think it all needs to be addressed, and it is all connected.

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My doctor recommended it. I take it 2-3 times a week, not every day. It seems to help.

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I also have frequent flare ups of tendonitis in my wrist, shoulder, along with plantar fascitis since being diagnosed with hashimotos. My family gp says "not related". My old endo says "there is still alot we don't know" so didn't totally dismiss it. She is no longer practicing so I have a new endo in March. If it's not related then why does my daughter's endo check her achilles tendons every time we go to him......hmmmmm!!!!!!!! Good luck finding answers.

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I just thought I'd do a little update. About 2-1/2 years ago my adrenals bottomed out. (I'm also hypothyroid and I believe that 5 years of non-treatment by my doctor for that combined with a job/boss from hell for 1-1/2 years is what caused the decline.) My naturopath at the time did an adrenal test, and my levels were WAY under the low end of the range all day until 11:00 pm when they're supposed to be almost nothing, so we can sleep! i was miserable, exhausted, would come home from work and sit on the couch trying to dredge up the energy to shower.

I quit the job, which was important step #1. I've worked a lot on eliminating any stressors from my life whether they be people, or too many committments, etc. I've been taking Adreset, an herbal adrenal blend for about a year off and on. I've done yoga at times, and am working on meditation. Oh and removed most of the caffeine from my diet as well.

Anyway, my doctor did an adrenal test a couple of months ago and I got the results. My cortisol is actually a tiny bit high in the a.m., but right in line mid-range the entire rest of the day. Very exciting for me, because it shows that these things CAN be fixed. It just takes time and patience.

I'm sure treating my thyroid helped as well, so it was a combination thing (and finding a cool doc finally). My weight is still up a little, but I'm working on that and feel like it's just taking time for all of my horomone levels to get back to normal. But feeling a million times better and feeling like I'm actually making some progress, which is nice after a LONG time getting nowhere! :)

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U may want to refer your Dr to this Article?
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I also do not have a thyroid issue but found this thread through searching for adrenal fatigue.
My GYN did the saliva test after talking with me about issues I was having with stress, weight, sleep interruption, hypoglycemic episodes,depression, no sex drive and feeling wrung out all the time.
They could not determine if my adrenal fatigue was on the downward side or the recovery side, but my Cortisol was low in some of the test. My DHEA was non-existent and my testosterone was high. I am on bio-identical hormones.
He suggested the Adrenal Recovery formula and a low dosage of DHEA. I started taking both and felt sick to my stomach a lot. I read the ingredients in the Adrenal Recover formula and it's porcine gonads, hypothalamus and pituatary glands. YUCK! I forgot to mention I am a vegetarian.
So after a couple of weeks, I quit taking them. It has been about 5 months now and I feel pretty crappy all the time.
I started taking the DHEA again and have ordered the Women to Women essential supplements and an herbal Adrenal support formula. I have started to wean myself off caffeine and am allowing myself to salt my food again. Yay for that!
I am trying to eat the way that is recommended, with protein at every meal and small meals more frequently. That seems to make me feel better. Also, I have added a probiotic supplement to my diet to help me with stomach issues.
I hope everyone who has posted will update us as they get help with this issue.
I would like to know how everyone is progressing.

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WOW! Great information here. I have just had tests for thyroid problems and found out I have Hashimoto's Thyroiditis and Type II Diabetes. My saliva test is not back yet and have also had test for DHEA levels not back. I thought i was losing my mind too! So tired all the time could not stay awake in the afternoon and even when I had a nap I was ready for bed at 8:00 pm. Plus having sharp pains in my feet and burning/itching both hands and feet - hard to sleep at night, irritable, dry hair and skin - hair thinnning, depression - all the good symptoms. Dr has me on prescription B for the neuropathy, injection for regulating blood sugar and another one for thyroid. they cut my thyroid med in half and added T3. Just started these Friday - so far not a huge change but pain in my feet is much less. My Dr is an endo and hopefully we can get this mess all straightened out. I have gained 30 pounds in past year and had MEGA stress following a car accident and head injury. Dr thinks the head injury may have exacerbated the thyroid/diabetes since endo glands are regulated my pituitary gland in the brain. What fun we all have!!!! I am nearly 60 but not ready to throw in the towel on life yet.
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