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6/15/11 6:47 P

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Hello & welcome! :)

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6/15/11 5:13 P

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Most people don't have my problem although I am not allergic to milk product. They just make my nose run and throat hurt.

It is getting easier to get raw milk these days in the UK but certainly not easy.

I still think that for much much longer than current nomads lived we did not domesticate animals and would hvae had a diet without milk. Domestication of animals is in the last little blink of an eye of our existence on this planet.

However all of this is not too important. Most people in the UK and US mostly eat a load of junk food which is very bad for them. if they could get rid of even 50% of it they would feel a lot better and they certainly don't need to think they need to give up milk and bread.

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6/15/11 5:05 P

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Pasteurized milk brings on many bodily problems. Some people have symptoms, others aren't aware of what it is doing to them. I don't recommend pasteurized milk or the support of any factory farming.

I use only raw milk as much as possible...I know this isn't a possibility for most people but that may change as the raw milk movement picks up momentum. Raw, fresh milk is like magic as are all the wonderful things you can make with it.

There are indigenous and nomadic peoples all over this world who LIVE on milk (sheep, goat, camel, yak, ox, cow, etc.). Thousands of people for thousands of years making the herding, skinning, shearing, eating and milking of these animals their mainstay. As far as I know these people, the ones who have lived in this traditional way are very healthy. Western habits of eating are making their way onto the younger citizen's plates as are western health concerns. The world is certainly changing.

I'm truly sorry Englishrose, that you can't tolerate milk products. You are not alone in that. I do know a few people who found out that raw milk was okay for them even though pasteurized milk wasn't. That might not be the case for you and in that you are not alone either.

I can't get passed the belief that most of our Western culture's health problems are caused by the severely "un-clean" food in our diets. I mean SEVERELY! Most people get their information about health and nutrition from food packages, magazines and TV. This is so, so sad as it leads people into horrible eating habits and bad health. The FDA and the USDA have been feeding this confusion and bad advice for almost as long as they have existed. Why? because the big food manufacturers lead them around by their pants.

Rant, rant rant! Sorry
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Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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6/15/11 3:55 P

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Yes, so with what in the US your ancestors on the prairies might have eaten in the 1880s. They would hardly ever have had sugar. They'd have grown veg, eaten meat or fish when they could get it and some very rough cereal or bread/ and beans. All those foods are cheap, good for you and available.

In fact man has had many many thousands of years eating foods before we discovered agriculture (and wheat) so the meat and veg and fruit and roots we would have dug up is probably our natural diet. In fact the diet of the UK from my childhood of eggs or bacon for breakfast, no snacks between meals then a meal with protein and veg (the English meat and 2 veg probably with some potato) wasn't too bad at all.

On milk, I always say it is much much much better to have a glass of milk than most of what people drink, much better than any fruit squash, colas, diet colas etc. If we could get children drinking milk not those other drinks we'd really help the US and UK with their obesity issues. However for me it immediately makes my throat swell up and when I stopped it and staretd eating clean I stopped getting 5 or 6 colds and sore throats lasting 3 weeks every winter which I'd had all my life. It just does not agree with me and remember a lot of people on this planet don't drink milk (often the thin and healthy ones) and the CHInese think we all smell because milk gives us a strange smell. I'm not convinced milk is that great for us but it certainly is a lot better than many other things and as it has so many vitamins etc in it we gave it free to children in British schools for decades as an easy source of good nourishment.

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6/15/11 3:44 P

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I love the last line.....FDA recommendations.......we all know that the FDA is ran by who has the most $$$ that week/month/year - right???

It has taken me awhile to grasp that but I understand now!

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6/15/11 1:08 P

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I offered my horse some milk when I was a kid and she lapped it up with glee!! I think many animals will consume milk when offered it. They just don't know how to do milking like a human does. Cats LOVE milk. Dogs LOOOOVE milk. Chickens love milk and they're not even mammals. Maybe frogs don't like milk; never offered some to one...LOL!

Sorry, I just go off whenever I hear that talk about people being the only adult mammals..... stuff. It just doesn't seem to fit reality...in my head anyway.

I don't eat bread either; or hardly at all anyway as it raises blood sugar and, well, almost all grains will do that to one degree or another. I used to absolutely LOVE Wheetabix. If you're going to eat a commercially prepared cereal I believe that's a good one to pick.

But, as we have all said, each person must choose for themselves what they think is "clean". I feel the "Clean Eating" publications (like Tosca Reno's stuff) are just a good place to start but they don't tell the whole story and are often not even correct about what foods are the most nutritious. It's a learning process.

I say, get on board and see where the idea leads you. I hope it leads you to REAL food that you can recognize by yourself and not have to be led by popular ads and FDA recommendations.

Edited by: ANIDUCK at: 6/15/2011 (13:08)
Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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6/15/11 5:18 A

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I think you need to find your own way. At one extreme would be people not eating any food which is even cooked or processed at all.

I don't eat bread which even here in the UK has all kinds of things added to it and often has qutie high sugar levels too. That is because I am intolerant of yeast but bread is certainly a fairly processed food. I don't touch breakfast cereals either as I seem to be happier with more protein anyway. Many of them contain sugar. Even some with no "sugar" on tbe packet have gylcerine and all kinds of sugar stuff packed in there. I don't find milk agrees much with me either (and we're the only adult mammall on the planet which has milk after weaning) so I avoid that. So milk bread and cereal are just foods I never eat but lots of people do.

The bottom line is that a bowl of weatbix with milk is a lot better for you than a pack of biscuits/cookies. It's just a matter of degree. Weatbix has sugar in it. It is a processed food. It is not really eating clean.

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6/15/11 5:02 A

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You're right that there is no silly questions - we've all got to start somewhere! Thank you for all your advice it will be really helpful when I go shopping later today. The link you sent RHONDALYN10 was especially useful so I'll definitely be taking that with me.

I was just confused as to products such as bread because even the majority of wholegrain products contain various ingredients. I currently buy Burgen Soya and Linseed bread which I think will be acceptable. I'm also glad to see weetabix on the list as that's a breakfast I would definitely miss!
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6/15/11 1:31 A

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Yes, avoid complicated foods.

Typical meals for me would be a breakfast with eggs and bacon and a bit of brown rice

Lunch would be grilled salmon, corn on the cob, spinach and brown rice or small potatoes in skins.

Dinner chicken, another "brown" carb carrots.

Then I eat fruit too.

I only drink water but that's my own preference.

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6/14/11 10:00 P

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Clean Food:
First, eliminate the word "lean" from in front of "meats". When you are eating real and "clean" foods you don't have to focus on the old popular messages.

What you want to look at mostly is plain, fresh, real, naturally offered food. Okay, that may seem confusing as many food manufacturers will use those terms on their packages, cans, bags and boxes. There you have your first clue.

Eliminate as many food items from your diet that come in packages, cans, bags and boxes. When you do get something in one of those read the ingredient list, not so much the "nutrition facts" because if you are eating food that is nutrient dense you won't be so concerned about those "nutrition facts" because you will soon learn that they aren't really very helpful.

"Clean", to me means clean of all man-made, chemical, refined, over-processed, toxic stuff. Clean means just plain food that comes from the earth and left as close to its original form as much as possible. e.g. white bread vs. 100% whole wheat bread with no preservatives, dough conditioners or any ingredients that a normal person wouldn't have kickin' around their own kitchen. It means margarine vs. real butter. It means canned asparagus, or some frozen concoction that happens to have some asparagus in it vs. fresh asparagus . It means junky yogurt like Yoplait vs a yogurt that only has milk and yogurt cultures in it--that's right; only 2 ingredients--add your own honey and/or vanilla and/or fruit.

Not everybody who follows the "Clean Eating" style of eating does it the same. It all depends on what you want to have "cleaned" out of your food. It's really pretty personal.

But if you hang around on this team you will get a lot of ideas and certainly an education about all the junky, toxic stuff that is in most all the food offered in grocery stores and fast food places.

Welcome to the team!
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Edited by: ANIDUCK at: 6/14/2011 (22:06)
Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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6/14/11 8:40 P

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Hi!
Welcome to the team!
First - no such thing as a dumb question.
Second, there is tons of info. But an easy start:
www.eatcleandiet.com/tools_and_suppo
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Under the resources there is an ECD grocery list. I am sure it is not all inclusive but it is a great place to start and get your feet wet.

Hit up your library as well. And search the internet. And don't be afraid to ask questions!
We are all a work in progress - or at least I am!

Rhonda, Simpsonville, SC

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6/14/11 8:07 P

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Okay so this might seem like a totally dumb question but I only joined the team today and this whole concept is completely new to me.
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What exactly IS a clean food? Are there any set rules which makes foods 'allowed' or not such as number of ingredients or not including a certain product? I know some of the foods which play major roles in eating clean such as fruit, veggies, lean meat, nuts etc but I'm not sure where to draw the line. I'm going shopping tomorrow to fill my cupboards for this week but I don't want to get to the supermarket and realise I don't have a clue what to buy!
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