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11/21/10 6:01 P

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We live on the basement floor so no patio or balcony. I would worry that neighbors would steal anything I tried to put outside as it's a community courtyard. I just don't trust people around here much. And I've tried to grow herbs before but they died lol. I might have to give it another try in the spring. That recipe sounds delicious! We just might have to give that a try. My husband tries everything I make and usually likes it, something I'm very thankful for! Last night I made sweet potato fries and a macaroni and cheese bake. My first clean meal! I intend to post pictures soon :)


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Do you have a balcony or patio? You can still grow on a small scale - you can do tomato plant in a floor planter, you can grow salad greens in a window box and you can do an herb garden with just a few small pots!

I do plan on getting more hens in the spring. Our winters can be pretty harsh so I'll wait.

I tried making a new dish tonight - spaghetti squash, sliced mushrooms, sliced onions and sliced Al Fresco Brand All Natural Sweet Apple Chicken Sausage. I cut the squash lengthwise and scooped out the seeds. I seasoned it lightly with ground pepper, garlic and onion powder and baked it for about an hour. After the squash was done I let it cool for about 10 mins - while it was cooling I carmelized the onions and browned the mushrooms in a pan with just a swirl of EVOO for about mins or so and then added the sliced sausage for another 5 mins. Then I pulled the squash "spaghetti" strands with a fork in to a bowl, spooned the shroom/onion/chicken on top and then grated a little parmesan/reggiano on top to give a little bite to counter the sweetness of the onions & squash.

I liked it and hubby says it's a "keeper"!

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11/21/10 3:41 P

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Oh, you're right! The labels on chicken say hormone free, but you ignore it because they aren't even allowed to use hormones anyway! Thanks for clarifying that I'm so glad you said something. My memory is just terrible. I should write more down.

We have a butcher shop right down the street from where I work and the owner is a customer of ours. I'll have to ask her where they get their meats. I'd bet it's probably local. And I have been wanting to start a garden for years but unfortunately I live in an apartment. I wish we had a house where we could grow organic and have chickens. That sounds wonderful! Do you plan on getting more? I'm sorry about what happened :(


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11/21/10 12:08 P

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Oh! Chickens are so much fun! I can't wait t get settled on our own property again. Chickens and a big garden our FIRST, for sure!

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11/21/10 1:17 A

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WOW Christine!! You are on a roll for sure. I'm jealous of all your wonderful food availability. It sounds absolutely wonderful--especially the meats.

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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Great info everyone! Thanks!

I've heard alot about Whole Foods and CostCo and maybe some day I'll have the chance to visit one and see for myself! Sadly, none of the stores mentioned so far are anywhere near me! I am truly out in the boondocks! I am a member of a food co-op but it's more than an hour+ drive away so I only get there once in a blue moon, but I do have access to several Farmers Markets.

We do have a Meat Store in the area that imports grass fed bison, (which is my red meat of choice) and they make a point of carrying significantly more locally raised or grown than trucked in. Most of the fresh items in the store are from with a 50m mile radius here in Upstate New York (waaaayyyyy Upstate!)or just over the border in Vermont (we are only about 30 minutes from the border) I've gotten some lovely goat cheese and venison at this place (when our friends weren't successful in bagging a deer during the season)

I had my own chickens that I let free range and had a hen house that they could roost in at night if they so desired, but sadly some predator (I think it was a fox or a fishercat) killed them both a few weeks ago. (broke my heart)

I finally had to purchase some eggs from the store for the first time in years and even though I got brown eggs that were suppose to be organic, free range, etc. they certainly didn't taste as fresh as the ones my girls put out! :-(

I plan on getting some hens again in the spring and next year I intend on putting in a bigger garden to grown my own salad greens, squash, tomatoes and snap peas.



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11/20/10 10:04 P

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We shop almost exclusively at Costco and Sprouts (a local Whole-Foods knock-off). A couple of things that people haven't mentioned at Costco are frozen fruits (we love the mixed berries for protien shakes) and bananas (if you can't eat them all, throw them in the freezer and pop them in smoothies too!), wild salmon (when we can find it), organic milk and eggs (I have no problem separating the yolks and we eat SOOO many egg whites!) Before I became gluten-free, we also used to get our steel cut oats there. They've got a great roast chicken on those nights that I'm working late - gluten, hormone & MSG free. Off-and-on you can find a fantastic sheep's milk feta. Occasionally I splurge on Larabars too...

At our Sprouts, they've got lots in bulk. I don't know if bulk is an option for you anywhere but we pick up a lot in bulk - much more cost effective and you can re-use bags - we get our brown rice, quinoa, dried fruits, dried beans (I make a mean bean soup!) and, in the old days, Barley. They've also got extremely reasonable prices on smaller portions of Feta and fresh mozzerella as well as gluten-free chicken sausage. All these vary from dirt cheap to reasonable.

And, as everyone else have said - produce, produce, produce!

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11/20/10 8:36 P

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Well actually, the hormones they put in the animals feed may very well affect the humans that consume the animal products. Only beef and lamb are subjected to these growth hormones. The FDA doesn't allow the use of hormones in pigs, chicken, turkey or other meat birds.

There is some great concern about how quickly young people are developing into puberty. Much research is being done and the EU has a ban in place against beef and lamb from the US that has been treated with hormones. That's enough to make me not want to eat it.

But, like Laura, I get all my meats from local neighboring farms and occasionally from a well trusted health food store.

A word about saturated fat: it's not as bad as the mass media and market will have you believe. All the studies concerning the negative effects of sat fats were done with pooling mostly trans fats in with animal fats. Trans fats are saturated fats but not all saturated fats are trans fats. It's the trans fats that are the bad ones. Look for "hydrogenated" or "partially hydrogenated" on the ingredients list and avoid any product that contains them.

Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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11/20/10 8:02 P

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No. Meat doesn't have to be organic for it to be considered clean. And, the meat I get isn't certified organic. But if you have a choice to get meat that is pasture fed, hormone and antibiotic free, then you are getting something that may be better than a store bought "organic " chicken (for instance)
I laugh when I go to the grocery store and the package of beef has a big sticker that says "GRAIN FED". Cows eat GRASS.
I buy chicken, turkey, pork, beef and free range bison right here locally. None of it is certified organic but I feel it's better than what's available at the grocery store. But, again, if you don't have those options available, look for organic, or pasture fed, free range or hormone free labels.

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11/20/10 7:49 P

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Wow, everyone has such great replies! I did get a bit of a start on the organic to-buy list. I like apples, pears, and bell peppers so I'll be saving those items for trips to the health market. They had them available frozen, so I won't have to take too many trips. And I am a meat eater. I prefer white meat, I don't like the taste of red too much. Plus it's higher in cholesterol and saturated fat (yuck!). I think the thing I'm most interested in finding out is how to get real organic free range chicken. I saw a Dr. Oz special about how the package may say free range but they may only let animals out five minutes a day and call it good. And hormone free doesn't have any meaning either because the hormones don't effect the consumer. I think I was to understand that certified organic is the only way to go and that it's only a bit more per lb. Did I get all that right? I'm still a bit confused by it all. Does meat have to be organic to be considered clean?


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11/20/10 6:33 P

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Here's the link to EWG's Dirty Dozen list download
www.foodnews.org/walletguide.php

Laura has it RIGHT. When we choose simple, natural, fresh, real--life gets actually simpler and cheaper not to mention the obvious; healthier.

If you are just starting out make very simple dishes of meat (if you eat meat) or some other high protein thing like eggs and/or beans. Serve it with a whole grain like brown rice or whole grain pasta (easy on the grains if you are trying to lose weight) and a vegetable or two. If corn is your vegetable then it's better to not serve a grain as corn affects our body the same way grains do. Choose another veggie instead like spinach or other green leafy vegetable or a green salad.

Clean salad dressings are hard to find; I don't even bother but make my own instead: drizzle on a little olive oil, toss, drizzle on a bit of your favorite vinegar and your favorite herbs/salt/pepper, toss again. Cheap, healthy salad! Want it creamy? Add just a smidgen of mayo or yogurt.

Keep it simple, stick to this team and soon you will be putting together scrumptious and healthy meals.

Edited by: ANIDUCK at: 11/20/2010 (18:34)
Hospitals are terrific for traumatic care; for acute care. They do a really, really good job in saving lives when it’s a sudden bleeding emergency. But in terms of chronic care, they’re terrible; (that is) in terms of the illnesses that most people have, endure, that cost the most money, that last the longest and ultimately die from. -Dr. Andrew Saul


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11/20/10 4:34 P

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Laura's right, the more whole foods you eat the better. It also means less packaging which means less waste. A win-win situation for you and the environment. As far as shopping I don't shop at any of the stores you mentioned except for the occasional Whole Foods visit so I can't help you there. But if you are on a budget and want to try organic I recommend you check out the Environmental Working Group's dirty dozen list - I don't have the link handy. They list the foods that have the most pesticides and the ones that are clean - a great resource when you are no sure what to buy organic, or need to shop on a budget.

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I find almost everything I need at Costco. Protein bars and powder, egg whites in cartons and I keep them frozen, skinless chicken breasts, fish, tuna, greek yogurt, supplements...

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I have found that it is difficult to find coupons for whole, clean foods. I don't buy packaged foods. I go to the produce section and buy fresh fruits & veggies. I buy my dairy, eggs & meat direct from a farm, and most other foods like nut butters and flours from the health food store.
Since you are just starting clean eating, my suggestion is to stick to the outer perimeter of the store. Go to the produce, bakery, dairy and meat sections. Avoid the centre aisles except to get cleaning, supplies, baking supplies/foods and staples like beans, brown rice, oatmeal.
You will find that it actually costs a lot less money for food to eat this way. It will also cost less money down the road for things like medical expenses and prescriptions also.

Let us know what you buy.

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11/20/10 3:30 P

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Ooo, I'm so glad you made so many suggestions! I just found a health store in our area and we did some shopping. They have a whole wall of grains that you can buy whole or grind and you can even make your own peanut butter! But while stores like that are great for finding certain things I will only shop there for what I can't find at price chopper. I am too in love with my savings lol. Those chopper shopper cards are fantastic!
Thank you for the website suggestions! I'll check those out asap.


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Check out the websites of some of the products that you come across and you can sometimes find coupons!

I just checked out Pacific and they have coupons AND some recipes I want to try!

www.pacificfoods.com/

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Hi Thats_Lovely101!

I have only just joined this board and am new to clean eating and I shop at Price Chopper, so maybe as we both uncover what they have we can share the info with each other!

A few items I just bought and have tried: Imagine Natural Creations Organic Creamy Potato Leek Soup (I've never had leek soup before so I don't have any thing to compare it against but I enjoyed it)

It wasn't labeled "organic" but I bought a loaf of Heidelberg Pumpernickel bread. The ingrediants listed Unbleached flour, water, pumpernickel meal, yeast, salt & carmel coloring. It said "No preservatives or additives" so I thought it was a pretty good choice????

The have Ezekiel Sprouted Grain bread in the freeser section. I haven't tried that yet, waiting either for a sale or a coupon.

They also carry Organic vegetable Broth by Pacific Natural Foods and I have been using that to cook my grains or steam my vegetables and as a base for my stews/soups.

I'm not much of a baker either but I did buy Hodgson Mill 100% stoneground Buckwheat Flour to try my hand at Buckwheat Pancakes. My hubby's fave Sunday breakfast is pancakes & sausage or bacon. When he makes it he goes and buys bisquick & Oscar Meyer Bacon (ACK!) so tomorrow I want to take over and try using buckwheat for the pancakes, I bought pure Maple Sugar (from a local maple farm), and organic bluberries. I bought Jones All Natural breakfast sausage (no artifical preservatives or additives, instead of bacon). I'm going to try to find an even healthier sausage or bacon option at some point but for now this is at least a step in a better direction.



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Hey everyone, I've been on Spark for about a year now and have recently decided to check out what clean eating has to offer. My only concern is that a strict clean diet will be expensive and I live on a very tight budget. If I go in I want to go in all the way. So, for those of you Sparkers that shop at Hyvee, Price Chopper, and Costco will you please give me some suggestions of brands of grains and dairy products to supplement my fruits and veggies? I HATE baking with a passion and would prefer to find pre-prepared whole grain breads when possible. For those of you that shop in these stores, please help? I am nowhere near a Trader Joe's or Whole Foods (I don't even think there's one in my state, let alone my city). I hear so many great things about these stores, so I'm totally jealous! Ideas, please??


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