Fitness Minutes: (4,285) Posts: 38 1/29/12 7:35 P
so i put her goal weight (75kg) and put 80% meat, 20%vegetables and fruits in my raw food calculator this is what came out:
muscle meat: 1417.5 grams per day organs: 1102.5 grams per week bones: 1575 grams per week
fruits: 945 grams per week vegetables: 1102.5 grams per week lettuce: 1102.5 grams per week
ground egg shell: 77.25 grams per week OR calcium citrate: 125.25 grams per week
this is what she needs to get a wholesome healthy diet.
i feed my dogs twice a day and in between they get a few healthy treats.
from the prairies of saskatchwan
current weight: 182.0
Fitness Minutes: (35,078) Posts: 144 1/28/12 12:47 A
Thank you everyone - there is so much information out there, WHATAZOO and CHEBBA, I'm going to check out the names and sites that you recommend. LMB100, I'm going to make some meatballs for her, I don't know if you experienced this with your dog, and I am very sorry for your loss, that there are days with less than great appetite. The meatballs could be good incentive.
3HOURLADY, I came across Dr. Dressler's cancer diet and have read the free e-book. Lots of information!
KNUTSCHPERLE, Winnie is 70 lbs but really need to be about 75 lbs. How do you portion the food vs kibble? Winnie would have gotten 1 1/2 cup in the morning and about 2 1/2 cups for dinner in kibble.
Based on Dr. Dressler's cancer diet, I'm cooking for her. He had a blurb in his diet about that while raw meat is great for a healthy dog and they don't have an issue with fending off possible parasites that naturally may occur in the meat. Dr. Dressler's thought on cooking was that why have your compromised dog spend energy on fighting that risk in addition to the cancer. His recommendation is to simmer slowly so that the nutrients are not lost by rapid cooking and high temperatures. I read a raw cancer food diet, but that added in a ton of herbal supplements to combat possible parasites. While I'm ok with herbal supplements I got nervous about possibly overdoing one or another and then causing more harm than good...and what if they don't agree with each other? So it appeared easier to simmer the meat. For the veggies, I steam them and then puree them with the water from the steaming so that I'll capture most of the nutrients. I read that because their stomachs are shorter than ours, pureeing will make the nutrients more available for digestion than bigger pieces.
I've also learned to stay clear of the veggies you listed as well as carrots and peas since they are all high carbs. Brown rice and steal cut oats were recommended so I've added them in. While they both have carbs they also supply other benefits to help fighting cancer.
I really appreciate everyone's input - there is a lot of info out there and I feel like her time is just slipping away. She's such a sweet girl, most deserving of a better outcome than this.
I started a Facebook page for her - it's a public page - The Bullmastiff Spa - to tell her story.
We have also shipped off blood to two different cancer research studies, the Broad Institute and Dr. Breen's study. Maybe we can help find a cure for this cancer?
My heart goes out to you. I lost two of my dogs a year ago to cancer. I've had dogs for 50 year (I'm an old lady!) , and I never lost one to cancer before. There is a good vet website, Dr. Dressler, the dog cancer veterinarian. He has a free ebook about what to feed a dog with cancer. One really important thing he says is that typical dog kibble is extruded at very high temperatures, and this creates carcinogens. My personal opinion is that beef and chicken are full of bacteria from factory farming, so that's why the meat is heated up to such a high temperature now. But that's just my opinion. Anyway, I fed my dogs a BARF raw food diet (biologically appropriate raw food) for a while, the dogs loved it, but it got to be a lot of work so I went back to regular dog food. My Rottweiler is the one who developed the cancers after I stopped the raw food diet. So now I make my own food. It's not raw, but it's a vet approved diet for healthy dogs,and it's easy to make. It's rice based, so it might not be right for your dog. But for dogs without cancer it's nice.
I'm so sorry you are going through this. It's a heart breaker, and my prayers are with you. Try to check out Dr. Demian Dressler if you can.
Fitness Minutes: (4,285) Posts: 38 1/26/12 12:13 P
very sorry for the bad news. :(
i feed my dog raw since about 4 years now and i can say it's the best i could have done for them. why only care for our own healthy diet, why not feeding our dogs the healthiest. and yes, grains are not good for dogs since they feed cancer. but with raw food, you know whats really in your dogs bowl and it is very easy to feed them grain less.
steamed veggies and cooked meat though doesn't sound like a "raw" diet to me. i do not cook anything for them, since this will disturb all the good vitamins and minerals for them. in nature, nobody cooks the meat and the veggies for the wolfs. the veggies are in the prey's stomach, just puree, since they chewed it but it's raw.
so here is what i do. i feed my dogs twice a day. they get a certain amount of meat (i would need to know your dogs weight) and then i either add an eyeballed amound of pureed veggies and/or herbs like (basil, oregano, parsley, chives...) and/or one or two tablespoons cottage cheese. also in some bowls they'll have 1 teaspoon canola oil or olive oil and also 2-3 raw egg yolk per week.
yummy and healthy raw food treats are pureed fruits, unpureed veggies like carrots and cucumber and nuts :) mine love all kinds of nuts and all nuts have good benefits. i guess nuts are not good for a no carb diet but for anybody else that wants to feed their dog raw ... nuts are good. you can also dehydrate fruits and meat to give as treats in between.
dogs are not allowed raw avocado, grapes, raisins, unripe tomatoes, raw potatoes, onions, and too much garlic. garlic just in very little amount depending on the size of the dog.
from the prairies of saskatchwan
current weight: 182.0
Posts: 10,127 1/26/12 7:40 A
I don't know anything about raw food diets for dogs, but it makes sense that carbs feed cancer. I will say that I am very sorry about your baby's prognosis. I had a greyhound with hemangiosarcoma -- we found it after her spleen ruptured -- and it is nasty. I am sorry to say you are in for a rough ride and I wish you all the strength and good wishes in the world.
Fighting cancer will cause weight loss and there will be times when she won't want to eat. I have a recipe for a high fat high protein meatball somewhere. Let me know if you'd like that recipe and I'll see if I can dig it up.
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Fitness Minutes: (2,524) Posts: 503 1/26/12 6:40 A
In haste as am dashing out. However, two things which I strongly urge you to do:
1. find a copy of Juliette de Baraclai Levi's 'Natural Rearing Handbook' - boy, is this woman amazing. Sadly she died in the past year or two but all that she says about natural feeding is superb. It may help. (the Beduoin biscuits recipe is fantastic, my dogs will take my arm off at the shoulder to get them! Haha!)
2. PLEASE research 'CV247' - it's an amazing treatment which was devised by the late and famous holistic veterinarian, John Carter, here in England. It has been so successful that several practices use it over here, the British Medical Association is studying it in respect of humans - and it proved to be so effective that it is pretty much a standard treatment for dogs with cancer in, if memory serves me right, Hungary. It's a mix of NON-prescription drugs, albeit the preparation in toto has to be obtained by veterinary prescription. Research it on the internet, you may be encouraged by it.
Please get back to me if I can offer any more information or help. And let us know how your girl copes. Our girl has a pancreatic tumour, another rare cancer impossible to treat, so this non-invasive treatment is shortly to begin, as soon as it arrives.
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Posts: 41 1/26/12 12:26 A
I feed a raw diet as well. I don't have a dog with cancer currently, but believe that the carbs do feed a cancer. I would highly recommend the yahoo group K9 Nutrition. pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9Nutrition/ The owner of the group has had dogs with cancer, and I know several people on the group have gone through it as well. Very supportive of all types of feeding, especially raw. Good luck with your girl... Stephanie with Mack and Minnie
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Fitness Minutes: (35,078) Posts: 144 1/25/12 11:59 P
I had some other really bad news for my foster dog, a 4 or 5 year old bullmastiff girl that has been with us since November.
My vet performed a physical exam in December and they found a lump on her spleen on physical exam. A return visit to check on her ears (again), with the other vet at the clinic. He felt the same lump on her spleen. We decided to do x-rays which reveled a mass on her spleen. The rescue group and the vet decided to operate to remove her spleen.
Unfortunately the biopsy results was positive for hemangiosarcoma, a very aggressive cancer that is within the artery walls. Her prognosis is very poor. Mortality rate is 93% within 12 months of diagnosis. Hope is that she will be within the 7% that will get more time. Maybe because the mass was caught before it ruptured, which is normally how you find out about these things as the tumor ruptures and the dog goes down. I'm devastated for her and for us. We were ready to adopt her as we lost our female of 10 years last summer.
Meanwhile my other dog get a long great with her and my kids and I have all gotten completely attached to her and we'll keep her with us for whatever time that she has left. She may have as many squeaky toys as she wants.
I've been recommended putting on a raw food diet as it provides less stress on the system. After two weeks I found that she has lost 3 lbs, but between the two weight checks she also had her spleen and uterus (spay) removed. She's thin to begin with as she has a fused elbow and need to watch her weight not to compromise her elbow further.
Wonder if anyone can give some feed back on raw food diet? She need low carb, think zero carbs. Canine cancer diet...cooked meat, steamed veggies, herbal supplements. Feed Halo for a little while, but found peas in there and peas are full of carbs. I have to go back and look at the other versions of Halo, maybe I just ended up with the bag that had peas as an ingredient.
If anyone has any experience with raw food diet and aggressive cancer.
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