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1/4/12 12:00 A

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I would take the pups out , and use the words "go potty" Most dogs learn words real fast. Mine have, and I have trained a lot of dogs over the years. I also use a small treat for motivation. Once the dogs have "going outside down pat" you don't need to use the treats. Just a pat on the head, or a hug, along with "good boy/girl" will be good enough. New dogs, that are new to a home, can have accidents just from being in a new environment. Like Brenda said, give them time and be patient. Hopefully they will get the hang of it. Winter is a hard time to train. I brought my Hound home in Jan. when he was 7 weeks. We had so much rain that winter, and he didn't like that at all. So it did take him a little longer to get potty trained. Luckily I had older dogs, and a doggy door so he started following them outdoors.

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1/3/12 6:51 P

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Of course that's what positive reinforcement is all about. I'm just saying you don't need food to do it. They may not understand the words you use, but they do understand body language, touch, and tone of voice. Petting, playing, speaking in a higher pitched tone of voice... given as immediate reward, all are rewarding to dogs of any age.

I'm not saying treat training works or doesn't work; as you said, some dogs may simply respond to it better. I'm just saying we've never used it, never needed it, our dogs have plenty of positive reinforcement, and have learned what we needed them to learn without treats.

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1/3/12 6:36 P

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Laurie,
I understand that it does not seem natural to us to give food for elimination. For dogs this is different. They have no problem with eating right after going potty. If you give small enough treats, the size of your little finger nail, this will not speed up the need to go potty again.
The reason for using food is that it is easy to use and to time the reward and most dogs like it. The whole purpose of positive reinforcement is to give the dog a reason to do that behavior again so we as owners need to find out what motivates each dog the best. Some dogs are more motivated by touch or by play and for those this is a better reward. Very few dogs, especially puppies, naturally consider praise a reward. They don't understand our language yet. If praise is used together with body language and other things that the dog instinctively understands (like play and food), soon praise will be understood by itself (it becomes a conditioned reinforcer). The other part about using positive reinforcement is that, just like negative reinforcement and punishment, the timing needs to be accurate (within 2-3 seconds of the behavior) or we are reinforcing the wrong behavior (like the example given of the dog getting rewarded for going back in the house if that's where it receives the treat).

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1/3/12 5:48 P

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I agree with most of what's been said here, except for the food treat. I don't like to food treat for praise for anything, but I think with potty training it's even more important. After all, they have eaten, now they're going to eliminate what they ate, then you're going to give them more to eliminate? That just doesn't make practical sense to me. I would rather go out with them, and then pet them and praise the living daylights out of them and reward with a minute or two of playtime.

I'll also add that it's important to have a consistent schedule, where they are eating, drinking, going outside at about the same time every day. And I wouldn't allow any water at least two hours before bedtime.

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1/3/12 3:44 P

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Potty training can be very frustrating. It's important that you go out with the puppies to make sure that they go. Take them out on leash and take them to the same spot everytime I have an area of mulch where my dogs go Reward them immediately, not for when they come into the house, or they catch on, oh I get treats for coming in the house and not from what they did outside. Puppies get distracted being outside, so they forget what they are out there for. Going out there with them, you can reward them. If they don't potty, they come back in, either on leash or in a crate. Teach them to ring a bell at the door. Right now, where you go, they go, so you can supervise them. The more you are consistent, the better they catch on where to go. Lots of praise. Have a potty party! Make them feel like this is the best thing ever.

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1/3/12 2:38 P

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It's so hard to predict how long it will take to potty train a dog. The dogs with the best noses, like Beagles, are sometimes the hardest to train because they pick up ANY odor remaining from accidents in the house. We have gone through gallons of Nature's Miracle enzyme cleaner to make sure that any accidents were neutralized well.
I've had a dog be housebroken after as little as 2 days and as long as almost a year. They were both whippets, both female, both from the same breeder, you never know exactly why some get it faster than others. One major factor seems to be what time of year you do the housebreaking. In cold winters it's much harder. Patience will pay off eventually.
Sometimes dogs that come from a shelter are more difficult because they had to eliminate in a kennel run.
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1/3/12 1:59 P

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crate training worked real well with the last couple that I have. Also with a rescued yorkie we kept a bag of peanut butter chips by the door and as we went outside I would grab a couple and when he "went potty" he got a chip. He was the hardest but being consistent does work.

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1/3/12 1:56 P

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Thanks for all the info, they are 6 month old yorkie beagle mix I rescued from the shelter. Since we got snow yesterday they are being a little stubborn about outside today. I am trying the 2 hour rotation and they sleep in the kennel when they nap every afternoon. Bedtime they rarely get off the bed and have an accident. They are my "kids" since the kids have grown up. My great Dane had potty training down in like a week, I wish she was here to help train them LOL.

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1/3/12 12:35 P

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That's a good point about the potty system I never thought of it that way....I almost ordered one a few months back....but now my dog is about 90 percent trained so I decided against it

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1/3/12 12:28 P

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Young puppies may have to go out as often as once an hour. Two is much harder than one. Keep them on vinyl in the house so it's easy to clean up when accidents happen until they are a bit older. Once you take them out give them a food reward when they go. Never punish or yell when they make a mistake in the house because they only learn to go when nobody's looking (which means they won't go outside when you are with them). Crate training can help as long as they get a chance to go out very often since dogs try not to soil their den. A doggy door to a fenced-in yard is best. Any indoor potty systems teach the dog to go against it's cleanliness instinct and eliminate in the house. Once they eliminate in the house regularly they are more likely to eliminate anywhere in the house.
Birgit

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1/3/12 12:26 P

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How old are they and what kind?

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found the site

https://www.pottypatch.tv/?gclid=CI_
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when my Rosco was young....(just made one yesturday) I took him out every two hours and I know you may not be able to do that but it worked for me....and his last outing was ten at night....eventually he did well enough overnight and so I started taking him out every four hours...until he was able to go about every six hours now....

There's something called the potty patch maybe you can google it and see if it's something you might like to try...it pretty good and it will save your dogs from going out in the cold my dog loves the outside hot, cold, rain and snow.....

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1/3/12 11:56 A

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I am having trouble with the puppies and potty training. Any advice would be great. Also they do not like going out in cold wet weather. They go out then come in and potty in the house.

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