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9/1/08 11:55 P

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I found out that hills is an awful food to feed your baby. Corn based is not good. it raises their sugar levels just like it does ours.

I started feeding my baby blue buffalo. Good quality. I get it at pet smart.

Hope things clears up for your baby.

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I wouldn't go to your vet for nutrition information. Vets aren't nutritionists. They don't take classes in nutrition. They, instead, get a couple of seminars on nutrition, sponsored by -- you guessed it -- Hill's. Hill's also provides free food for the dogs of vet students. Gosh, I wonder why so many vets push Hill's Science Diet?

Unfortunately, in analysis, Hill's doesn't stand up. It's not a particularly good food at all. It is, at best, middle of the road.

Now, I'm not saying that your dog's toenail problems are food related. It may, honestly, just be a genetic issue. My dog has the same problem, and his breeder said that his dad had the same problem. We live across the country from each other and feed differently. (Neither dog has shown any signs I would attribute to allergies.)

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YOU ARE WELCOME AND WISH THAT COULD HAVE SOLVED YOUR PROBLEM, GOOD LUCK .

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8/18/08 8:57 A

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Well, I looked up what's in the 3v caps and it is already cod liver oil. So much for that idea! But thank you anyways. I guess I should pursue the food allergy thing and see if that could be it. Thanks again!
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PIXIE I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THAT KIND OF OIL, BUT YOU CAN BUY THE COD LIVER OIL IN A BOTTLE AT THE PHARMACIES, IT IS KEPT BEHIND THE COUNTER, I DON'T KNOW WHY BUT IT ONLY TAKES A DROPPER FULL EVERY DAY ON THE FOOD TO IMPROVE THE NAILS,AND IT IS AN OLD FASHIONED REMEDY FOR A LOT OF THINGS, BUT IT IS WHAT MY VET TOLD ME TO GET AND SINCE I GAVE IT TO MYSTIE WE HAVE HAD NO MORE PROBLEMS WITH HER NAILS, IT IS NOT THAT EXPENSIVE EITHER AND IT IS GOOD FOR THEM, SO WHY NOT GIVE IT A TRY. SEE IF IT HELPS OUT ANY.

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8/16/08 10:55 P

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Doggroomer571. My dog currently eats prescription canine C/D and I have recently started to give him half of Nutro for overweight dogs and half the C/D, because he gained some weight on the C/D. My youngest dog eats the C/D because he gets urine crystals and the vet said it would be ok to give all my dogs that food becuase they stole each others food when they had different kinds. And YES it is CORN based! I did some research and found out corn is a no no, asked my vet about it and she just went on and on about how Hills brand is so great and it's what she feeds her dogs. I haven't seen much differnce after switching to 1/2 the Nutro though:) He used to eat the Nutro (normal dog formula) before and he was fine:( I feel that my vet isn't doing what's right for me right now honestly! If you could ask your holistic pet store friend I would GREATLY appreciate it!

As for the cod liver oil I'm not sure. It's prescription fish oil and I'm not sure what kind of fish oil? I can aske my vet though? They call it 3V caps if that helps?

Ugh I'm so mad at my vet right now:( Thank you all for your help!

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PIXIE YOU MENTION THAT HE IS ALREADY GETTING OIL BUT IS IT COD LIVER OIL, AS I HAVE A DOXIE THAT HAD THIS PROBLEM OF HER NAILS SPLITTING IN HALF AND DOING ALL SORTS OF CRAZY THINGS AND AFTER TWO WEEKS ON THE COD LIVER OIL NO MORE NAIL PROBLEMS AS THE COD LIVER OIL STRENTHENS THE NAIL ITSELF.

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Doggroomer571: Pixiepie, if I am not being too nosey, what type or brand of dog food do you feed your baby? Look at the guaranteed analysis on the bag. Does it contain a lot of grain or meat by products. If it does contain meat by products, don't use it. The way it is listed on the bag, is how much is contained in the bag. For example, Meat and Meat byproducts, grains etc. This is not good. They do not use anything that is healthy for your dog. They will use the feet, beaks brains etc.
If your dog food contains corn, get rid of it. Dogs cannot process corn. I am going to run this info about your dog to my friend that runs a holistic pet store. We both give talks about what is really in our pets food. They put a lot of fillers in them, plus they put in flavorings in them , so the dog will want to eat more and more of it. Read your bag really closely. If it is an allergy, my friend the holistic veterinarian said to use fish and stay away from the organ meats. I got a bag of Timberwolf organics. It contains herbs, dried fruits, Wild salmon and gourmet oils, phytonutrients, vegetables kelp and spirulina enzymes and probiotics chelated minerals garlic pieces seeds and nuts. We wanted to find out why my little male poodle had chronic yeast. She also suggested that I give him Bravo Salmon. It is frozen in the tube. You might have to do process of elimination, if it is an allergy. I also use the Bravo wild salmon oil on my dogs every morning. It is cold processed, thus eliminating any pathogens. Again I use Bravo for their meat and then I use Innova Evo crunchies. These are both excellent dog foods. Hope this helps and I hope your baby is cured of his toenail problem. I will let you know what my friend that runs the store says. Good luck an God bless you and your furbaby. Marilyn

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8/15/08 1:30 P

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I know what you are saying about the food. And I'm kind of p'd off at my vet because I GRILLED her on the food issue and she just insisted it was fine and kept saying that brand is all she feeds her dogs. But if it could be an allergy she should be smart enough to say "well that could be something we can look into." She just kept insisting it wasn't the food :( And I'm racking my brain trying to remember the timeline of all of this which goes back 3 years or more. I might ask for my pets records and make a timeline to try to figure it all out myself:( Since the vets aren't much help at this point. They are treating the symptoms and not the cause. And I should compare his previous food ingredients to the current food ingredients and see what I get. Thanks again for all your suggestions and help! I'm really gonna dig to the bottom of this!

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8/15/08 12:58 P

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I don't know how you would go about finding a holistic vet in your area, but I'm sure there are some folks on here who will have more info for you.

About the food, if it's an allergy it would not matter the quality of the food. It would be an ingredient that he was allergic to - even if it is the best quality. Like if he is allergic to wheat and there are high quality wheat ingredients in the food he would still be allergic.

Good luck and keep searching for info and ideas!

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Thank you all for your replies! As for removing the nails thing. My vet did mention that as an option but I strongly hesistate to go that far unless I absolutely have to. He did have his dew claws removed because they were the worst at breaking at first but it was a nightmare! He chewed the bandages off and pulled out stitches and it got infected. And all this WITH the e-collar (the infamous "cone" collar)on him! It is something I might ask about again though. And for the cod liver oil, he already takes oil and gelatin for his nails for about 2 years now. I did try giving him vitamins for a while when this all began but it didn't seem to help. I asked my vet about the food he's eating and she insisted it's quality food. It's prescription food that my other dog has to eat, but they all get it since they steal food if they get different stuff. My other two dogs seem fine on that food though. If I get a second opinion I might try to find a holistic vet. Any ideas on how to find one? I'm totally clueless there! Again thank you all for your replies and suggestions!

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Carol said the same thing I would.

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I WILL GIVE YOU THE SAME ADVICE MY VET PASSED ON TO ME FOR BREAKING NAILS, GO TO A PHARMACY AND ASK FOR SOME COD LIVER OIL, AND PUT A LITTLE BIT ON HIS FOOD EACH DAY AND EVERY DAY IT WILL STRENGTHEN THE NAILS SO THAT THEY WON'T BREAK.

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I agree with Nancy. Could be food related or allergy related. If you think your Vet. isn't helping with the questions you have, as much as you would like, then get a 2nd opinion from another Vet. Let us know how it goes!
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8/14/08 1:28 P

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I think that I would try to find a holistic vet and see if there is something natural to give your dog for this problem. I have a wonderful vet that is holistic vet that is great. She is DVM, but like to use herbs and more natural ways of treating our babies. Perhaps someone like that could help. Hope things get better for your baby. Good luck Marilyn

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Aw, don't be ashamed - you are a great doggie mom! I'm sure they wish that all their clients took as good care of their dogs.

Is there anything you can actually paint on the nails to strengthen them as you can for a person? I don't know if he'd let you do it, just a thought.

Did your vet ever mention anything about changing his food to see if was allergy-realted? Have you been feeding him the same food since you got him? Just wondering why he was ok for several years and then started with the nails crumbling.

Also, as a last resort, can the claws be removed?? I don't know if it's possible for a dog.

I have a 16 year old cat that had SUCH terrible allergies for years and we just couldn't get a handle on it. He would scratch himself under the neck until there was an open sore the size of a quarter. He would not let it heal but kept scratching it. I would come home from work to find the wall behind my sofa covered with bits of fur and blood because he would sit on the top of the couch pillows and scratch all day.

Anyway, we ended up having to remove his rear claws for his own good and the sore was able to heal and he has been fine ever since. That was about 10 years ago.

I think maybe seeking out a new vet, maybe even a vet that specializes in skin and nails would be a good idea.

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What about a vitamin? People take vitamins and minerals to strengthen their nails, so can a dog?
Also, maybe that polish/oil stuff that you get at the drug store for strengthening nails? It may be worth a shot.

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Thanks Nancy for replying. He does take gelatin and a prescription fish oil that are supposed to help keep the nails healthier from the inside out. And I'm very religious about giving it to him! I rarely miss a day with that. I was putting horse hoof lotion on his nails for a while but it didn't seem to do much. Maybe I'll try it again. If the thryroid meds don't work I plan to take him to another vet for a second opinion because neither of us can stand living this way much longer. I mean I'll come home at 10:00 at night and his foot will be bleeding and then I have to clean and wrap it and call my vet in the morning and try to squeeze in a vet appointment at short notice. It gets stressful for us both not to mention expensive! I'm ashamed that the women at my vet office know my voice on the phone!

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I'm so sorry for you and your pup! It sounds like its a combination of the malnutrition and the fungus. I know that in people, once you get a nail fungus it is very hard to get rid of it and it does change the nail. I wonder if in killing the fungus, the meds also weakened the nails.

Is there anything they can recommend to put on his nails to strenghten them?

I wish I was more help, but I'm sure with all the members we have that someone has had this problem. Good luck and let us know how he is doing.

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I'm posting this hoping that someone else has some first hand experience with this issue. My vet isn't much help at this point. So my dog is a chihuahua/terrier mix of some sort and he's about 8-9 years old now. He was a stray when I got him at 2-3 years old and he was very skinny and malnourished. Now fast foward about about 4 years and at 6-7 years old he starts breaking off toe nails below the quick. Which requires him to be tranquilized, have the nail cut back, and his foot wrapped for a week with a round of antibiotics (oh at about $150 each time which has been every 2 months or so). He went through medication for a toe nail fungus and I was told his nails would never be quite normal. But for two years now he's got these weak nails that keep breaking. I religiously have him in there to trim them back to help prevent the breaking but he keeps breaking them. This has become quite stressful for both me and my dog. My vet tested him for auto immune diseases and thyroid disease and both were negative. But the thyroid was a low normal twice and a regular normal once so we are doing a trail with thyroid meds. If this doesn't help then I'm at the end of my rope! Anybody else have any troubles with toe nails breaking? They almost crumble when they are cut:( My poor little baby:( Thanks for any input!
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