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What I got from the first chapter is how the four noble truths tie into our diet particularly when we view our weight and diet as a form of suffering. The books reviewed the many reasons for becoming unhealthy. I've got to be honest. I got impatient with the Intro and 1st chapter because my mind kept constantly interrupting with noise "tell me something I don't know" or "so when do I get to the part where I fix this?!" It's terrible, I know. I'm working on my impatience and will try to read more of the book today.

"To a mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders."

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I just picked this book up on my Kindle. It sounded interesting. Being mindful while eating and preparing my food I think would really help. I've noticed I eat way to fast instead of savoring the flavors and the food. I also don't really pay attention when I cook. Tonight making vegetable soup, paying attention to each food as I chopped it and added it really made me more aware of what I will be eating later and to think of where all it came from and what was involved just so I could use it to make soup.

It will interesting if this is still a current topic to hear others opinions as I read Savor

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I'm reading a couple other books but just bought Savor and will get back to it in a few weeks, I think.

"We must make of the word rural a state of mind." - Maya Tiwari


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2/4/13 10:30 P

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Reading the book kind of fizzled out and no one seemed to have interest anymore.

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I skimmed the book a while back but am finally ready to really read it and put its advice into play.

"We must make of the word rural a state of mind." - Maya Tiwari


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1/2/13 6:13 P

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I just started. But, I like to go slow.

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I wanted to start reading this book...thought I had it but I can't find it. Will get from library and start. Did everyone fizzle out???

Never underestimate the power of your thoughts. They have the power to make or break you. Think wisely, think joyfully, think lovingly! Every time you are tempted to react in the same old way, ask yourself if you want to be a prisoner of the past or a pioneer of the future. ~ Deepak Chopra ~


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1/1/13 1:58 P

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I just started the book.. I really like it.

What we are looking for is what is looking. St Francis of Assisi


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Don't feel to bad I don't even have a table. I quit using the one I had in my old house about 10 years ago. Since it wouldn't fit in the house I bought I got rid of it. Now I really want a table. Figures.

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i can't even say how long it has been since i ate at the table. i live alone so inever think of it.

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4/11/12 1:58 A

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We used to do picnics in the living room, too - I should surprise the family and do it again one of these days soon! Thanks for the suggestion.

Kim - any chance your bf would think that was funny/cute/cool?

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4/10/12 8:57 P

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Love It!!!!!

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I do remember the days when you didn't have a choice. Grandma made us eat at the table. End of story. I think b/c I was forced to eat at the table growing up, I perfer to eat in front of the TV when I was single. Now a new mom and wife, I try and get the family to the table, but it's a lost cause. So I came up with twice a week picnics. I move everything out the dinning room and set up a blanket on the floor and we have a picnic. Sometimes you have to be creative (even if you don't have children). Somtimes is better than not at all.

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4/8/12 8:32 A

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Kosh - I think if I suggested to my boyfriend that we eat at the table, he would look at me as if I grew two heads.. It is a very nice memory of childhood though. We always talked about or day and what everyone was up to.

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4/8/12 1:30 A

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Kim, I think it is because I have kids that I am so insistent on not eating in front of the TV, but when I was single I think unless I was eating out, I probably ate a majority of my meals in front of the TV.

LadyRose, I don't think there's any shame, personally, I think it's wonderful that you do it only "sometimes"!

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My husband and I always had meals at the kitchen table while our children still lived at home. And we still do sometimes. But now that it is just us sometimes we will watch a movie and eat at the same time.

Shame on us!

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4/3/12 8:38 A

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Growing up, we had dinner at the kitchen table with no TV nearly every night of the week. It was a nice tradition. I think if I had children, I would insist on it. But with no children - the kitchen table is only used when my parents come down to visit.

It is sad, isn't it?

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OK, I just did a little "research" - I took a poll here on SP that asked how many days a week you spend eating dinner in front of the TV.

I looked at the results and I was kinda shocked. The cool news is is that 19% do no eat dinner in front of the TV.

The bummer is, is that *55%* eat dinner in front of the TV 4 or more days per week.

Just thought that you all might find this interesting...

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3/31/12 12:40 A

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Kim, that is too cool! It's great how we can slow down enough and say "Is this what I want?" and/or "Is it worth it?"

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3/30/12 7:57 A

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Kim, that's awesome! Isn't that amazing?! That just shows how little we really pay attnetion to eating.

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When we are not mindful we don't think about what we are eating. We just eat. We don't pay attention to where we really think...do we like this or not!? emoticon

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Love it!

I discovered that I really don't like peanut M&M's Who knew? (still like plain ones)

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emoticon ...I think I will try that.

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3/30/12 1:49 A

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I did another version of the challenge last night - went to a restaurant by myself and decided not to look at my phone, or bring a book, just eat.

Hard to say precisely, but I'm pretty certain that not reading or looking at fun things on my phone helped me eat much less of the giant serving than if I had been engaged in those other things.

Eating alone in a restaurant has always been somewhat difficult for me, but I was grateful that I decided to sit with the discomfort of it rather than distract or stuff it away.

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Good for you KOSHKALET! I think we are all doing well in trying and learning.

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almost feel like you have to stay busy but I enjoy and thrive with the quite times , my son turns on telly as soon as he gets up and leaves it on all day (school break) so instead of watching t.v. I talk to him .

( only those who risk going to far know how far they can go)

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Thanks for checking in everyone! This is a big challenge - and these are very old entrenched habits and ideas. There is so much societal pressure to be constantly doing - and doing multiple things at once. Sitting down just to eat is a complete contradiction to that way of being.

I applaud you all for trying it and adding it to your awareness!!!

GreenThumb, I think you have a good idea - seeing eating (and only eating) as a special treat rather than "missing out" on something.

Kim, just the fact that you have shifted your awareness is a wonderful start, so I hope you are acknowledging that!

Butr, how neat that you are thinking of "upping the ante"!

LadyRose, I love that you are getting so much benefit from this practice.

As for me, I intentionally ate my breakfast at the table this morning, instead of having the option of eating in front of the computer and I was able to just be with that. I've also returned to my self-imposed ban on eating at night in front of the computer, and as a result, my calorie intake has been lower.

All right - onto Chapter 2 and 3! Let's all keep up the fantastic work!!!

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Yes Kim I know what you mean. Sigh I am a work in progress slow progress. I am actually experiencing anxiety because I am not multitasking. I have to change my mind frame that eating mindfully is not being lazy. I sparked when I ate breakfast and lunch. I played a facebook game during dinner. I feel almost cheated. How sad. I just need to get to the point that not mindfully eating is cheating myself.

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Old habits die very hard and slowly. I am not doing well not multitasking

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I've been doing it on one meal a day.... But so far, I haven't noticed anything different. I was thinking I should try it all day for a time to see if I notice anything there.

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I am more mindful of what I am putting in my mouth and the way that I eat it. I have slowed down how fast I eat and have been enjoying the flavor and taste of my foods.

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Just a quick last check-in to see if anyone has anything to report back about our distracted eating challenge.

Did anyone notice a difference when you weren't eating in front of the computer/TV?

Hope you all are doing great!



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3/20/12 1:57 A

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Wow, how great that we're all giving this a try! These are old, old habits, so it will take time to shift them, but how beautiful that we're all adding some awareness to these old habits!

Last night I had a serious "relapse" and ate late at night in front of the computer and, no surprise, I overate... I managed today to make it a non-tv/computer eating day.

Butrfly - I think it's great that you don't have that voice/guilt, actually. I think it only gets in the way of our seeing our behavior for what it was. I'm wondering if it's easier for you to see it as a choice that was made and whether you want to continue making that choice?

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emoticon LadyRose for your cheerleading!

Edited by: KOSHKALET at: 3/20/2012 (01:59)
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I know what you mean about laziness and avoidance. Many "dieters" have remorse and guilt after eating something they shouldn't, or eating too much: I don't. I took a quiz about your attitude toward food, and I passed with flying colors (I don't get bent out of shape, etc etxc) BUT while this sounds like a good thing, its been detrimental for me. I eat too much or eat something bad and I don't have that voice that says "Ummm, yeah... You shouldn't have done that" which means I just keep doing it over and over. I almost wish I could muster up a little bit of that guilt!

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We need a cheerleader! Breakfast and lunch are very challenging to eat mindfully. I keep forgetting . I have dinner mastered now. I actually look forward to it. I know I want to get to the core of my issues with food. I agree that the 4 Noble Truths can help me with this process yes overweight is suffering on many different levels, body, mind, spirit... I consider SparkPeople working as my 4th Noble Truth. I am still working through incorporating the 2nd and 3rd into this. I have found myself practicing avoidance, laziness and down right obstinacy toward conquering food addiction as of late. I think this is out of fear of the unknown.

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emoticon I CAN DO IT &... emoticon !!! We can & will DO IT TOGETHER....


Hey Ladies.....I am our Cheering Section!!!... emoticon ... emoticon

Edited by: JUST_BREATHE08 at: 3/19/2012 (16:19)
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I know that feeling! Breakfast and lunch have been in front of a computer for years as well! Its definitely a challenging adjustment!

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Yes I can! I just need to remember to do it. Lunch espeically has been in front on the computer at work for YEARS. I'll have to make a nice sign for myself.

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Ugh - breakfast occurred during my drive in. No computer or book - but still not mindful. I just realized that lunch is occurring as I check SP.

This is going to be a lot of work.

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I worked on mindful eating with breakfast today. No computer, no book... just my oatmeal and my water. Can't say I really notice anything different yet. But maybe after a few days, the effect will be more apparent.

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Wow, I am so grateful to be a part of this book group and for all of your thoughtful responses!

I think I'll chime in now with my answers (I wanted to give most other folks a chance to chime in before I did):

*** First, from the Introduction toward the bottom on page 3 - I love how the authors remind us to "make friends with our hardships and challenges" and then at the bottom of the page asks some good questions about our challenges to being healthier. What is one of your challenges and how are you making friends with it?

My major challenge is definitely my propensity to eat sweets/empty calories. I would say that I'm making friends with it right now by acknowledging it, but not necessarily letting it become as dominant as I have sometimes let it be. I'm also shifting to sweeter veggies, such as some mini-tomatoes. Rather than crunching on pretzels, I'm trying more often to choose carrots.


*** Second, from the Introduction, on page 4 midway down - Hahn and Cheung point out "Take small steps every day, and be persistent. Small steps will add up over time." What is a small step that you have taken that you have done persistently that has "added up" for you?

Like you, Kim, my workouts have been a small step that has helped me quite a bit. Another small step has been eating off of a smaller plate which helps me be more aware of my portions.


*** Now, onto Chapter 1 - at the top of page 17, regarding our habit energy, the authors advise that "Stopping, calming and resting are the preconditions for healing." How do you stop when you find yourself in the middle of habit that you are trying to work with?

I find that adding my meditation practice has been really helpful in making it easier to stop. One of the DailySpark blogs the other day was asking the question "Is this worth it?" and I think that question is a great way to get awareness back into an old habit.

*** One of the large premises in Chapter 1 is that the Four Noble Truths can be applied to weight loss - does this fit with your experience?

At first I struggled with this concept in the book, having only been exposed to the Four Noble Truths in a meditation/bigger life context. However, I think it does fit - being overweight is suffering, there are causes of suffering, and there are paths to end suffering. I think seeing it in this context definitely helps me put my striving to be healthier as part of my spiritual path (as does this SparkTeam!).


*** At the bottom of page 27 and on most of page 28, there are dozens of questions regarding your weight and health - do you find them useful and will you be taking time out to blog or journal your answers?

The questions are a bit overwhelming for me - but I realize that if I take the time to blog/journal about them, then the awareness will bring so much more light onto my habits and lay some groundwork for changes.

*** Last but not least, on page 32 at the bottom, Hahn and Cheung urge us to "Appreciate the lessons that your excess weight is offering you" about past decisions - how do we balance those lessons with being present? Will it be a challenge to view that past and other present decisions with compassion and not judgment?

I think being present with a current decision while seeing how the past has brought me to where I am today is the solution for me to hold both past and present together. It is a challenge for me to view my past decisions with compassion and not judgement, to be honest. However, I see so much merit to treating the past decisions as a basis for information, rather than something to use to make myself suffer.

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emoticon ...discussion Kim!

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Hello All - I'm finally caught up with the reading. SO POWERFUL already!


*** First, from the Introduction toward the bottom on page 3 - I love how the authors remind us to "make friends with our hardships and challenges" and then at the bottom of the page asks some good questions about our challenges to being healthier. What is one of your challenges and how are you making friends with it?

One of my biggest weight loss challenges is that I am not “that” overweight and don’t have a lot of the problems that many others experience. I tend to let myself off the hook when it comes to less healthy food, deserts or skipping a workout. I need to make friends with “future me” and do everything that I can in the present moment to make my life the best and healthiest it can be down the road

*** Second, from the Introduction, on page 4 midway down - Hahn and Cheung point out "Take small steps every day, and be persistent. Small steps will add up over time." What is a small step that you have taken that you have done persistently that has "added up" for you?

Over the past several years, I have been very active. While I do occasionally sleep in and skip a workout, I do workout most days during the week. This is especially true when I have a plan in place. If I can schedule it, I am most likely going to stick with it. Now that my hip is healed, I will implement my half marathon training plan that provides me with my run day workouts. I also have my spin classes 2 days a week that are pretty much set in stone already.

*** Now, onto Chapter 1 - at the top of page 17, regarding our habit energy, the authors advise that "Stopping, calming and resting are the preconditions for healing." How do you stop when you find yourself in the middle of habit that you are trying to work with?

Currently, my best experience with stopping, calming and resting has been with anger rather than eating situations. I have been working on stopping before I react - if just for 20 seconds and trying to evaluate whether my “conditioned” response if helpful to the situation. Because I have seen such successes with this technique, I am confident that it will be extremely helpful with controlling eating.

*** One of the large premises in Chapter 1 is that the Four Noble Truths can be applied to weight loss - does this fit with your experience?

Unfortunately, up to now, I have very little experience even thinking about my weight in the sense of the Four Noble Truths. But after having read the chapter, I can see how powerful this concept is. I am excited to start putting this into practice.

*** At the bottom of page 27 and on most of page 28, there are dozens of questions regarding your weight and health - do you find them useful and will you be taking time out to blog or journal your answers?

I do not plan to blog on these questions, as the nature of them is so personal. I am afraid that I may be less than 100% honest if I thought someone else was reading them. I may change my mind about this down the road. For now, I plan to reread the chapter more slowly and journal as I am doing so. I am struck by the fact that I have few of the “real” challenges that it seems are so common with others. I typically have a good foundation, in that I already eat and like healthy food, I don’t drink a lot of soda, I exercise regularly and I get plenty of sleep. I am not terribly overweight; I have few medical conditions that slow me down. I have the resources and proximity to good food choices. My problem is treating myself to treats and special meals without properly considering the consequences.

*** Last but not least, on page 32 at the bottom, Hahn and Cheung urge us to "Appreciate the lessons that your excess weight is offering you" about past decisions - how do we balance those lessons with being present? Will it be a challenge to view that past and other present decisions with compassion and not judgment?

I’m not sure how to answer this at this time.


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I'm so sorry for your pain, LadyRose :(

I think Jon Kabat-Zinn has some good material about meditation for pain, but I know that's different than getting through pain for exercising. I do know that there was a study that showed that mindfulness meditation is proven to be helpful with chronic pain.

I'll keep my ears & eyes open for information, though.

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It has been a long time but I do remember when my body did not hurt at all. Back then because my body did not hurt I did not even pay any attention to my body parts. They were just there. Now, that I hurt most of the time most every where on my body, I notice every body part that I have. emoticon I am somehow going to have to work on this. Any suggestions, please emoticon

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I am up for the challenge...Let's do it! I Can Do It &... emoticon , too!!

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Really amazing discussion, all of you. I am in awe of your truthfulness and your willingness to shine the "light of awareness" on so much by reading this book and discussing it!

Butrfly - I like your joke about being too good of friends with "laziness." For me, my really good friends (like all of you here!) are the ones who help keep me accountable. Is it possible that you become a different kind of friend to the part of you that is reluctant to get movin'? Still compassionate and kind, of course, though!

LadyRose - Can you think of a time when you've moved your body in a way that doesn't hurt so much? It's possible to make it really small - such as - to move my right index finger doesn't hurt. Might sound silly, but it brings mindfulness to the things that are working...

Sounds as if we are *all* having troubles with eating in front of the computer/TV (Kimberlee, my apologies if this does not apply to you - and I'm so thrilled you are finding the book a good one!).

Let's set up a challenge, shall we?!!?

Take 1, just 1 mind you, time per day when you find yourself eating in front of the computer/TV and when you start to do it - STOP. Move to another room, or close the computer and finish the food. See if you can do it just once this week and we can explore the difference!

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I am going to comment on the Intro. first.

I never even thought about making friends with my challenges. This is definitely food for thought for me. I think if I changed my whole way of dealing with my challenges some of them may not be such a big challenge to me after all.

My main barrier to physical activity is my physical disabilities. I KNOW that I need to exercise to be healthy and to feel better but when I do exercise it hurts like... emoticon and I just want to stop because sometimes it makes me feel even worse. I DON'T even give it a chance.

This leads me into taking small steps. I think I want ALL or NOTHING. I want everything now and I know that it cannot be that way. I need to start out slow and build up working on it everyday one day at a time.

I agree with you ladies about not eating at the computer...I do that WAY to MUCH. I am going to work on changing this habit. So, that I can be mindful of my eating and what I am eating I am going to get the paper work cleared off of the dining table and make it a pleasant place to want to go to sit and enjoy my meal one bite at a time.

Be back later with thoughts on Chapter 1. I have just a bit more to finish reading.

Happy Reading ladies!

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I have fallen a bit behind and have just finished about half of chapter 1. I will be finishing tonight. Then I will be back with replies to the points brought up.

But so far, I am thrilled with the book

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emoticon discussion ladies. I learned so much just reading your all's post.

I will be back later to post mine.

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OH and about the mindful eating... I'm ALWAYS multitasking! I'm on the computer everyday while eating breakfast and lunch. Dinner is with the family, but morning time is my only time alone and my only time to do everything that I want to do for ME. So I find myself doing my computer time while doing other things... so that I do have time for the things that can't be multitasked. Although.... I think I might be able to sacrifice the 10 minutes for each meal... .well I'm gonna try!

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I agree! There is just SOOOOOO much to talk about from the intro and ch 1!

***"make friends with our hardships and challenges" What is one of your challenges and how are you making friends with it?

I like how they liken accepting your challenges to caring for a crying baby. The bad things you feel or think need to be held and accepted and soothed just like that crying baby. I never looked at it that way before and it was quite an eye opener.

My BIGGEST challenge is laziness and the fact that I love bad food. I'm quite good friends with my laziness.... I think that's my problem lol

*** "Take small steps every day, and be persistent. Small steps will add up over time." What is a small step that you have taken that you have done persistently that has "added up" for you?

ha! So far I haven't made a lot of little steps weight-wise... but I have made some progress being a more positive person. As often as I can I remind myself that things can always be worse, and I have the option of seeing things in a better light.

***"Stopping, calming and resting are the preconditions for healing." How do you stop when you find yourself in the middle of habit that you are trying to work with?

I haven't been able to stop myself yet lol... but I am going to give my all to being mindful so that I can recognize when I'm in the habit and then stop it.

***One of the large premises in Chapter 1 is that the Four Noble Truths can be applied to weight loss - does this fit with your experience?

Definitely! It fits SO well with the Four Noble Truths. I find that a LOT of things can be applied here!

***At the bottom of page 27 and on most of page 28, there are dozens of questions regarding your weight and health - do you find them useful and will you be taking time out to blog or journal your answers?

When I was reading the questions about "why" I'm overweight, I decided that I was going to blog about it. A lot of the questions apply to me and my family. My parents and both of their parents were overweight... a LOT of it applies! I'll be blogging about this tonight or tomorrow.

*** "Appreciate the lessons that your excess weight is offering you" about past decisions - how do we balance those lessons with being present? Will it be a challenge to view that past and other present decisions with compassion and not judgement?

This one will be hard! I do believe that the past has a lot of answers for you if you look objectively and non-judgementally. I just feel that we can't dwell on. The past has to be what it is. It can't be changed, it can only be used as learning material for the the present. But knowing that and practicing that are two different things! I did like the way of looking at past weightloss failures as "just another way that doesn't work". Which in my case, giving up 2 weeks in didn't work. I like that perspective.


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Excellent points, Greenthumb, I so appreciate that you are joining in! It is soooo easy to be "doing" instead of "being" while we are eating. Chapter 2 is about mindful eating, so I think you are doing some great preparation for that!

I made myself a deal that I just don't eat in front of the computer. It has been super hard, but I've been able to stick with it for the most part. It is definitely one of the things that has "added up" for me in terms of small changes.

We/society places so much value on doing many things at once, but when we do that, it seems as though it's virtually impossible to be mindful of any one of those things we are doing in tandem.

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One of my challenges is mindful eating. I continue to eat in front of the computer. When I have my breakfast I am usually playing game on Facebook. Lunch I am sparking and sometimes Dinner to. The last month I have slowly been weaning away from this bad habit. I am slowly tip toeing into mindful eating just as I tip toed slowly into healthy food choices and exercise. Slowly building a foundation then increasing from there. Just as cold turkey wouldn't have worked when I came to Spark nearly 10 months ago. I am going to add mindful eating as one of my goals. Should I catch myself, and I probably will old habits hang on stubbornly, eating at the computer I hope to stop right away with the current bite and removing myself from that environment. Perhaps meditating and journaling on why I need to multitask. Why can't I embrace a meal on its on. I plan to make an attractive area for my meals. I do not have a table so I am going to designate a coffee table and a pillow for meals. Almost zen style eating lol. Maybe some flowers , a table cloth, candle, preparing the table with each meal is part of the mindful eating process. I am journaling my experiences as I try to modify my behaviors. I find the question," what is distracting you from your focus?" , is going to be particularly helpful and challenging to tackle. Because 10 months into spark and I still don't know what sets me back sometimes. I'm wondering if its fear. I am ready to get to the bottom of it! I have debated between blogging and journaling I feel a little more, "safe" with journaling. I can't help but wonder if I need to step out of my comfort zone though. I am still trying to fomulate the answers to a couple of questions. I have to ponder compassion forgiveness and balance of lessons past and present. I've been overweight off and on most of my life. I feel liberated after writing this.



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Good Morning Team!

So glad we are plunging into this beautiful book and what a joy to share and learn with you. Let's thank LadyRose for setting up this forum for us!

There are so, so many topics that I would love to cover even in these first 38 pages, but I don't want to overwhelm us right now, so I'm going to just start with a few to get us going and see where we go from there - anyone is welcome to answer or not answer any of the following and to bring up any questions/points/observations of their own that they wish to, this is just a starting point.

First, from the Introduction toward the bottom on page 3 - I love how the authors remind us to "make friends with our hardships and challenges" and then at the bottom of the page asks some good questions about our challenges to being healthier. What is one of your challenges and how are you making friends with it?

Second, from the Introduction, on page 4 midway down - Hahn and Cheung point out "Take small steps every day, and be persistent. Small steps will add up over time." What is a small step that you have taken that you have done persistently that has "added up" for you?

Now, onto Chapter 1 - at the top of page 17, regarding our habit energy, the authors advise that "Stopping, calming and resting are the preconditions for healing." How do you stop when you find yourself in the middle of habit that you are trying to work with?

One of the large premises in Chapter 1 is that the Four Noble Truths can be applied to weight loss - does this fit with your experience?

At the bottom of page 27 and on most of page 28, there are dozens of questions regarding your weight and health - do you find them useful and will you be taking time out to blog or journal your answers?

Last but not least, on page 32 at the bottom, Hahn and Cheung urge us to "Appreciate the lessons that your excess weight is offering you" about past decisions - how do we balance those lessons with being present? Will it be a challenge to view that past and other present decisions with compassion and not judgement?

Looking forward to your responses!



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You're welcome and it sounds good to me!

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Thanks so much for the thread posting, LadyRose!

Hi Sparkelin! A few of us were discussing books in the Behavior Modification/Mindful Eating thread and so I suggested that we read Savor.

My idea is that we will be "meeting" to discuss chapters about once a month (on the 15th or thereabouts). You are Very welcome to join in at any point. We'll start the discussion tomorrow and you can contribute with whatever point you have gotten to, or wait and contribute to the thread after you've finished Chapter 1, either way.

If other folks are agreeable, we'll discuss Chapters 2 & 3 (since Chapter 2 is really short) around April 15 (although i know that is tax time, so we may push it out a little from that - maybe the 20th?).

In the meantime, happy reading!

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This is our first book Savor and we start discussion tomorrow. I know it will be on Chapter 1 and I think the Intro.

Can you read Chapter 1 tonight? We would be happy to have you join us!

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I just noticed this post. I am not sure if there was previous discussion or other books but I am not sure how this is going to work. I do have the book and have not gotten much past the intro parts yet so maybe I can join you but what are you doing? discussion? how often?

Sorry just am interested and feel like I am walking into the middle of something.

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We'll meet back here tomorrow. See you then!... emoticon ... emoticon

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