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Mzz - You are awesome! I will order it tonight and use my DH's points he has build up on Amazon Prime. He may have enough that I can get it free.....

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hey Uni!

I don't know... 20 pounds is AWESOME, methinks you've been working PLENTY hard at it!
Being on the proper dose of thyroid for your particular body sure does help, though!

The MKs are in fermented foods like aged/natural cheeses (Gouda and Jarlsberg are two that are high in it, and really yummy, too!) homemade or otherwise biologically active sauerkraut (which is super easy to make at home... basic recipe cabbage, brine, time), natto ( best not to go there, its fermented soybeans that look like someone with a bad cold blew their nose over them... yes, I've eaten it several times! ha), chicken livers, egg yolk. I don't know if its in milk kefir or yogurt, but I suspect yes since those are formed by bacterial ferment... I'm just not sure if those type of bacteria make the Mks.

I think I saw Biosil at Sprouts, but I usually shop for it online bc its delivered to my house and its a lot cheaper, even with postage... plus there's no tax. I found one ounce of the drops... that's what I take every morning in water...on Amazon. You get the most bang for your buck with the liquid.

I did some shopping for you... here's the best deal I could find... I've seen the .5 oz sold for the same price, if not more. What its done for my skin around my eyes is pretty impressive!



www.amazon.com/BIOSIL-NFS-39184-1oz-
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ml/dp/B000CLAI7C/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=apsR>&ie=UTF8&qid=1376924257&sr=1-2-catco
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Thank you, Mzzz - It has taken me a long time to lose the 20 - I really think I need to work harder at it!

I am already taking calcium, D3 and magnesium (though I do get a fair amount of sun, bring in AZ). I understand MK is in meat and eggs, so I probably get enough of that now. My osteopena has actually improved since I found out I had it - the same time I discovered the low thyroid.

I think I will try the biosil - would they carry it at Sprouts?

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HI Uni!

Wow, great job loosing 20 some odd pounds already!

The only way to know if this is going to work for you, is to give silica a whorl.
I take the Biosil (5 drops in water )every morning.

I've got a ton of DE, but I don't take it regularly anymore.
I stopped giving it to my dogs, since they stopped coughing.
If you do feed it to them, its important to make sure that its mixed in with wet food.
Otherwise they can inhale it and get lung damage.
Also... be careful yourself, not to let that happen when you're using it... and buy a food grade DE.

If your problem is osteopenia, then you may want to look into vitamin D supplement, particularly if you avoid the sun. People with thyroid problems tend to be on the low side. I would test out, just to be on the safe side.

Vitamin Mk4 or Mk7 is another one to consider. Its also good for removing plaque from your arteries. Here's an abstract that might interest you, referential to osteoporosis.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17982193

Boron is another promising element:
www.nytimes.com/1987/11/24/science/r
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e-seen-for-boron-in-curbing-bone-losR>s.html


Strontium
www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/guide/str
on
tium-treatment-osteoporosis


Magnesium and Zinc are two other cofactors.

Some Calcium sups have everything in there with it.

Welcome to our thyroid team!
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I just spent a large amount of time going through this thread and a lot of the links it contains. My thyroid quit nearly 5 years ago. Dec 2007 my TSH was 1.41. Dec 2008 it was 45.89. After a lot of adjusting and switching, I have been on porcine thyroid compounded in olive oil for the last few years. So far so good with the thyroid. My problem is that I now have osteopena and a plethora of skin tags, mostly on my neck and under my breasts. I am wondering if DE and/or Biosil would help me. Getting older is not fun!

And, could it help my dog's trachea and my FIL's rosacea?

Suggestions welcome!

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LOL!
What a girl will do for her complexion...

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.Ha..ha. Don't delete your post. We may have to represent one of us at the police station.

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Re: mixing with rubbing alcohol... isoprophyll...that's another type of alcohol.. toxic when ingested.

The article mentioned ethanol... which is the type you drink... not as toxic but it takes more over a longer period of time to become so.

Ha.
I can just imagine being stopped by a policeman and explaining that Eau de Vodka was actually a concoction to keep your skin smooth! Think that explanation would bear many repetitions at the police station.

Actually one of the benefits of ethanol is that it would neutralize the extreme acidity of the orthosilicic acid. Hmmmmm.... you got me thinking now... which could be dangerous!

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This patent discussion goes into the chemistry a little. I think both articles indicate alcohol makes it more bioavailable topically. The article gives the stabilization process for Biosil (maybe?), but not the alcohol process.
www.pharmcast.com/Patents/Yr2002/Jan
20
02/010102/6335457_Orthosilicic010102R>.htm


I haven't come across any skin care product using silicon topically. The link from the dermis-epidermis diagram was from a skin care site that had a diagram on a google search. Probably would have been better to use an anatomy site. Many of us have had shinier hair and less dry skin quickly as the oil glands in the dermis layer funcion better, I'm thinking.

I think for some time, it was thought the particles were too big to be delivered transdermally. That is no longer thought to be correct. If I understand it correctly, transdermal delivery is just not that efficient compared to orally and there is not the systemic benefit.

Jarrosil pH was between 1 and 2. Not rosy enough for 1, but a little under 2. My pH paper measures 14 levels.

I need to read the article better. I wanted to post it before I lost it.

I don't plan on mixing DE with rubbing alchol. We don't know how pure either is.







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Thanks HPS!

Don't worry about posting something that's already been posted, it simply gives it another chance to be read.

I tested my Biosil (similar to Jarrosil) and my ph paper remained yellow. Meaning that the ph was lower than 5.5.

Does your pH paper measure lower (more acidic) amounts and if so what ph did you find Jarrosil at?

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PS HPs...If I am reading this correctly the last link you posted... it sounds to me like the transdermal absorption of orthosilicic acid seems to be increased when its mixed with alcohol extracts (from plants... the specific plant isn't mentioned). Did you get that from the article? Also did you find this link connected to a skin care product? Thx

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I don't think this article has been posted. It supports what team members have been reporting about effects on the body and gives us more to think about and research. And it is current, comprehensive and well foot noted.
"Biological and therapeutic effects of ortho-silicic acid and some ortho-silicic acid-releasing compounds: New perspectives for therapy"

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PM
C3
546016/


I can't find it right now, but there is another recent article that discusses the effects on skin. Evidently it works on the dermis, but not epidermis. The dermis is where some important metabolic activity occurs. I think there is some evidence the nanoparticles are absorbed topically...research in the area of drug delivery. But we need to learn more before rubbing it on the skin. Jarrosil a stabilized silicic acid should not be used directly on the skin. I tested the pH, it is as acid as battery acid. Also mix with 4-8 ounces of water or juice as the label states.

www.avreskincare.com/misc/about_skin
ca
re/about_skin.html


This one is about topical application.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21699089

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Just want to say hi Mzz, how are you doing?

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My pleasure, Bella!
Have a happy day!

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Thank you, Mzz!

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; . . . who at best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly.” —Theodore Roosevelt


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hey Bella

I give Tomas some supplements in the morning (Alcar, l-carnitine, taurine, C0q10, milk thistle, K2 sometimes A, E or D), since some of these are oil based I like to keep it away from the DE.

In his afternoon feeding I put a VERY small amount. I'd say about an 1/8th of a teaspoon? What I did was dip the tip of a knife in the DE jar I keep on my counter, get a small pile on the tip, and mix it in with his food.

The reason why I keep it away from his morning meal is that the suspected mechanism of cholesterol lowering is the actual physical capture of bile inside the hollows of the DE fossil (they look like hollow glass tubes under magnification). When the bile, which is rich in cholesterol, exits via the feces, it can't be re-absorbed by the intestines and recycled back to the liver. So the liver has to pull cholesterol from the blood to make more bile, this results in less cholesterol in the blood.

Anyways, my thoughts were that DE prolly doesn't know cholesterol bile from an oil based nutrient or plain old fats or oils, so it was best to give the DE away from any other supplements.

Word of caution... I feed my pups WET food, this stuff can't be fed to them on dry food, or they will inhale the dust into their lungs which is VERY bad for them!

Tomas is about 18 pounds.

I'm thinking that the way this situation and Trish's skin tags cleared up, is that the silica content in DE increased the health of the skin and blood vessels beneath it, which made it easier for the body to reject the pathogens causing that warty over-growth.

The body's default position is health... IMO if given the right materials and circumstances, it will heal itself in most cases IF you catch it before things get too far along.

Think that answered your question, if not, write back!

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Hi Mzz,

How much DE are you giving your dog and how much does he weigh?
Thanks,

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Thx, HPS.
I've also made it a habit to get a several large leaves of organic Kale into my diet every day, which has helped with weight loss and overall "feel good". I even grind up a bunch of it in my blender and put it in the dog food I make.


The pups have been getting DE in their food, at the same time that I've been taking it.

Tomas had a growth on his leg that resembled a flesh colored raspberry, some sort of wart. He has a tendency to have skin problems related to food allergies... which is one reason why I make their food.

I'd been watching it grow from a small bump... its seemed as if every week a new bump was being added to the "clutch". At the time I started him on DE, it was the size of small raspberry.

When I read Trish's success with the skin tags, I decided to wait and see what happened with this growth, before submitting Tomas to surgical anesthetics, vet office germs, and me to a vet bill.

The Cliff Note Version was that a couple of weeks into the DE feeding, the growth started to turn inky black. Several weeks later it had shriveled. I didn't want to mess with it, since I figured the body was doing its thing and didn't need any assistance from me.

One morning I was sitting at the computer, looked up and saw him walking with something caught hanging in his fur, attached with a string of goo to the former site of the growth.
Examination proved, the something was the black and shriveled rgowth.

The area was washed with soap and water, and it hasn't come back.

Better and far less stressful for everyone!

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What excellent results for such doable changes! Congratulations and thanks for reporting back.


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Okay, I'm finally back with some updates!
What I've been doing since May 2012, is taking 5 drops of Biosil every morning.
Biosil is a choline stabilized orthosilicic acid... ie silica in an aqueous solution.

I've also gotten into the habit of mixing in a teaspoon of Diatomaceous Earth to a gallon of distilled drinking water.
Because of numerous problems with the water supply in my town ...fluoride, high levels of chlorine, e. coli contamination... and my habit of drinking many cups of tea everyday which provides me with more fluoride than I care to imagine, I switched to distilled water.

Amongst other things, I wanted to see if adding silica to my diet would help my cholesterol levels. That's what this post is about.


I finally went for my fasting cholesterol test last Thursday around 1:30 pm.

I did take my thyroid pill at 8:30am and drank a cup of plain brewed green & black tea around 10 am. so technically it wasn't fasting.

I thought that it wouldn't make a difference, considering that they prolly had less than 8 calories between the two of them, but I didn't take into account that the tea has things like tannic acid, fluoride, minerals and caffiend, which can skew cholesterol results.

The technician wanted me to come back and test when I was "actually fasting" , saying that I broke my fast at 8:30 and again at 10 when I took the tea.

I decided to take the test anyway because even if my cholesterol was high, I wasn't about to go on Statins.

These were my results, with reference ranges following. Spark thinks I'm doing HTML if I put them in parenthesis.

Total Cholesterol 236 100-199mg/dL
Triglycerides 63 0-149mg/dL
HDL Cholesterol 94 less than 39mg/dL
LDL Cholesterol 129 0-99 mg/dl
VLDL Cholesterol 13 5-40 mg/dL

According to ATP-III Guidelines, HDL-C greater tha 59 mg/dL is considered a
negative risk factor for CHD. That's a good thing.

LDL/HDL Ratio 1.4 0-3.2ratio units

Estimated CHD Risk less than 0.5 .0-1.0 times avg

T. Chol/HDL Ratio
Men Women
1/2 Avg.Risk 3.4 3.3
Avg.Risk 5.0 4.4
2X Avg.Risk 9.6 7.1
3X Avg.Risk 23.4 11.0
.
The CHD Risk is based on the T. Chol/HDL ratio. Other
factors affect CHD Risk such as hypertension, smoking,
diabetes, severe obesity, and family history of pre-
mature CHD.

So what this basically says, is that because of my high HDL, or "H"ealthy Cholesterol, my LDL isn't a problem. In fact, my HDL/LDL ratio is so good, that I've got less than the average person's risk for heart disease.

Here's the cholesterol test I took in 8/2012.
The reference ranges are identical to the ones above, so I'm not going to repeat them here:
Total Cholesterol: 253
Triglycerides 69
HDL 97
VDL 14
LDL 142

Which means my total cholesterol was 16 points higher than when I wasn't taking the silica.

Of course what you do is up to you, but I'm going to continue to take these two products.

I might add here that my hair grew close to 4 inches in 6 months which is a record for me. I know this because I have my hair foil frosted and can see where the new growth "the Roots" have come in. That said, this experiment took place over this summer, when hair tends to grow faster for ALL people.

My nails still have ridges but they don't have bumps in them anymore.
They've always been strong, that hasn't changed.

Hope this information can be of use for anyone who is struggling with high cholesterol.
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I just need to move more. I am seriously thinking of cutting down my computer time.
I have started small by doing some chair exercises and mindful eating. I think I am
actually positive that I will succeed this time. Small goals along my way. Have lost
about a kil in a week and I am happy with that.
Have a good week.

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Thanks Anna!
All of it seems to be coming off my abdominal area, so I couldn't be more pleased!

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Hey Anna!

My weight is finally moving downward with the smoothies.
I'd given up on weight loss, so this was a nice surprise.

I've also been adding a quarter teaspoon of DE to my distilled water jug.
It makes the water a bit cloudy, but I don't care because I know what's making it that way!

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I love the sounds of the smoothie. I need to printer and get all of
the ingredients needed. Great idea to put in the C to the vegetables
to get rid of the chlorine. You are like a University Professor, Thanks.
I have a new mantra now and keep silently repeating"I can do this!"
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HI Anna!

Something that's been working for me recently, that's freed me of aches and pains, is eating a non-inflammatory diet.

I soak my veggies when I get up, in water to which I've added a bit of C to get the chlorine out. Usually go to the gym and when I get home, drain the veggies.
Make up a giant smoothie that I have for lunch along with a portion of protein, and work on drinking the remaining green drink over the course of the day.

What's in it?
Cup of distilled water
CoQ10
teaspoon of fish oil
3 brazil nuts
Carnosine
vitamin E
vitamin C
vitamin D
vitamin A
a rounded teaspoon of lecithin... this provides choline and acts as an emulsifier.
Section of ginger root.(about 3/4 an inch)

Put this in a blender and mix until its white.
Then add your veggies thru the top of the blender as its running.

You will have to add more liquid when you hear that the blender sound is changing, I add a
Cup of kefir water which provides probiotics. More water if needed. Don't want to stress out my blender!

what I add is:
2 leaves of Kale... remove the stems
2 stalks of celery
2 leaves of swiss chard
2 cups of any type of parsley or cilantro or a blend of parsleys and cilantro.

All my veggies are organic. Non organic Kale and Celery are pretty high in pesticides, so its worthwhile to buy those organic when you can.

Sometimes I will add a piece of beet. Be aware though, that this will turn your mix from a beautiful jade to an ugly brown.

I've also been taking Zumba classes which loosen up the hips and pelvis.
All of this has really been a remarkable help... I am no longer suffering from aches and pains... what was really bad before, was bending down, picking stuff off the floor, going from a standing to a sitting on the floor position. No problem with that now.

Perhaps some of this can help you!
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Thanks MZZ.
I've always been told that it is nothing to worry about when it was at 6,but now that
it's 6.7, he said that's a bit high... When I was in Florida in January, my friend told
me I shouldn't be taking CRESTOR,(20mg) ans she suggested some cholesterol
supplements that she was taking that were natural. So I stopped my meds and
gave it a try. Seems I messed up, so back on CRESTOR again.

I will look for the others like CoQ10 and DE. I have a good naturopath at the local
chemist who has helped me before. I get joint pain from sitting too long at the PC
and the chairs at work don't do me any favours as i am working with Years 1 - 3 and
have to sit at little chairs to be the same level as the kids. As you can imagine, it's
not very comfortable.

I read about Rosie O'Donnell's heart atack and at times I thought I was having those symptoms. My son wanted to ring an ambulance and I said I was OK. I often wonder
what it was. I only thought it was the left arm but I read that pain in BOTH arms.

Do you know anything else about it? The cholesterol and weight gain has given me
a wake up call and since Monday I have started to take this weight loss seriously.
Lost 1 pound since Monday.Woo hoo!

Thanks for all your help and advice.
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Hey Anna!

Sorry... I'm not familiar with those Ozzie cholesterol ranges!
Anna I bet you can get some local DE. Just make sure its food grade!

I'm like you...low blood pressure, low triglycerides, higher than desirable LDL. My HDL is great though, in the 90s, so that offsets the LDL... HDL carries excess fats from arterial walls, back to the liver for processing into bile and indirectly to the adrenals and gonads for making the steroid hormones.

What did the doc say about your HDL?

I haven't checked my cholesterol since taking the Biosil/DE as money is in short supply here.


I take my fat based supplements away from the DE.
Here's my reasoning:
I figure if DE can trap bile, bile being formed from cholesterol, cholesterol being a fat... I'm not taking it with my fish oil, and oil based supplements A, D, E, or K just in case it absorbs them as well.

As for CoQ10... My personal experience which may differ from others... is that its help with stiffness and muscle pain.

Muscle aches... I work out a lot.
By stiffness, I mean problems moving after I have been sitting at the computer or sleeping for any length of time.

I know this because there have been times when I have run out of it and thought it was an expense that I didn't need... within a couple of weeks the stiffness returned... only to disappear again when I resumed it. I take it with the oil based supplements away from DE because of the fat binding effect... fat helps get CoQ10 into the body. I use a bioavailable form, ubinquinol or one like Qsorb or Kaneka.


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I am so glad you posted the blog today MZZ. Thank you for enlightening
me. I will try and find DE here in OZ as I am nort sure about custom restrictions.
I have just read through the whole thread and I am impressed with all the research
you ladies have studied. I spent my evening following links. I have the 'hardly any
eyebrows' and my wrinkles and hair need sprucing up. I will let you know.

My cholesterol has gone up to 6.7 and I am not sure what the equivelent is in the US.
My GP says it should be at around 5 and now they are even saying 4.5. Ouch!
I don't have blood pressure problems, nor triglycerides, so that's gotta be good, right???
Should I take CoQ10? What are your thoughts on taking DE with this?
Thanks so much for all the great information.
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I also have found what I think is an unintended effect:

I have a suntan!!!! I am blond, green eyes and very fair. I love to swim, and I love the outdoors; I have been a slave to SPF 50 for my whole life. This year is different. I noticed a nice, smooth glow if I was just working outside in the gardens, by accident.

Now, all summer long, I have gradually reduced the SPF factor, I usually don't get to the sun and sand until after 2, but I have a nice golden glow, no red (or pink) no freckles, no peeling or dryness, no extra wrinkles.

I've even had to change the shade of my powder foundation!

We are, however, spending 2 weeks at the beach in September, and I'm not about to risk a burn. I've got plenty of my #50! We'll see how it goes. emoticon

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Here's a benefit of silica that I was unaware of... apparently it removes aluminum from the body.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21198634
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Aluminum has been found in the brains of those with Alzheimer's... bt in all fairness, its not certain which came first... the deposits of Aluminum or the Alzheimer's. That said, my thoughts are that if there was less aluminum contamination in the body in the first place, there wouldn't be any aluminum concentration in the brain. But what do I know? LOL

IN any case, Aluminum is not an element required by the body.

Here's a few places you can get a dose of aluminum.

Remember... these are not sources of aluminum that are a part of our evolutionary history,(with the exception of Teas) they were added to our diet by modern man.

* processed cheese, added to reduce the size of the fat particles and make it smooth and creamy... a la Velveeta or American cheese
* in conventional baking powder... so any food leavened with it, cakes, pancakes,cookies, "quick breads", frozen doughs
* Alum in tortillas and pickles
* deodorants... including those deodorant "crystals"... they look cool, but they're not!
* aluminum pots, pans, storage containers, foil, soda cans, beer cans
* Antacids and "buffered" aspirin
* some food coloring
* Public water treatment, where its added to the water to remove larger organic particles
* Black Tea, far less in green or white teas... tea naturally takes up aluminum from the soil
* Vaccines, where its added as an adjuvant (to make the vaccine work better)
* Any form of clay that's used in health and beauty aids... example: tooth paste, Pepto-bismol, bentonite bowel cleansers.

Something to think about...

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Good News, Bella!

The silica will only effect new growth... but I know from using hair gels that if you want fuller looking hair, application at the roots will give you more lift... which is where you'll find the effects of the silica you've been taking... at the roots!


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I started taking the DE in June, and have had a few people say how nice my hair looked. Just saw my hairdresser today and she said my hair was in great shape, it grew a lot in the past 2 months since I last saw her. I've been taking about 1/4 tsp of DE a few times a week.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; . . . who at best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly.” —Theodore Roosevelt


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Hope it works for ya, Sandy!

The Age Monster is a fearsome beastie... and thyroid disease... not much better an artist!

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OK peeps, you can add one more to this thread. I took some time to read through the whole thread and decided that Biosil just might be what I needed. I turned the big 6-0 in June, just a week after my Mom passed away at ripe old age of 90 and took a long, hard look at myself. I saw my hair wayyy too thin, too many wrinkles on the neck where I had lost weight(not just sagging skin) and fingernails that won't grow because they peel and split.
I sent for some Biosil from Vitacost and I'm taking 5 drops in water twice a day away from thyroid meds and vitamins. Now to wait and see.

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hey HPS!
Thanks for the link.

I've been doing a combination of DE and Biosil.
I've been putting a few drops of Biosil in my morning Tea.

Started in May with the Biosil, day and nite, then at some point, perhaps in the end of June? I added the DE and dropped the evening Biosil dose.

I take the DE before I eat a meal that has meat in it, to bind the cholesterol.

Skin turnover and repair takes time, a couple of months at least.

I never had cellulite until I got thyroid disease in 2007.
Then I got it everywhere, even on my upper arms.

My thoughts are that my thyroid dysfunction had thinned the skin, making it so that the underlying fat cells could be seen. Fat cells aren't smooth like muscle tissue. If you've ever seen a piece of broken styrofoam that they make those cheap coolers out of, you'll have an idea what it looks like... the cells are all different sizes so it looks lumpy like a ball of tapioca.

When skin is thick, it kinda acts like a new pair of support hose, holding everything in and smoothing things out. When its thin, it just drapes over the fat like a wet tissue, showing every irregularity of the fat or veins beneath it.

So my theory is that I didn't "lose" cellulite, but that the collagen in my skin increased, making it thicker, smoothing down the lumps and bumps of fat beneath.

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Mzz.

Great insight!

I agree that DE seems to work 2 ways..mechanically and systemically, possibly 3 ways if absorption (filling the pores) is thought about as a type of mechanical.

I haven't seen anything to indicate that Biosil/Jarrosil/Silicea do anything for cholesterol.

Here is the main link to silicea.
www.silicea.com/en/index.php
Silicea comes from Quartz crystals. I hadn't really noticed before, but my Jarrosil bottle has Quartz crystals on the label. I had thought it was purified DE, but now I am not so sure. It sure would help explain the lack of cholesterol benefits.

We have seen these concepts before, but the diagrams and links to the basic research are helpful. In theory, I guess the ultra small particles aid the villi and also explain the relatively small dose.

Binding Capacity
www.silicea.com/en/mineralstoff_sili
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um/wirkweise.php

Structure
www.silicea.com/en/mineralstoff_sili
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um/kolloidale_struktur.php

Basic Unit
www.silicea.com/en/mineralstoff_sili
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Thanks for the info, HPS!

IMO this stuff (the gel) is more like Biosil than DE as it contains silica in the form of silicic acid.

My thoughts are that Biosil (orthosilicic acid) and DE, the silica shells of diatoms are two different forms of the same mineral and have two different actions. Orthosilicic acid is actually absorbed into the body for use in hair, bone, skin and nails. I'm not so sure its effective in lowering cholesterol the way DE is, because its absorbed into the body.

Whereas the silica skeletons of DE exert a mechanical action by binding bile and cleaning the intestinal wall, as well as being partially dissolved and converted to silicic acid in the stomach to be used as in hair, bone, skin and nails.

What are your thoughts on this?
Have you found anything research that Biosil works the same way DE does to drop cholesterol?

I'd also like to report that in addition to helping improve skin tone, I've noticed a reduction in cellulite.

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A little more research on silica. Their products sound similar to Jarrosil/Biosil and DE.

www.silicol.com/research.html

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I try to take that "dose" in the morning, greater than 4 hours from Synthroid. If I forget, I just take it when I remember, even right before bed.

In summary - here are the things that have changed since I began DE:

No more night-time muscle cramps

Smoother skin; end of scarring I always had; clearing of bumpy skin on the backs of my upper arms; crepey skin I had on the backs of my hands has improved. DH has had multiple spots of seborrheic keratosis just fall off, and they are continuing to go away.

Drop of about 20 points in my total cholesterol.



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Great news on the cholesterol and skin results. Do you take the heaping tsp with a meal or any particular time of day?

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WOW, is that ever great!!!

I was very curious to see if the HDL was affected as well as the LDL!
HDL for those that don't know, is "healthy" cholesterol. Heathy=H=HDL.

That's the mnemonic I use to remember it... and with my aging brain, I need all the help in the memory department, that I can get.

The HDL molecule is basically an empty sphere of lipoproteins that scavenges excess cholesterol from the blood vessel walls and tissues. Brings it to the liver to be made into bile. Cholesterol is also used to create vitamin D in the skin on exposure to UV light, and is the basis of our steroid hormones... hormones made by the gonads(sex glands) and adrenals.

Cholesterol is also a part of every cell membrane and works within the cell itself, playing a role in cell signaling, nerve conduction and intracellular transport.

Excess is the enemy.
But then again, It usually is!
Hey, mabbe that goes for cholesterol information, too?
haha

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That figure is total cholesterol. No real change in the HDL, only from 75 to 76. That's always good.

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That's super news, Trish!

20 points is fabulous... is the 201 total cholesterol or just LDL?
Also... did it raise or lower your HDL?


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Well I finally got my blood test results.

My cholesterol went from 201 in April to 188 in July!

I take a heaping teaspoon once per day. Skin is very smooth, I used to scar badly over just about every thing, now even some nasty cuts have healed perfectly.

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My update:
I've been either taking the DE, or Biosil now since May.
What I've noticed is that the texture of my skin has improved somewhat. Its not as crepey as its been in the past... particularly on my neck. Its not a dramatic difference, its not tightened everything up like a facelift would do, but... ya know what? I'll take it!

My nails have always been strong.
But as I aged, they developed vertical ridges.
Since thyroid disease, in addition to these ridges, I also got "schlubs", bumps on them leaving my nails with a texture resembling shantung silk.

The Schlubs have disappeared in the 1/8th of an inch of growth at the base of my nail.

I have not had my cholesterol measured yet.
But I've done further reading and discovered that my theory... that DE binds bile in the intestines, to be the action by which cholesterol is lowered in the blood by DE.

In that way, its similar to the effects of fiber on cholesterol.

For those unfamiliar with bile synthesis, bile is made from cholesterol in the liver and secreted into the duodenum,( the first part of the intestines). Its purpose is to help with fat digestion.

When its bound by DE (or fiber) bile leaves the body in the feces after its done its job.

Otherwise 95 % of bile is reabsorbed into the body thru the walls of the ileum (the third and last stage of the small intestine). Where it appears as cholesterol in the blood.

So if you bind bile in the intestines, and secrete it in the feces, your body no longer has this rich source of cholesterol. If you're watching your fat intake and exercising, this should help lower your blood cholesterol.

A healthy and bountiful August to all!
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Good to hear that you two are having such wonderful results!

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I have results from my little experiment. I have no idea if this will continue, reverse, or would apply to anyone else. There have been questions about whether DE helps with weight loss. In my case no, but there are other favorable changes which in theory could lead to weight loss.

I have been taking 1/4 tsp of DE at bedtime for about 2 weeks. I haven't changed anything else: activity, diet, meds, schedule.

With DE, skin turgor improved right away which suggests cellular hydration improved. Turgor is measured by pinching the skin, pulling it up, and seeing how fast it returns to normal.

I weigh daily and have for several years. The scale reports weight, %Fat and %Muscle. I put the numbers on a spreadsheet and convert to pounds to understand them better. My weight is unchanged, but there has been a shift in body composition with a loss of 1.9 pounds of fat and gains of 1.4 pounds of muscle and .45 pounds of "Other not fat, not muscle". The "Other" reflects the hydration. This hydration does not look like edema on my skin. My skin is soft and not dry and scaley.

I think the fat loss is genuine. I measured about 3 weeks ago and have lost 2 inches in my waist, 3 inches below the waist, and 3 inches above the waist including 2 in that basketball above my waist in front. I have been slowly shrinking sometimes an inch or less a month when I measure, but never anything like this.

A hypothesis is that trace elements in DE are allowing the body to function better. These elements are part of all the ezymes that allow the body to do its work. I expect the pace to slow down as my body heals.

I think I might look better. In our neighborhood, there are a good number of walkers/runners out early before work or before it gets hot. We usually just nod. Early Sunday, I got some thumbs ups and , "You look so healthy." "You look wonderful." "You are looking fabulous."



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Here is an update on my experiment:

DH has suffered with rosacea all his adult life. He frequently gets the redness and some pimples on his nose, and after years, thickening of the tissues on his nose that must be removed via laser treatment by a Plastic Surgeon. The rosacea usually flares in hot weather and sun exposure. Well, we are in a heat wave here on the east coast, and we (DH & I) spend a lot of time in the sun near a quarry where we swim almost every day - after chores/work is over. So far this year - NO ROSACEA. His nose is as clear and flesh toned as it is weeks after laser treatments. Is it the DE? We can't tell for sure, but he's not about to stop. Perhaps the DE has helped his skin to fight off the inflammation .
...and those sebborheac (things?) they continue to disappear/ fall off.

For myself, night cramps never reappearing, skin gets smoother all the time, even with sun exposure. No scarring from cuts and scrapes I'm deadly in the garden -I have roses!

I've just ordered another pound of DE.

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Hey girls!

Hope everyone's having a fine summer's day!
Cicadas are shaking their wings and its gonna be another over 100 degree day here in Texas.

Trish,
That's great you persist and are a model of good nutritional and health practice in your family!
My own experience is that my daughters go thru periods of revolt, but eventually come back to the things I've modeled in time.

HPS~
UGH about your spider bite, hope its better today. My wasp sting is finally down, there's a light shading of yellow like you get from healing bruise, over the area that was swollen and red. The regenerative powers of the body never ceases to amaze me!

Glad to hear that your hair is stabilizing, that seems to get better the longer our thyroid hormone levels are steady!

I did a bit of reading a few days ago in reference to silica and don't remember the link, but the finding of the study said that the Dermis of the skin is the layer of skin that thickens in response to increased intact of silica. I'll try to find a link later. Right now its off to the gym!

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We are remembering some of the realities of summer in real time. In the winter I think of fireflies and butterfies. I walked through a tiny spider web on my walk a few days ago. I brushed it all off or so I thought. Those webs stick to sweat, err excuse me, walking glow. I didn't feel the bite and didn't notice anything in the shower, but later that night, I had a two puncture marks on my arm and angry raised bruising under the skin the size of a half dollar. I drew a pen mark around it to see if it was going to get bigger, but it held. Now it is OK.

Yes, Mzz. It is the website you cited. I am sorry I didn't think about it and will be more attentive. I had gotten there from a google search on thyroid and silicon. I read every one of those articles on the page from your link over the weekend and appreciate the link very much. There is a lot to think about from the standpoint of micronutrients, nutrition and enzyme activity. I get what you are saying about Mg+ and Ca+.

I really appreciate everyone's comments and references. What a great place for strategies and feed back!

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No, DH (and my kids) know I have a different take of the general health of the family. I believe that a well fed and cared-for human body is really quite able to take care of itself and to fight off outside forces.
One son swears that my cooking with, and using LOCAL honey throughout their lives (except as infants, of course) has kept ANY of them from having any allergies at all, unlike their friends and significant others. I've never been a food Nazi, but I have always done a lot of cooking with real ingredients, minimum of processed foods or fast foods.
I am never one to rush for antibiotics, (when necessary, I will seek medical help AND take the medicines perscribed) and I refuse to use antibacterial soaps. I'd like to fight off just the germs that didn't get bubbled away by suds, rather than those which SURVIVED! (lol)
That way, we all have pretty good immune systems, I'll go for years without a cold, so do they. (DH is not so lucky)
I'm sure they'll care for the grandchildren when they come along in the same, more natural way.

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Hey Trish!

That's cool about not getting poison Ivy. Gah I hate that stuff! Had it when I was a child so bad on my feet, my foot got infected and I had blood poisoning... think that's how that leg got a varicose vein in it... IMO the toxins destroyed the valves in the saphenous vein. Its just amazing some of the things my body has been thru, I can only imagine if every boo-boo, infection, injury or pimple came back all at one time... UGH, I'd be a monster!

That's good you remembered what Hub's got. And its even better that he doesn't have them anymore. Make sure you get credit. Oops, mabbe not, he might stop taking the DE! haha

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Now, as to reactions to stings---my system over-reacts, but not all the time. Sometimes, painful, but just some swelling. Other times, a sting on the toe can swell up to the hip. ER time! I've found benadryl helps. BUT, I have no reaction, whatsoever to the plant poisons, Poison Ivy, Oak, etc., but I don't take it for granted - I keep away.
This weekend, for example, I helped a neighbor with her garden, tearing out weeds, sawing down old shrubs. She has the seeping rash on both arms, I've got nothing.

Just lucky, I guess!

After a "Wiki" search, what DH has is more like the seborrheic keratosis, which he has had treated cryogenically, but now they're coming off on their own. Thanks for the heads-up!

I just LOVE the great info in this group!

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Morning, girls....

None for me, Saundrella!
We've only been taking it for about a month.

Most of the studies are 90 days.

Trish~
Ya, the reaction we get from wasp stings is pretty sobering. Luckily their paper nests can be removed easily and safely by a blast from a hi pressure water nozzle at the end of a hose in the evening... no need for pesticides. Never used to have this reaction... I'm wondering if perhaps it has something to do with weak adrenals as cortisol release is what mediates a good many of these allergic responses. Next time it happens I'll treat it promptly instead of finishing the job first. Live and learn, I guess!

: )

The eyebrow sign... now whenever I see someone without them, or missing their tail end, I think "thyroid disease" as that's one of the markers. Same too with the swell at the base of the throat signifying goiter.

I've lost most of my body hair and some of my mane, but I think that's more about menopause than anything else.

Glad that your Hub is free of those spots. Are they called a actinic keratosis? That sounds like what they are. My dad had them. They usually appear on areas that are exposed to the sun... but aren't caused by the sun directly. Meaning you don't get them the same way as you get a tan. They just appear on areas that aren't usually covered by clothing.

In any case, since silica does help with collagen formation, particularly those who lack it in the diet, its should be helpful. So glad they are going away!

Beer is an excellent source of silica, by the way. Which might be why people say to rinse your hair with it for extra shine.

Have a fun day all!
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Any contraindications for anyone?

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Happy Monday, everybody.

Mzz - sorry abut the sting. I HATE that. I overreact, too when stung. Hope you're feeling better. I was also told I didn't look like a hypo patient because I had a lot of hair, strong nails, etc. Then - BAM coma! TSH 278.

Makes you want to scream.

Latest on DE: I now only take one tsp daily, skin is still nice and smooth, no night cramps. Now that it is summer, I do a lot of swimming in a nearby quarry - this is serious swimming in 50+ feet of water, one lap is about 400 yards. I used to have trouble with cramps in my feet when I swam, and I'd have to stop and massage my feet - all while treading water. Not fun! But the foot cramps are a thing of the past, so I am swimming farther and faster than ever.

I am growing eyebrows. Now, that may be due to almost a year on thyroid replacement, but I haven't needed to pluck since I was a teenager. Not that it matters much, because they are blond, but interfere with eye makeup!. I also now have to shave my legs frequently (arrggghh)

The strangest thing though, is with my DH. He has been takng DE along with me. For years, he has had these small, dark rough, slightly raised growths on his skin, that his dermotologist has had to "freeeze" off. Dozens of them at a tme, the Dr. says they are not due to sun exposure, and he has them removed every few years. I forget the name of them. Well, now that he's been taking the DE, these will just scrape off with a fingernail, with pink, smooth skin underneath - and they don't return. Maybe we were both suffering from some sort of silica/trace minerals deficiency.

We'll continue to take it daily, since it's doing us both some good.

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Hey All!

Got a wasp sting with a particularly bad local reaction while trimming my hedges on Friday nite, followed with a computer freeze today. So I've been out of the loop.

Thanks, Saundrella for the info on URSO.

Trish, Yikes! What your doctor said about being 200 lbs is similar to the response I got when I asked for a thyroid test. I was paying out of pocket at Planned Parenthood, the TSH test was $12 and they didn't want to give it to me because I "didn't look like I had it". LOL . Such a shame to be treated like this... I could just imagine what would happen had I been less assertive.

Bella~
Sounds like a good idea... limit yourself to one source of silica. You don't want to overdo ANYTHING... overdoing is always excess. Excess creates problems.

I don't think that the Wolf Creek DE is substantially different from any other DE.
As pointed out by HPS, the good thing about it is that it contains trace minerals.



HPS~
I read that about rising TSH levels, but it doesn't concern me because the levels of circulating thyroid hormone remained the same. Ultimately that's what's important.

The Springerlink that you provided is the same one that I sited... was that intentional? Here's the body of it:

"A decrease of magnesium concentration in serum was observed with accompanying elevation of registered calcemia. Moreover, a reduction of tissue calcium levels was found with a simultaneous increase of magnesium tissue pool.
The results provide evidence for silicon involvement in mineral metabolism. It could result in a modification of pathological processes concerning bone tissue."

I drew completely different conclusions from it.. that the increase of magnesium in the tissue is a good thing and may be the mechanism preventing cramps. Excess calcium in tissue is what causes things like bone spurs in plantar fasciitis.

In any case, I think this goes back to Bella's point of not taking too much silica and what you've come to here... a small amount is good.

Have a wonderful Monday...
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There is not a better source of trace minerals than Diatomaceous Earth. I am pretty sure mine are off. I'm starved myself for years trying to control the weight. And it didn't work. Nothing worked until the thyroid blood chemistry could be balanced. Biosil/Jarrosil don't have the minerals.

As far as I am concerned the increased TSH is a big negative because of the paragraph above.
"The influence of silicon-treatment on the levels of TSH and thyroid hormones was studied in rats. Concentrations of thyrotropin (TSH), triiodothyronine (T3), and thyroxine (T4) were estimated in sera of rats receiving per os a soluble silicon compound—sodium metasilicate nonahydrate (Na2SiO3·9H2O), dissolved in the animals' drinking water. An increase in the TSH level in the tested group was observed, without statistically significant differences in T3 and T4 concentrations between the two groups of animals. The results provide evidence for the influence of silicon on the endocrine balance."

There are several research reports on the same site. It looks like they OVERDOSED rats with silicon (Jarrosil/Biosil type), studied the heck out of their chemistries and wrote several reports mentioning different enzymes. springerlink3.metapress.com/content/
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Finally the food journals will be of some use. I am going to see if I can learn how estimate how much silicon I might be eating. It might be good to take DE as a supplement in a small amount similar to a vitamin.

Anyway that's where I am today.






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Thanks for the info Mzz!
So now I'm not sure I will continue with the DE. I realized on the website where I bought the DE, WolfCreek, there are no research studies, just 3 testimonials from a trainer and two DVM's. Also, I'm taking Horsetail extract which has Silica in it as well. Hmmm more research to be done. Thanks for the insights!

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We could start what easily could become an endless thread dedicated to this subject alone!

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Talk about NOT trusting doctors? About 2005, I went to a "new" GP. During the physical, I shared with him that I was frustrated with my weight, that I knew what I ate, and how much I exercised, but I had a very difficult time losing weight.
His response to me was that most women didn't really worry about their weight until they were over 200 pounds. So, being the nice little Doo-Bee I was, I shut up. I didn't know what questions to ask.
Fast forward to July 22, 2011 - I am in intensive care, with what looks to be a stroke - with a TSH of 278. Yes, 278. The attending physician repeated it to others more often than you would believe.
Now, my NEW doctor looks over my records, and finds I've been in trouble since 2007. I trust her, but I don't trust the entire profession.

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FYI, Ms Mzz,

"Ursodiol is used to treat a group of conditions known as cholestatic liver diseases (e.g., primary biliary cirrhosis). Cholestatic liver diseases are characterized by a decrease in bile secretion and bile flow.

Ursodiol is a natural component of bile and helps to increase the amount of bile and to increase bile flow. This helps symptoms associated with cholestatic liver diseases."

I've been taking URSO for 2 1//2 years, now. It immediately returned my liver enzymes back to normal.

Here's the sad/mad part: Ten years ago, I was referred to Mayo because my doctor didn't know what was going on with my liver as I didn't fit any of the medical profiles. To his credit, the Mayo doctor recommended I be put on Urso to see if it would bring my liver enzymes down. If I had PBC, I would respond to the URSO, if not; no harm done. My doctor, here, never bothered to follow the recommendation because 95% of people with PBC test positive for anti-mitochondrial antibodies and I tested negative. Turns out, I am one of the 5% of PBCers without the AMAs. So, my enzymes could have been restored to normal ten years ago and I would not be where I am, today. Grr-r.

Bottom line: I trusted my doctor to do the right thing by me and that was a mistake, obviously. It's difficult for me to trust doctors, now. I'm always wondering what they are NOT telling me. I'm not kidding you when I say that my doctor, here, never even explained to me what was happening to my liver.

Ask questions, people!!

I will do some research on the DE. Thanks.

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Ahhh, the medical/drug industry. Numerous drugs for ED, and even a drug to make your eyelashes grow longer......wow.

And whenever I get into a discussion with someone about Medical care and the free market, well, as long as the Insurance companies are holding all the cards, there is no such thing as a Free Market. And, I say this as a person with family members, and, myself, once upon a time, in the insurance industry.

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Good morning all!

Bella,
Just my opinion, but I don't think that DE works to get rid of intestinal parasites and here's why. DE's method of action on insects, is via dehydration. This is done in two ways...
1.By absorbing any waxy lipids that keep their chitin shells flexible
2. By the sharp glass shells of the diatoms creating wee cuts in the chitin of their shells, leading to infection and dehydration.

Since insects have to molt, ie shed their shell in order to repair any damage to it, and since molting can't be done at will, what happens is that bacteria get in, the moisture leaves, weakening dehydrating the insect. At least this is my understanding of the mechanism.

Humans and nematodes have a different system. Our skins are flexible, rather than rigid, we are constantly shedding our skins. Enterocytes (cells in the gut) live only for a few days. s even if they are damaged they are quickly replaced. Additionally DE has to be dry in order to work on insects... our guts are full of moisture.
Which is why, to the best of my knowledge...DE doesn't dehydrate us or cut us up the way it does insects.

So unless I am missing something, I don't think that DE gets rid of internal parasites as its claimed to do. If anyone can find a scientific abstract supporting its successful use for this purpose, please bring it to the group's attention as I would love to know the mechanism which internal parasites are removed. I'm, a great believer in scientific method, I only hold an opinion until new data makes it obsolete!

That said, I do think our pups will benefit from the silica in the DE for this coats, skin and bones.My personal experience is that healthy animals tend not to attract fleas as much as the frail.


Hey Saudrella!
Good to see you!
Glad you are having some success with the URSO.
That's one I haven't heard of before.
I think silica, either in the form of DE or Biosil/Jarrosil might help strengthen the collagen in the walls of your capillaries, improving the hemotomas of your esophagus. But I would do some research online first to see if there's any contraindications, as autoimmune biliary cirrhosis is nothing to play with. One of the three places that silica is concentrated is the liver. So it may help there as well? I would do some research... find some abstracts or scholarly articles. If you find anything interesting, please bring it to this thread!

As for DE filtering toxins from your blood.. my opinion is that that's not going to happen. DE is used in wine making, also in pools for filtering, in these situations the fluids are passed directly thru DE.

What I think DE does do, its bind bile salts within the lumen of the gut, preventing it from being recycled, thereby lowering cholesterol about 20 points. But as HPS pointed out, if your LDL is super high, lowering it to high is beneficial, but its not GREAT. LOL

I'd be careful with it, though, since excess silica can cause kidney stones. You're already having problems with one filter(your liver), you don't need complications in your other filter (kidneys). Make sense?

So I'd suggest more research first...
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Trish
I am so happy you are having such great success! I'm thinking its possible that your body either has a natural tendency not to be able to absorb silica, or your diet has been deficient. Now that you are providing silica at a dose that your individual body requires for good health, many of your symptoms of low silica have resolved! YAY

I hope that your pup benefts from this. I had a mini-schnauzer growing up that I adored, he was as smart as a whip. I've also heard that silica is concentrated in our lungs, kidneys and liver. So it may helps with the lungs themselves. I don't know.

That's super you discovered sinus lavage, way before your doctor, and used it to help your husband. I was introduced to neti pots by my sister back in the 90's when she came for a visit, she learned about it from her Israeli friend. I'll never forget the first time she demonstrated its use in my bathroom. LOL It really can be beneficial for colds, but not everyone is comfortable with it. When we use it here at home, I grind up and dissolve a bit of Xylitol in the saline, as that has antibacterial action.

As to why Medicine doesn't have a better grip on Thryoid Disease... my thoughts there are that with as much as researchers and doctors know, much of it is still a mystery... the art of medicine is still in its infancy. Throw in the factor that each human being is a unique soup of circumstance and you can see why the one size fits all brand of medicine doesn't really fit all human's perfectly 100% of the time!

Additionally medicine has become big business, driven by economics and gated by the insurance industry. The time and cost that are required to bring a medicine or machine to market is astronomical, so unless a medicine can be patented and some of those costs recouped, beneficial discoveries are not developed or publicized. Such is the way of the world... which is why making little discoveries on our own is such a thrill!

Have a fun day, peeps!
'til soon....
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I'm still taking the DE daily. No leg cramps, skin is still very smooth. I recently got a nasty scratch on my arm (from my friend's 5 mo old German Shepherd, who I take out at lunch time) it healed with NO scarring. I usually scar very badly.

I might try the DE on one of our dogs. She's a mini Schnauzer mix, rescued from a shelter, who has that esophogeal problem, too. The vet diagnosed it the first time she saw the little thing. (That and the fact that she was far older than we were led to believe, but that doesn't matter) Perhaps it will give her some relief. The poor thing chokes and gags interminably whenever she gets the least bit excited.

Saundrella, if I were you, I'd give it a try. Since silica is a naturally occuring mineral, I don't see where it could do harm.

If I may offer a bit of experience: 20 years ago, my DH was suffering terriby with Chronic Sunusitus. He had 6 surgeries. I read a book called "Sinus Survival" which recommended a sinus wash of warm saline to help the sinuses remain clear and healthy. The doctor ( a Hopkins trained ENT) was aganst it. We did it anyway, and most of DH's problems got better. Now the SELL Netti Pots and packets to make the solution in stores! We were 10+ years ahead of that!

This is one of the reasons I don't trust doctors. They don't seem to be ahead of the learning curve - which is exactly where THEY should be, not following the Pharmaceutical Industry who is always looking to make a buck. (Sorry for the vent)

And, as I have often lamented - Why doesn't the medical world have a better grip on Thyroid Disease? Everybody has one.

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What do you think of DE for helping reduce toxins due to unfiltered blood in liver disease. I have portal hypertension, a back-up of pressure due to hardening of the liver. This blood has to go somewhere and so it seeks out the place of least resistance, i.e. the wall of the esaphagus and stomach. I have both gastric and esaphageal varices (hemorrhoids) and the blood from these veins makes it's way up to the brain unfiltered of toxins by the liver. What about DE to help detoxify this unfiltered blood?

Don't hesitate to ask any questions. I'll answer whatever I am able. I realize my condition is more complicated, probably, than yours having a normal, fully functioning liver. Just wondering what you think of DE working for me. I am very low on zinc. Am presently taking 440 mgs a day. I will become more prone to infection as my condition gets worse, so I'm wondering if the DE would be good since it has antibacterial properties, too.

Right now, my liver enzymes have returned to normal after taking URSODEOXYNUCLEIC ACID. Problem is, whatever damage was already done to my liver, is permanent. Don't know how long the URSO will work for me but whatever good cells I have left are working normally, right now.

I have Primary Biliary Cirrhosis. It's not due to drugs or alcohol. It's an autoimmune disease. The hypothyroidism fits right in. I also have very low platelets = 27,000. No help for that. And sicca syndrome (dry eye). Fish oil helped that. The list goes on. :o)

Mainly am interested in the DE. Sounds interesting. Maybe not a question you can answer. I dunno. I don't get much of any input from my doctor. Seems like he's just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Don't tell me to get another doc because he's the one who will make a decision about the possibility of getting a transplant.

I'm learning to cope. It's been hard getting a diagnosis like that but I'm doing pretty well right now.

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Hi all!

I wasn't able to read the whole article, I couldn't open it. But, I'm getting that silicon is very important in the various functions of the body. I'm curious to learn more. The human body is so fascinating, it's like a puzzle to figure out.

Mzz, I give it to my dogs too. One of them had tapeworms before so I thought it would be good to cleanse their systems.

Have a good evening all!
Bella

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Good morning Spark beauties!

Another interesting link, HPS!
Seems as though the TSH rises with thyroid hormones remaining the same, when the rats were fed dissolved silica.
Is that what you got out of it?

I saw this on the sidebar
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What's I'm getting from this is that silica seems to reduce the amount of magnesium and raises levels of calcium in the blood. Increased magnesium in the actual tissues of the body, with a reduction of calcium.

Potentially this could explain the mechanism behind the reduction of leg cramps? Being as magnesium has a tendency to relax muscle, while calcium contracts... which ultimately is what a muscle cramp is... an extreme contraction.

Sounds good to me!

Bella
I like your plan! Everyone has to figure out what works for them, as we're the ones that have to live with those choices. To me, giving yourself that freedom thru education and research, then being able to freely discuss our findings here on the forum is a real boon.

I'm learning so much and loving it!

I'm also giving DE to my pups.
Both of them have been diagnosed with some degree of collapsed trachea, which gives them an intermittent non-productive cough. Collapsed Trachea is exactly what is sounds like, its a condition where the rings of cartilage are shaped like a C with a membrane stretched across the open jaws of the C... when the animal breathes, rather than this membrane staying taunt, it aspirates into the trachea, partially blocking the passage of air.
UGH. Just thinking about it makes me feel like choking!

Tomas, my male pup, was really suffering, as this condition tends to be aggravated by whatever pollen is highest in summer. Grass mabbe? Dunno. Anyways, both of them are so much better since starting the DE. Tomas used to not be able to walk around without that ghastly cough. Now he'll cough, and not as deeply, when he wakes up in the morning. Frankly I'm beginning to think its become an affectation to be me out of bed early. LOL

All joking aside.. my thoughts here are that the membrane of the trachea is made of collagen and DE's addition to his food has helped strengthen it so that it remains stretched across the rings of the trachea... rather like how silica strengthens the aortic arch and blood vessels.

Now if that would only translate into resilient skin on our bodies, we'd be in business, eh, HPS?

Okay, girls... ya'll have a fun day...
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I'm trying the DE to see if it helps with the lipomas, hair growth, toxin removal, and if I ever picked up parasites it would be good to get rid of them with the DE. However, I'm not sure the timeline of these things, I think the physical action of getting rid of parasites or toxins would be faster, but the others are more long term. I may use up what I have, and take a break and try the Jarrosil, or use the DE 4xper year or something as an internal cleanse. I noticed on the Wolf Creek website the author says he/she takes the DE everyday.
More to learn!

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hey Bella!

Actually, I like this article so much, that I'm going to print it out (minus the references) and look it over in detail since its so well researched and documented. There's a lot of info packed in there, and I want to make sure I am clear on its contents, one quick read before my gym classes this morning just doesn't do it justice.


Yes, I did see that about Kidney Stones.
Excess is never better, its always too much.
Then again, what is too much in this scenario and what it just right?
This Goldie Locks wants to know and I suspect we all do!

As for my dosage... I'm only taking about a half-1 teaspoon of DE at lunch, a second half to 1 teaspoon at dinner and 6 drops of Biosil at nite(the dose for good bones)... which is roughly half the 10 drop daily dose of Biosil recommends for good hair, skin and nails.

I'm not worried about this, since my belief is that the DE doesn't get into the bloodstream to the extent that Biosil and Jarrowsill do... DE's action seems to be in its the interaction with bile salts within the lumen of the intestines.

(SIDE BAR)Also noticed that the orthosilicic acid found in Biosil/Jarrosil, seems to combine with calcium, to form calcium silicate so I will not be taking it with any minerals or milk, prolly just in distilled water on an empty stomach.

Since I have a LDL cholesterol problem, I need to take the DE. PLUS I've got a honkin' big box of it... 10 pounds. LOL The original study I read that got me excited about silica, used DE to lower LDL cholesterol... albeit a modest reduction of 20 or so points, but I'll take it.

About bones, UGH I also read that postmenopausal women (that's me these days) didn't experience the bone regrowth that women with cycles and men do. O it just FIGURES! LOL

Since men don't loose their testosterone quite to the degree that females do as they age, I'm thinking to some degree steroid (sex) hormones might be necessary to get the bone re-mineralization effects of silica. So this will be my next area of online research.

If you guys find anything about this, please write about it here, or at least let me know.

What are your thoughts?
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Thanks for the article HPS!

Mzz,
Do you think you'll continue taking both the Biosil and DE? I wonder about the reference to possible kidney stones.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; . . . who at best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly.” —Theodore Roosevelt


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Love the article, HPS!
Pretty all inclusive.

Very well documented, too, about half the content is references to studies.

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This is just my opinion, based on the little I have learned about silica:

Very little of the silica from the DE is actually absorbed into the bloodstream. Its beneficial action is primarily in the physical action in the gut, binding bile, thereby lowering cholesterol slightly.

Biosil, in the form of orthosilicic acid , and Jarrosil, in the form of silicic acid, is liquid silica. Its absorbed more completely into the body so can work forming collagen in skin and bone.

So I've been taking Biosil (different formula that Jarrosil) as well as DE.
I take my fish oil and oil soluable vitamins in the morning... no Biosil or DE.
Reasoning here, is that if silica binds oils, it can also bind oil soluble vitamins... don't want that to happen!

I take DE at lunch several hours later... and with dinner.

And 5 drops of Biosil sometime in the evening before I sleep.

Here's HPS's link hyperlinked... I haven't had time to read it yet, but I will after I get back from my evening's walk!
Thx HPS!


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PM
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Bella,
I found this article. It talks about absorption and mentions Biosil favorably. It also mentions the thyroid.


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Is anyone taking DE and the Biosil or Jarrosil together? Can you overdue it on the Silica? I'm only taking the DE, but am thinking of taking the Jarrosil as well, I'm wondering if both are absorbed the same way?


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LOL!
Gotcha.

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Oh, yeah, I've tried.

But, you see, I'm the STRANGE one who eats low carb, takes strange things for her health, exercises and isn't terribly ill and morbidly obese like most in the family. emoticon

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That's just amazing, Trish!
Have you thought about suggesting DE to your relatives?

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HPS, I wish I could hep you with "elastic". What I can tell you is:

The rough, hard "bumps" that I HAD on my arms, fronts of my thighs, and an area above my gall bladder incision scar (done before they did lap. surgery) are 100% gone. The rough skin on arms and legs I've had since my teens. The patch on my abdomen, only since the surgery in 1981. That condition runs in my family. Mother had it, a few of my brothers have it, and one nephew, now in his 20's has it so bad he has seen a dermatologist.

As far as "elastic"? The skin is now very smooth, supple, not too different from the skin on my inner arms any more. Those were the bumps that I used to scrape off with a dry emery block that I used for my feet, then moisturize. The bumps are a thing of the past, and I am no longer embarrassed to be touched on the arm. The last one - rather large (1/4 the size of a pea), dropped off when I simply rubbed it with my finger.

This result, and the cessation of the night leg cramps will have me "eating dirt" forever.

I won't know about the cholesterol lowering benefits until next month, the BP has gone down a bit.

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Good morning!

Up a bit early here, last nite leg cramps returned with a vengeance. Haven't been taking my hour's walk last nite or the two prior, didn't supplement my salt, ugh.

I'll post any breakdown of the PermaGuard DE that I receive from the company. I did find short mention of its constituents here:
perma-guard.com/fossilshell.html

Perma Guard's "analysis" link didn't work. After reading info on their site, IMO it may be because as a naturally occurring and mined product, variability between one batch and the next will occur and they don't run chemical analysis on each and every batch.... just post generic info about it.

I was interested to know that their DE is from fresh water diatoms, specifically Melosira Preicelanica, which look (to me at least) like cylindrical Wheat Chex under magnification! Their claim is that these Diatoms hold their shape and don't dissolve the way that diatoms sourced from the ocean do. I'm not so sure that this is necessarily desirable, IMO a higher dissolution rate would mean more silica could actually be absorbed into the blood stream for use all over the body. Whatevs.

HPS~

LOL About me writing that article! Although it was gratifying to read that someone much brighter than I had come to similar conclusions. Got to get back to it after I do a bit of walking.

I love that you have an interest in chemistry, cuz that's something I only have only a rudimentary knowledge of!

I checked the formulas of the various orthosilicic acid products.
The Biosil I have is orthosilicic acid stablized with Choline with water and Glycerol.
The one I have is distributed by Natrol.
IMO Biosil has been bought/is now being distributed by Jarrow, as I see it advertized as "Jarrow's Biosil"
They also sell a product called "Jarrosil", which has a slightly different ingredient list (and packaging) than Biosil. The ingredients are: Deionized water, polyethylene glycol and methyl-sulfonyl-methane (MSM). "Activated silicon", Boron and Zinc. No mention of Choline. Hmm. Guess that's why its JARROsil. ha

HPS I think you're right about the DE reacting more readily in the alkaline environment of intestines rather than the acidic stomach, as strong bases (such as lye), can't be stored in glass (which is made of silica).

Got to get walking before it gets too bright outside.
Ugh mabbe I can get some sleep afterwards...
Later gator!

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Trish-
Your results are impressive and I am looking forward hearing more. It is great you do not have leg cramps. I am keeping my fingers crossed that I will hear the word elastic when you mention your soft skin.
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Mzzchief-

Thank you for the insight. Did you write this article? You could have.

http://www.enerex.ca/en/articles/hypothe
sis-silicon-fibre-and-atherosclerosis

I have Pure Earth D as well and am interested in what it contains.

In addition to the physical, there is a chemical component. (Can't help myself, one of my minors).

I think Biosil and DE are different chemical formations of silicon. The silicon is the main element making these diatoms. I saw diagrams of both processes a few days ago, but can't find them now.

Biosil and Jarrosil use this method to stablize the silicon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicic_acid I don't know about Biosil but Jarrosil contains a little oil maybe to keep it from evaporating.

DE is stabilized naturally by o2 from the air. It don't think it does much until it reaches the small intestine where alkaline pH makes it easy for the oxygen to be removed and the silicon to become part of something else used to build something like collagen, bones, more elastic tissues etc. The bonus is there are 4 oxygen ions remaining to attach to something else like free radicals. Trish and others are having such quick results, the body really seems to how to use these trace elements.

Elastic is a word I am noticing being mentioned. One theory on why it lowers blood pressure is that it makes the aorta more elastic so it gives a little with each heart beat.
http://www.atherosclerosis-journal.com/a
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Good morning, Beauties!

Trish~
I'm really looking forward to your results as well. Glad your leg cramps are history, your skin is getting softer and your body hair is growing back. Well not that you couldn't live without that last one! ha But its a sign of "normal" which is good... nah, its GREAT!

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Some of this may also just be your thyroid hormones getting to better levels and staying there for several months... everything evening out. You mentioned that you just were dx'ed last year... it takes AT LEAST one year... in my opinion... of being on thyroid replacement hormone to start getting back to "normal" and prolly closer to two years before you ARE normal again! LOL Thyroid hormone is the gas and oil our engine needs so that when you're first dx'ed your body often has been running on fumes for so long that organs need time to rebuild themselves to get back to optimal speeds ... balance themselves out with the rest of the body.

All good stuff, happy for ya, and here's to mid- July!

HPS!

Hey thanks for the clarification, where I got confused is that you were blending the study results with your observations on your and your hub's HDL to LDL ratio over a period of time which was way longer than the 4 weeks that the study did their follow up. I understand what you're saying now... your experience has been that the less LDL you've got, the less of a need there is for HDL. I agree that the body is resourceful, it only makes what it needs unless there's some underlying pathology that's causing it to over or under secrete.

Thanks for the link to the Wolf Creek Ranch DE! I'd seen that before when I was looking to buy some. Here's that link, hyperlinked for anyone else reading this:
wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/diatomace
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I'm taking " Pure Earth D" brand with is repackage Perma Guard DE. Contacted them for an analysis of their product this morning but have not received a reply. Looking at the stats on the Wolf Creek, the thing I found most interesting is that 99% of the DE was acid insoluable matrix.. which indicates to me that those microscopic cyclindrical cages of DE pass thru the gut intact. Leaving me to think once again, that there is a physical component to the way this stuff works. Either by absorbing bile, lipids, altering the bacterial concentration or profile of the gut, or somehow physically removing dead enterocyctes or reducing/stimluating mucous that lines the intestine. IMO these are all areas that can be investigated further!

In any case, my conclusion is that the silica in Biosil is different from DE.
What do you think?

Time to work out... more later!
Good chatting with you , HPS!

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Wow, this discussion has become far too detailed and scientific for me!!! I sure am grateful that you have all this knowledge and are willing to share.

My update: It's now been about three weeks since I started taking the DE. Still, no muscle cramps, and my skin gets smoother almost by the day. I still have to shave my legs more frequently, so perhaps this is helping overall hair growth - my head-hair was never a problem.

The real test will be in mid July when I get bloodwork, and my cholesterol gets checked. My HDLs are great - 75, total cholesterol is 199,but I'm taking a Statin - but at the end of July it will be one year since my hypothyroid was discovered. Maybe I can get off the meds, and only take the Synthroid (here's hoping)

MZZCHIEF - thanks for the tip on the CoQ10. I'll get some.


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"I don't understand what you are saying about HDL... as it sounds like you are saying two contradictory things? What I hear you saying is that there's more HDL because its not being used up by LDL. That part I agree with. But then you go on to say that the body stops making as much HDL since its not needed,but that's not what the study on DE found. They said that after DE supplement stopped LDL levels remained suppressed and HDL rose."

They only looked at 4 weeks. Part of the reason, I want to see the profile numbers. I am thinking that as LDL drops, over time the body gets the message not to make as much HDL so the HDL value will drop. I know mine did. We tracked it and the LDL, which is part of the reason DH got serious about his cholesterol. I hope this makes sense as a possibility. I am not saying this will happen to anyone else.

I measured like you did at first with quarter tsps and my scale shut off before I could finish. Then I used teaspoons and when I got to 3 tsps the scale read 3 grams. I made the assumption that 1 tsp is one gram or 1000 mg and went from there. There is a good reason to take as small a dose as possible. Look at the right column. http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/diatomac
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It is a great question about the administration times. I hope we can find out.

I really want this to be about the trace minerals because I have some osteopenia and sagging skin and my cholesterol profile is fine.








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hey HPS!
Thx for posting your results!

Here's your link, hyperlinked: www.inviciblescars.com/scar-silicone
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I had a situation years ago when I was deep frying my husband's catch of striped bass... since deep frying was not something I was familiar with, when I added the fish to the oil, some of the hot oil "jumped" up onto my face (chin) and stripped the skin off. I used the silicone gel sheeting to reduce scarring. You can only see the "scar" when I smile, there's dimpling in the scar area. I didn't have a control, so I can't say it would look any different if I'd done nothing. But I wore those silicone sheets religiously... all nite and day, only removing them when I had to leave the house.

A silicone gel sounds so much easier to deal with.

DE
I'd be interested in hearing what you think of the actual study should you locate it.
I would, for one... like to know if the DE was given BEFORE meals, if so, how in advance, or if it was simply given at 3 evenly divided time increments (say once every 6 hours) during the course of the day. Just to see if perhaps the DE is perhaps physically making dietary fats unavailable by "soaking" them up or otherwise interacting with the contents of the gut, much the way that DE is used in filtering lees from wine. OR if its entering the bloodstream and doing some sort of binding there. OR a combination.

Here's a link to wine and DE filtration, its a really comprehensive read:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarification_
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Ya I agree 248 is still high. Even if your HDL is in the 90s.

I don't understand what you are saying about HDL... as it sounds like you are saying two contradictory things? What I hear you saying is that there's more HDL because its not being used up by LDL. That part I agree with. But then you go on to say that the body stops making as much HDL since its not needed,but that's not what the study on DE found. They said that after DE supplement stopped LDL levels remained suppressed and HDL rose.

About the CoQ10 (uibiquinone), you're right... the reduced form ubiquinol is supposed to be more bioactive! That's what I take.


When I tried to find out "how much" 250 mg was on my digital scale, it wouldn't register, as my scale doesn't parse grams. thought by adding DE one quarter teaspoon at a time eventually I'd get to one gram, but after getting up to 12 quarter teaspoons with no movement on the scale, I realize that wasn't working. LOL

So thanks for that information... a quarter teaspoon is indeed a wee amount to do so much.

I don't know about silica potentiating digestive enzymes, but if the bile is acting as a emulsifier by breaking fats into smaller globules, and the DE is in some way removing that bile, IMO pancreatic enzymes will have reduced fat surface area to work on due to the absence of bile... resulting in fewer free lipids/free fatty acid and correspondingly less assimilation by enterocytes? Dunno!
What do you think?

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Jarrosil Experiment
I have used Jarrosil about twice a week topically on my left face. There sure is no difference in facial structure, pores, skin texture, but there is a little brighter look to the left side of my face. I am going to call it a gentle exfoliant. There is no dryness or flaking.

But then look at this. http://www.inviciblescars.com/scar-silicon
e.html I think the gel might be the polymer that forms with silicon in an acid environment, but I need to research more. I just found this.

DE

I love the abstract. It gives a place to start thinking and fit it in with what we already know. Thank you so much for tracking it down. I am going to try to locate the actual study.

So I weighed my DE flour on my postal scale and did the conversions. The study used 250 mg 3xd. 1 teaspoon is 1 gram or 1000 mg. 1000/250 = 4. Their dose was 1/4 tsp, three times daily. The study would verify what they actually used and how they did it.

Reduction of 13% cholesterol in the study compares with 5-10% with diet to 18% with Zetia (works in intestines) and maybe 30% with statins (work in liver). They got the subjects down to an average of 248 from 285. We need to see what they mean by "low" for the entire profile. They did use the word "low" not "lower" in the abstract. My MD would say 248 was still high.

Just my theory, but the HDL testing higher may be because it does not have to defend against as much LDL. Looking at my labs over the years, that has been my pattern. It may not be an actual rise of HDL, we think it is just not being used up by LDL and the body will stop making as much HDL in response. And thank you for the info on CoQ10, I am not on statins but DH is and takes CoQ10, but maybe not the correct kind.

Your bile theory makes sense to me. Silicon molecules separate in an alkaline environment, like the small intestine. They are negative and can stabilize 4 free radicals each. Just wondering, could something like that make the digestive enzymes work better.































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How have your experiments with topically applied Biosil gone?
I understand that silica is drying, its why they put silica gel packets in with vitamins and supplements sometimes. I am also not sure if the orthosilicic acid molecule is small enuf to penetrate and get down into the epidermis. So I'll be interested in seeing how your experiment turns out.

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I went back and reread some of this thread. You mentioned taking Statins. One of the problems with Statins, is that they deplete the body of CoQ10, which can result in cramping, muscle wasting, low energy levels as well as gum inflammation.

The mechanism of depletion, as I understand it, is that both cholesterol and CoQ10 share the same substrate (raw material)... some of the substrate (HMG Co-A reductase) is turned into cholesterol, some into CoQ10.

Statins reduce cholesterol not by targeting cholesterol itself, but by reducing the amount of the substrate (HMG Co-A reductase). In the process CoQ10 is reduced as well. This is not a good thing, because as we age, we have less CoQ10.

I'm pretty sure you know about CoQ10, but if you don't or if someone else is reading along, here's some info on that:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10


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I've also read a bit more about how DE might be able to reduce cholesterol levels. One source of cholesterol in the body comes from bile. Bile is made in the liver, held in the gall bladder and secreted into the intestines to help digest fats. A portion of it is re-absorbed and recycled, by the intestines... returned to the liver as ... you guessed it....cholesterol.

So I'm thinking what's actually happening, is that those hollow diatoms in the DE are actually absorbing excess bile, and physically carrying it out of the body via the feces rather than returning it as cholesterol to the liver.

I'm also wondering if people with thyroid disease with refractory LDL, might just have greater bile production that euthyroid peeps?

Because another interesting finding in that study with DE, was that HDL (the Healthy cholesterol that scours arterial plaque and returns cholesterol to the liver) increased... and that LDL remained low, as long as 3 weeks AFTER the DE was stopped.

Perhaps the DE physically whisking away the bile, "trained" the liver to stop overproducing it, by breaking the cycle of stimulation, with high serum cholesterol from recycled bile from the intestines? My thoughts are that without this stimulation, the liver calms down, less bile is produced.

Building a bit on this... LOL... excess bile production means better absorption of fats, which we all know have more calories that any other nutrient at 9 calories per gram. This would be another reason why hypothyroid peeps gain weight, even when on a lower calorie diet, exercising and "doing everything right". It might not be "THE" reason, but it may be contributory.

So these are just theories... I haven't read anything to support this, its just me putting a couple of things together and coming up with something new that makes sense.

Dunno, what do you guys think?

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Mzzchief
Came back to add a link, here's the one study from Pubmed on DE and its effect on LDL:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9533930

Here's something about the role of bile:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bile

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I take my T4 and T3 med at nite... its the last thing I do before bed. It dissolves under my tongue while I sleep. This way I can eat and drink whatever I like, whenever I like and pretend I'm normal even though we all know I'm not. ha!

Hair and nails will not instantly get better. The silica needs to be absorbed in the gut, and incorporated in the structure of the hair and nails. So your "new" hair, by your scalp, and the new nail by the nail bed, will be what benefits. It will take a year or so for you to get 4-6 inches of regrowth on your hair and a few months to see changes to your nails... a good portion of your nail is in the bed under the cuticle.

Skin replaces once every 40-some days in most people. Lest we forget, we're not "most", we're hypos on meds! LOL If you're carrying an Aarp Card, its possible that turnover is even slower.

I suppose existing skin cells can absorb the silica, but I don't know that... in any case you might see improvement as the new cells get closer to the surface... the "stratum corneum".


I haven't had any cramps and I'm even getting frisky enough to try risky things like POINTING MY TOES! Wooooo! Would not DARE do that a couple of weeks ago or my entire leg would lock up.

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