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2/7/08 1:30 P

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try a low carb diet but it was not for me i do need my carb intake i get edgy if i diet too hard and in some minor way go to pieces so low carb is not for me BUT WHILE I TRIED THE ATKINS IT ADVOCATED COMING OFF CAFFEINE I HAVE TO SAY THATS THE BEST THING IVE EVER DONE.
i also have a friend who did" atkins to the letter" she never lost anything and it cost her a fortune .i think there must be too easy to make mistakes with subsequent weight gains if you do it wrong(all that fat"

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2/6/08 11:28 P

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I AM JUST FOR MAKING MYSELF MORE HEALTHY AND WITH THE HEALTH PROBLEMS I HAVE BEING DIABETIC IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG HERE I CANNOT FACE ANY DIABETIC COMPLICATIONS TO ADD TO WHAT ELSE MY BODY IS DOING....SO I WILL STAY ON A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE AND LOSE THE WEIGHT SLOWLY BUT STEADILY AND MAKE SURE IT STAYS OFF ONCE ITS GONE BY HAVING LEARNED A NEW LIFESTYLE......

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2/6/08 10:16 P

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Not that I'm advocating Atkins at all, but there is a physiologic basis for gaining that weight back after coming off that diet. (Wasn't Oprah another famous example of gaining that weight back after her low-carb diet?) It has to do with the serotonin levels in the brain and the long absence of carbohydrates... if you look into the book "the serotonin solution" they have a very easy to understand explanation of that, and offer a way to come off low-carb diets that helps avoid this pitfall. So at least in theory that is possible to avoid...

But I have to agree with you that what matters is how healthy you are and whether in the long run you are able to keep the weight off. Sure, many people who follow non-low-carb diets also gain back the weight, which is why it is so important to learn healthy eating habits that stay with you (hopefully) forever.

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2/6/08 9:28 P

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I don`t have the qualifications to add much to this debate, but out of simple observation I should point out that I don`t care who "loses more in average during a study". I care about who keeps it off, and how healthy they are in their life.

I find it very hard to follow the diet proposed by a guy often referred as "Fatkins"... Especially when all the people I know that used it gained all their weight back and more after going back to "normal"... Because they had no limits in fat intake and did not know the difference between whole wheat and white bread.

If you *think* you can do something, or that you cannot, either way, *you are right*


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2/6/08 8:20 P

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Well, with genetics like that I certainly don't envy you. Good for you that you did so well on Atkins. It will be interesting if/when science elucidates what makes it work so well for you (in terms of your lipid profile) while it does not work with others whose lipid profile is not so bad to start with!

Of course the "low fat" comment is simplistic. There is simply no time to go into detail here about all the different kinds of fat - everything from saturated to monounsaturated to polyunsaturated, never mind the differences between omega-6 vs omega-3 (pro or anti-inflammatory) and the ideal combination of the two...

My comment about low-fat was also prompted by the fact that in our society it is easier to eat the not-so-good fats than the better-for-you or good-for-you fats. I must say I envy you being able to eat sausages! I think it is only within the last 5 years that the complexity of fats in terms of health maintainance has been explored.

But then the low-carb diets also treat carbs in a pretty simplistic way! (All bad so cut most/all out.)

Anyhow, given that Atkins works for you, I think if your current diet fails you should definitely go with what you know works!

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2/6/08 8:01 P

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Re: my previous post and experience with a low carb diet. I have extreme genetic hypercholesterolemia and hyperlipidemia. My mother died from complications following an aorta-femoral bypass. Her surgeon characterized her plaque accumulation as "malignant". I have had triglyceride levels as high as 1100. I'm telling you that those numbers were normal for the first time in my life on an Atkins type diet. I, of course, realize that my experience is anecdotal in the extreme, but I can assure you, I ate animal fat in very high amounts. If my weight loss and low fat diet with exercise doesn't do it this time, I'm going straight back to a traditional Atkins diet, and I WILL be eating 8 inches of smoked sausage for breakfast. I agree that medical supervision is a good idea. I had medical supervision, but said MD didn't know I was following low carb. Your explanation that ingesting high animal fat is directly proportional to abnormally high lipid panels is well intended, but simplistic. There is certainly more than "a single article" out there for anyone who wants to look.

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2/6/08 7:40 P

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I agree, different things work for different people. I am working on lowering my carbs since that is how I usually gain weight, but I don't want to load up with high fat amounts in order to do that.

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2/6/08 7:35 P

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Let me start by quickly introducing myself, I'm an MD and follow a high-protein diet. However, I also aim to make it as low-fat as possible.

About that article. Keep in mind that a single article proves nothing. There have been at least 30-50 similar articles published, most show no advantage of one approach over the other. Some show an advantage of low-carb diets, others for low-fat.

I have nothing against low-carb; hey, I myself aim to lower my carb intake. I think the reason that there is no conclusive answer to this question is because different things work for different people. Some people have real problems with inappropriately high insulin levels; thus going on a low carb diet makes perfect sense to them.

The problem is that many low-carb diets are high-fat, and a very significant percentage of people are going to have problems with their lipid profiles on that diet. Add to that the average cholesterol levels in our country are already higher than perhaps it should be! If you are one of the lucky ones who does not have cholesterol/lipid problems on a low-carb diet, power to you! Or perhaps you just take extra care to make your low-carb diet high in protein but not high in fat??? Even more power to you.

For others the low-carb does not work because their brain serotonin levels really bottom out without sufficient carbs and therefore they find it impossible to stick to a low-carb diet (i.e. repeatedly fall off the wagon). Low serotonin levels are just as tough to fight as hypoglycemia.

So IMO, these studies are of limited usefulness. What you need to find out is what works for you. Is your issue too much insulin and consequent hypoglycemia? Then you need to lower your carbs (especially refined carbs). Or do you find that without carbs your serotonin levels bottom out? Read the "Serotonin Solution" book. If you choose a low-carb diet, be sure to check your cholesterol/blood lipids.

And remember that low carb does not have to mean high-fat. It takes a lot more energy, but you can make low carb diet a high-protein diet without excessive fats. Finally, remember that not all fats are created equal!

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2/6/08 6:31 P

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It is interesting, but I've had four friends who went on that diet and ended up with elevated cholesterol. Also when they had to go off, they gained all they had lost and then some.

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2/6/08 5:12 P

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BE CAREFUL AS I AM SURE YOU KNOW AS BEING A DIABETIC YOU HAVE TO WATCH THOSE CARBS AS I AM IN THE SAME BOAT......
GREAT ARTICLE NANCY.

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2/6/08 4:36 P

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I have type II Diabetes, High Blood Pressure and High Cholesterol. A few years ago, I went on an Atkins Diet. I'm an RN, so all my co-workers knocked it, and warned me about bad consequences, etc. So, when I went to my MD for a checkup a few months into it, I didn't tell her, because I didn't want the lecture. She literally danced into my exam room waving my lab work and said, "I don't know what you're doing, but whatever it is, don't stop!" Everything was normal or very close to it. That had never happened before. Too bad I didn't maintain it! Over the last 5 years, I have gained quite a bit of weight. This time, I'm using a low calorie approach, but if I don't get improvement on my numbers, I'm going right back to low carb.

Edited by: SLBBW66 at: 2/6/2008 (16:36)
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2/6/08 4:27 P

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Low-carb diet more effective than low-fat diet

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Duke University has released a study that shows that low-carb is a better way to lose weight than low fat.




People who followed a low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet lost more weight than people on a low-fat, low-cholesterol, low-calorie diet during a six-month comparison study at Duke University Medical Center. However, the researchers caution that people with medical conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure should not start any diet without close medical supervision.
"We found that the low-carb diet was more effective for weight loss," says lead researcher Will Yancy, MD, an assistant professor of medicine at Duke University Medical Center and a research associate at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina. "The weight loss surprised me, to be honest with you. We also found cholesterol levels seemed to improve more on a low-carb diet compared to a low-fat diet."

The study is the first randomized, controlled trial of an Atkins-style diet approach, which includes vitamin and nutritional supplements. Along with losing an average of 26 pounds, dieters assigned to the low-carbohydrate plan lost more body fat, and lowered their triglyceride levels and raised their HDL, or good cholesterol, more than the low-fat dieters. The low-fat dieters lost an average of 14 pounds. Though the low-fat diet group lowered their total cholesterol more than the low-carb dieters, the latter group nearly halved their triglycerides and their HDL jumped five points.

The low-carbohydrate group reported more adverse physical effects, such as constipation and headaches, but fewer people dropped out of the low-carbohydrate diet than the low-fat diet.

The results appear in the May 18, 2004 issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine. The research was funded by an unrestricted grant from the Robert C. Atkins Foundation. The study authors have no financial interest in Atkins Nutritionals Inc. The low-carbohydrate group was permitted daily unlimited amounts of animal foods (meat, fowl, fish and shellfish); unlimited eggs; 4 oz. of hard cheese; two cups of salad vegetables such as lettuce, spinach or celery; and one cup of low-carbohydrate vegetables such as broccoli, cauliflower or squash. They also received daily nutritional supplements recommended by Atkins -- a multivitamin, essential oils, a diet formulation and chromium picolinate. There were no restrictions on total calories, but carbohydrates were kept below 20 grams per day at the start of the diet.

The low-fat, low-cholesterol, low-calorie group followed a diet consisting of less than 30 percent of daily caloric intake from fat; less than 10 percent of calories from saturated fat; and less than 300 milligrams of cholesterol daily. They were also advised to cut back on calories. The recommended daily calorie level was 500 to 1,000 calories less than the participant's maintenance diet -- the calories needed to maintain current weight.

Study participants were encouraged to exercise 30 minutes at least three times per week, but no formal exercise program was provided. Both sets of dieters had group meetings at an outpatient research clinic regularly for six months.

The study builds on earlier results by the Duke University Medical Center researchers showing a low-carbohydrate diet can lead to weight loss -- the first study of the low carbohydrate diet since 1980. Dr Yancy and co-investigator Eric Westman, MD, are currently testing whether a low-carbohydrate diet can help diabetics control their blood sugar levels.




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