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Clumber, to answer your milking cows question, when I was still milking, I really didn't notice much from the warm udder. You see with using milk machines you just attach the milking machine and don't even do alot of touching of the udder unless you need to massage it after putting medicine in to each quarter or something like that. My husband would do that part. You'd probably milk your couple of cows or/and goats by hand and then I would think that you really would come up with more close contact than the machines. I myself, would still tend to by shy of doing it by hand too because of the repetitious milking movement and ouch for the hands after one milking. And then if she kicked, watch out! That's my main worry. Really as a rule, cows are docile. I don't know that much about goats. All I can think about goats all the time is seeing them eating the clothes right off the line! hahaahaha! We had a nanny goat at one time and it was a fact, that she'd go up to a salesman and chew on his coat! ha! And the little shed that she lived in, she'd once-in-awhile climb up on the roof and look around! They really can be characters!! Good luck to you with whatever you decide to do!

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A nurse suggested that I leave the Humira out of the fridge for 30 minutes or so to let it get to room temperature. Said it would be more comfortable. I haven't tried it yet. She also suggested holding the button on the pen for 20 0 25 seconds instead of the 10 sec. the directions say, so the medicine stays in deeper and none oozes out. I've been doing the shots in my abdomen and they sting a little, but not terrible. The force of the pen leaves a bruise that lasts two weeks so I can tell where the last shot was and move an inch away!

It did take 3 months to even start working for me, and then did improve more, so hang in there, Clumber. Best wishes.

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Back at you! Well at least I'm not weird... alone, anyhow, about the nettle sting. LOL

We've been talking about getting a couple cows or goats, probably will go with goats to try at first. We've worried that I would have trouble milking them on bad hand days, but others have said that the milking, especially of just a couple, actually soothes the joints because the udder is warm and the movement is gentle. What is your experience? If we get goats I am the designated caregiver for them. We are hoping we can maybe find someone nearby who would "lease" us a goat next Spring to try out before committing to an animal. Well, a couple animals since we know they need their buddies.

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You are not alone with the Humira injections feeling like one of the worst bee/nettle stings ever! I have my husband do it because I'm afraid I'd be pulling it out way too soon! I hang on to my husband's shirt collar and scream when I have to, mostly like bloody murder! Both our grown kids were in the living room at the time of an Enbrel injection and our daughter said, "Dad, is Mom ok?!" Because of my screaming and then I screamed, " No!" Yes, the Enbrel was just as bad for me! Our daughter was home visiting at the time, so she hadn't seen what I was like mostly every time. I have to say that there are times when it wasn't so bad but so far I haven't experienced that with Humira, but...........for how much better I'm feeling, I have to stay on it! I've been on it since April and with them saying that it can keep improving for 6 months, I'm looking forward to that. We milk cows and I still can't help with any chores, with being so fearful of my hands getting kicked at mainly with the milking and the bottling and carrying of pails and everything else, makes me cringe just thinking about it! So hopefully it'll get better. I wish for you to get better and better and I wish that there is something that they could do to tame down that sting!! Why does it have to feel like acid?!! There must be some reason! Hugs to you, Karen

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Last night was my 2nd injection of the Humira stuff. Do they intentionally put acid that burns like 1,000 nettle stings in it??!

I am afraid to "say it out loud" since i have had such optimism punished several times in the past year.... so far i seem to be improving very steadily.Side effects are far less horrible than the methotrexate injections and the Enbrel injections. Am also now starting to cut-down the pred gradually, YAY!!!! Have felt good enough to do the (hated) stationary bike about every other day, working up gradually. I am soooo looking forward to being able to workout, drop this flab, and start looking and feeling like myself again!!! (And be on as low a pred dose as I possibly can!)

Hopefully by Sept. 1st... the opening of Ruffed Grouse season here. I dearly want to be able to take my dogs hunting for grouse this year, and go hunting for deer with my bow, too. Of all the things this stupid disease has stolen from me, hunting with my dogs and hunting in general hurt the most.
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I've come to the conclusion that each foot has 4,275 joints. I am not a fan of discovering that ribs have joints - that seems unfair since the only way not to move ribs is to not breathe.

Using one of those paraffin wax things seems to help me get my hands "unfrozen" when they are really bad. Have not tried it on my feet only because (knock on the entire Amazon forest circa.1700!) my feet haven't been attacked since I got the paraffin heater thing.

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Clumber--- love the ...guess how many joints I have?! They do make themselves known.

I take prednisone in the morning after breakfast. I am trying a new cream...Australian Dream. My body, after the 30 minute dog walk, felt better by 9 am rather than usual 10 am. Cream or just the way today is going? emoticon

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Thanks, I do take it in the morning. Learned that pretty early on in this psychotic tour of "Guess how many joints your body has!" emoticon

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Do take prednisone in the morning. It will have less negative impact on your sleep that way. I was told that it actually resets your sleep/wake cycles so taking it at night reduces quality of sleep, in addition to the wired feeling that can keep you awake.

Just do your best one day at a time. It is tough.

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Yesterday I tippee toed through line dance with arthritis flaring. I came home and rested, going to bed early. I woke up surprised that my pain level was low. Before 8 am, Sadie, our terrier, and I went to the park. Two of her friends were there so she was able to run and play at the dog park. We then took a little one mile walk. I am now resting, planning an attack on cleaning this filthy house
I have taken Methotexate--hated it. My doctor recommended Areva and I am thinking .....no. So I remain on 5mg of prednisdone after lots of years not knowing what pain level each morning will bring. I have learned eating fruit helps....eating chocolate does not.
Hoping each of you have a good day!

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Hi, I feel your pain, literally. I've had RA for about 3 years. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
I asked my rheumy what is the best outcome? He said some people are ok on just MTX, they're the luckiest. I've been on it since diagnosis. I wanted to try every DMARD drug before trying biologics.
On MTX my hair has thinned, but it helped, just not enough.
Plaquenil made me feel sick to my stomach. It's a malaria drug, and I know people who took it to prevent malaria when traveling the world and all felt bad on it.
Arava made a liver enzyme test get elevated, so I had to stop it. I wasn't helping me at all anyway. The labs returned to normal.
I was on 2.5 to 5 mg of prednisone most all of this time.
Finally I went on Humira. It took 3 - 4 months to work but not it's almost like not having RA. I'm off prednisone and may be able to get off the MTX.
Everyone's response to the drugs seems different. That has been my experience. I'm sure your good Dr. won't keep you on pred longer than needed. It's just that these drug trials take months to see if they're helping.
Also, Someone with RA recommended subscribing to Arthritis Today magazine from the Arthritis Foundation, at least for a while. It's good. Their website is www.arthritis.org/ .
I wish you the best. Take care of yourself the best you can. Rest. Eat well. Move. One day a a time. -- Janis

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Thanks for you sweet comments, Laurel. Every disease situation is different in every person. I think one simply must "get busy living or get busy dying."

I ADORE my doc. He listens and ALWAYS follows my directions, even though he believes a certain drug might be good for me to try. If I refuse it, he says, "OK."

Blessings to everyone with all these awful RAD problems!!

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I agree that you need to be heard by your doctor. I really like mine. He is kind, listens and explains.

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Okay, one more comment and I promise I will step away from the keyboard for a bit!

Not only do I loathe prednisone in the actual and figurative sense, but I HATE how it tastes -- gagging level horrible -- and how it keeps off-gassing that taste for hours after I take it. So we got some empty capsules at a health food place and stick the pred in a capsule. I no longer taste it EVER. In fact, I keep forgetting if my pred is in the am dose or the pm.

I probably need to ask my new Dr about that, but it's worked for me for this entire past year since diagnosis.

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I mean, it's not like anyone really knows what RA is or how to fight/cure it for each person. There are almost as many battleplans against it, it seems, as people fighting it. I prefer a battleplan that somewhere takes ME into account, too.

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When my Dr wanted me to stay on the enbrel despite its horrible impact on me being able to live my life (PLUS on high doses of the methotrex) I got a new Dr.
Is my life and if I can't do the things I love, why am I bothering to fight? He can go suck rocks. My new Dr is awesome and listens and agrees.

I hate conflict but I hate being ignored and dictated to even more.

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Thank you. That was helpful. Several years ago, I was on methotrxate for one month. Hair falling out and other side effects made me decide to stop. 5mg of prednisone have kept me comfortable for several years. Recently, I have had increased inflammation in right foot, right hand and left knee. It has been uncomfortable walking the dog and line dance. However, discomfort is easier than the side effects I have read for Areva.
I am so sorry for all the difficulties you are going through. Hugs, Laurel emoticon

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ROCKPORT9, I certainly understand your hesitation and fear about the new drug. I'm not familiar with Arava. I vowed I would never take any of the chemo or biologic drugs - never say "never!" I refused any medications for TEN years, but RA was raging through my body wreaking havoc. When I was diagnosed, my disease was already very severe and progressed. Finally, after 10 ten years, I could absolutely not take the pain any longer. That's when I started Methotrexate (the chemo drug). It has lots of side effects, but it has helped me tremendously. I have also been on Remicade - "financial help" funding ran out and I can't afford the $4,000 per dose cost! I'm now on Enbrel, which I believe has done more harm than good. My doc wants me to have a trial period of at least 6 months on the Enbrel. That will be August. I will stop the Enbrel then, if not before. Just this week, I have re-started Methotrexate after having to stop a couple of times due to side effects.

This is just my medication story - probably doesn't apply to you and hasn't helped you. I wish I had some promising drug information for you, but all the chemo meds and the biologics are what they are - dangerous. Simple as that. Sometimes we have to choose the "lesser of the evils." emoticon

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I have been on 5mg of prednisone for years. At times, I could cut that in half. For the past six months, I have had immune system flareups with my asthma and in Feb. arthritis flareups in one hand, one foot and knee. I allowed myself to regain 20 lbs.
I am in my third week of a Spark challenge and doing o k....lost 4 lbs. I exercise by walking the dog, line dance and curves.
I saw my rheumatologist today and he wants me to try Arava which scares me more than prednisone.
Any suggestions?

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I completely agree with Mia! IT IS A FACT THAT STEROIDS (PREDNISONE) ARE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH!!

My friend with lupus, who always loved her Prednisone because it "made her feel better," has now had a total of FIVE total hip replacements!!! The bones in her feet just break at will. She may have 15 broken bones in her feet at any given time - has to wear these awful boots just to be able to walk a little bit.

PREDNISONE IS A BAD BOY!!!

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Please be careful with prednisone. It's a steroid and it leaches calcium from your bones when used long term. I understand that your in a transitional period and the Rheumy seems to be trying to stabilize you. Make sure you find out your calcium level when you get blood work. Talk to your doc about taking calcium and how much. In order for the calcium to work you will need to take Magnesium also. If I think of anything else you need to take with the calcium I'll let you know. I have to look it up. Please, please make sure you talk to your doctor about this and find out how long he expects you to be on the Prednisone. In order to build your bones you will need to do some weight training. You can talk to a personal trainer or look on this site for ideas. Weight training builds bones well and should be a regular part of your exercise training anyway. Walking is good for building bones also. I don't know how your insurance situation is, but you should get a bone density test to determine how dense your bones are. They measure your hip and wrist with, I believe it's an xray called the DEXA scan. You can get a baseline Bone Density Test and then 6 months later another one to find out if you are losing bone. That is if you are taking Prednisone for weeks and weeks or months. I would seriously consider getting off of this medication as soon as you are able to be stabilized on something else. I don't want to alarm you, but I'm cautioning you. This is not conjecture. It is a well known medical fact that Steriods leach calcium from bone. This should be a temporary medication and a last resort at best!

I hope you feel better. I know what it's like to be inflammed and in constant severe pain. Thank goodness you have found a decent doctor that is meeting your needs. If you need me to find you resources to back up what I've told you, I'll be happy to get the links for you. I don't want you to take my word for this by blind faith. Please look this up for yourself and talk with your doctor.

Have a great Memorial Holiday! emoticon emoticon

PS: I forgot about taking Vitamin D with Calcium. It helps the calcium absorb into your systems. Plus, I take Magnesium Malate along with Calcium. It helps your bones and it commonly used with Calcium. In addition Potassium is another vitamin that is used along with calcium. When my cousin who had osteoporosis was treated with prednisone long term, the doc prescribed Flouride.It's still experimental. Studies have shown that Flouride in low doses are effective. Large doeses produce osteoporosis. You can ask your doctor for a prescription for flouride. It help build bones. I believe you need a prescription for it. I've never seen it on the vitamin counter in the pharmacy. Here are some links that I like. I hope these help to clarify what I posted.

www.osteopenia3.com/dexascan.html
www.webmd.com/diet/calcium-food-calc
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STEROIDS ARE NOT THE ANSWER!!! My personal experience has proven this to me. I was on Prednisone, high dose, at first. Then, because my body reacted so negatively to it, my doc started weaning me off of it until I didn't take ANY. Damage was already done! It CAUSES osteoporosis! I fainted in the middle of the night when going to the bathroom and woke to a leg that wouldn't move - my hip was broken!! PREDNISONE!!!! No thanks!!

Steroids make you "feel" great - inflammation is decreased, etc. But, it's a LIE!! Don't take steroids!!!!!! emoticon

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Bazillion thanks, and Yes - I think we finally found a great one. She is with Virginia Mason (Seattle) which is over 2 hours from home, but I suspect will be worth it. My new GP is also 2 hours from home... in the opposite direction, naturally, but he's definitely worth it too.

This RAD crap is sure a massive speedbump in life, eh? I was brought up as "rub some dirt on it, walk it off. Don't be a wimp!" and happily avoid medical providers. So much for that! And asking for help? NOOOooooo! Has really been a life lesson that I didn't really think I needed... LOL emoticon

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I was on Enbrel too with no avail and then got switched over to Humira, which starting to work after 10 weeks. I got approved rather quickly for Humira, probably because of being approved on Enbrel already. I pay $5 for a month of it. Quite remarkably different than full pay, huh?! Wow, so sorry you had to go through your negative Rheumy! You'd think that they'd be more trained than that! What happiness for you to have a decent one! Yay! It sounds like you'll be taken care of so immensely well with your new one! You'll find that life can be so good once again hopefully with Humira. Good luck to you!! emoticon

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CLUMBAR - So sorry your boss doesn't believe RA is a "real" disease. I got lucky in that I had my first real flare while working at the company I still work at. My boss saw what the RA did to me even after I was off work for 2 weeks while I was being diagnosed and started on meds.

My new boss has taken his cue from my old boss and allows me time off to go to all the Dr's appts/treatments I need to keep me working.

I think it would really stink to have a boss that doesn't believe in it. Good luck!

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Thank you all MUCH! I was diagnosed almost exactly a year ago, and have had pretty crappy luck with doctors until this week. :) I had been on methotrexate (called it T-rex) and then my last Rheu-tologist added Embrel which ended up being really, REALLY bad for me. When he refused to listen to the problems - insisting that I just keep trying his way for another 2 months, and another 2 months....; then laughed at my questions; then referred to adaptive tools as being "only for cripples" I was DONE with him, and stupidly, done with all rheu meds for about a month and a half.
I do NOT recommend that reaction. :) Was good for me in a way, though, as I got my brain back and discovered that RA still really SUCKS and it wasn't all the meds... just a lot of it. My new Rheu Dr. is awesome and has an attack plan I am much more positive about. Hitting me hard with the pred (sigh... but I can function better just a few days back into it, I wish there was something that killed the inflamation but didn't have so many evil additional things... preaching to a choir. and will be on Humera once I get through the wacky world of insurance approvals. They approved the Embrel so I expect they will this too.

Oh and y'all will love this, my boss doesn't think RA is a "real" disease. Fun, huh.

Hopefully Year 2 of this war will be more productive than year 1. And hopefully I can wrest control of my body away from Pred better. Again - many thanks and please keep the advice, observations, and such coming.

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I've been on the beloved pred. since Nov. of 2008, when diagnosed, and it's the kind of drug that you love and hate at the same time. I knew in myself that I could never do without it, for all it's done for me. But now with being on Humira, a biologic that's been working so miraculously, there's hope that I can get weaned off it. My next RA appt. is this coming July and my Rheumy told me that he'll hope to start weaning me off of it then if the Humira is still working good for me. The other RA drugs that I'm on and hope to possibly get off them too are Methotrexate and Plaquenil, all strong drugs but I know that I could never have the quality of life without them. The Humira's been what's really giving my life back. Oh, I still feel the RA but nothing like even with the 3 RA drugs. My hands and wrists aren't constantly in pain. I am getting around better than I have in 20 years or more! I know that Humira is a super strong drug too but what is life when you are practically a invalid?~! Maybe one day you'll be able to get on some biologic too! Hope so!

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I've been on pred for ages, gradually working my way down. officially I'm at 4mg per day now, but actually only take 2mg most days, going back to 3 or 5 on painfully stiff days. I also take Enbrel shots weekly, which have really helped, but the most effective steps I've taken toward eliminating the painful imflammation involve changing my diet and greatly increasing activity. I stopped baking and eating sweets, changed to whole grains and nuts instead of white flour foods and choose fruits instead of confectionary desserts. I quit using vegetable oils and shortnings except for olive oil, coconut oil and a bit of butter. I swim whenever possible, or exercise in water. I walk, use a hand push lawn mower (no engine, just me!}.I use the elliptical trainer and small dumbbells when weather keeps me inside. It has taken 3 years, but I have lost 100 lbs. and regained some abilities I thought lost forever. Changing myself is the greatest challenge and much more work needs to be done, but I am very pleased with this progress so far. Learn to eat anti inflamatory foods, make time for exercise that is gentle on your joints(like swimming). Be patient and keep at it. Drop down your pred dosage as quickly as your body will let you. Don't be afraid to add disease modifying meds to your treatment, just be sure to follow up with testing and watch for side effects. You can learn to control , even stop, the progression of your disease.

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Hi! I also hate pred. What works for me? Exercise and eating as healthy as I can. Lots of freggies. Lot's of nuts (trail mix is great if a little high on calories) as Jeri said. But the biggest thing I've found is to move every day at least a little. It helps curb the cravings and it helps keep me focused on my goals.

Perhaps put a reminder in on the fridge/pantry asking what you really want?

Good luck!

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5/24/13 1:25 P

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Plan of attack: Keep low calorie, healthy snacks available. Stock up on fruits, nuts, etc. Drink a lot of water. And when you feel like exercising, do it. I was on prednisone for 7 years and I looked like I was wearing a fat suit!! At the time, I did no exercise at all, and I became quite sedentary. Now I'm finishing up a 6 week burst, I've eaten healthy foods, I've kept active. I did not gain any weight.

She woke up one morning and threw away all her excuses...
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5/24/13 12:53 P

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Fellow autoimmune warriors : Have any of y'all found a good attack plan for reducing the evil effects of prednisone? I've been put back on a pile of it (again) and am NOT happy about it. I want to get back to working-out every day, I don't like being the damn Marshmallow Woman that pred typically turns me into. So... HELP?? Success stories? Not just stuff you've heard, stuff you have made work for you?
There is currently no foreseeable timeframe for getting me down to zero pred. "We need to get your life back for you, and as immediately as we can." said my new Hero Rheutologist. as she agreed with me that pred is evil, but was firm that it is necessary in my "rather severe" battle.
So I have to expect and plan for being on the crap for awhile, so I am looking for tactical skills to lessen pred's impact.

MUCH thanks in advance and I raise a glass to all of us fighting this %$##$ of a disease.


I can give more background info if you wish, but I tend to blather too much so thought I would try to keep it minimal for a change.

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