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6/13/13 4:04 P

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Well the more I think it through the angrier I get. I was good on all my numbers for cholesterol last check a few months ago. She (md) did say triglycerides were a little high. I just don't take it anymore. I think the drs know this stuff and don't bother discussing it with you. I was already predisposed to diabetes by heredity and being overweight. I damn sure didn't need any more help getting it. I see a VA dr. Not real happy with them. Had to use my medicare and dr outside VA to get a meter as I am not insulin dependant. I think I will just go to him about it from now on. More and more displeased with VA. I'm 100% disabled veteran and everything is a battle for treatment. I want proactive. Thank God I also get SSD and medicare.

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6/9/13 6:50 P

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Statins also give me bad leg cramps. So I am off them. I was taking Nician, a higher dose, but my dr. had me quit that too. She had read some studies that said Nician really did not help lower chol. So, that is fine. Now I am on a very old chol. med and metforman for the pre diabetes. I just did my tests, and they came back good, well at least this time. :)

I know from my genes, that I am going to have high chol. and risk of heart attacks (mom's mom died of a massive heart attack and dad's dad died of heart failure due to a massive heart attack) Diabetes is not better in my family (Mom has been insulin dependent since she was 40 and Dad has been on shots for a couple of years now--they are only 66)

I am overweight and do not always eat right, but I am getting better!! I have decide to make this a long race and make it a life style change for me. Now, I am down 20 pounds from my highest, but I still have lots to go. But I am up for the challenge. Finding time to exercise, can be a challenge, but on those days, I try to do 2-3 strength training exercises. I has helpled me.

My new challenge to myself, is to try to do a SP video at least 4 times a week. I did not do so good last week, but I will this week!!

I am thinking about all of you.
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I know that the therapeutic dose for fish oil is much higher than the one that people without heart issues take as a supplement. At least 3 times as high I believe. The book "The Great Cholesterol Myth" has excellent details for this.
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Kathy, the doctor never said the name of the niacin, just was telling me I should either take it or a statin. My doctor said we would just have to keep an eye on my cholesterol since I couldn't take the drugs. For me, I just keep trying to take natural (fish oil doesn't work for me, either) omega-3s and get exercise. I'm sorry you got hives so bad. Those things are just awful. I had them when I was younger and we couldn't figure out what was causing them for that year and a half.

Talking about allergens and side effects being from something else other than the actual drug, I had that problem with chemo. One form caused my knee to hurt so bad I couldn't sit for more than 5 minutes while I was getting it. When they switched doctors (teaching hospital connected to University) my new doctor went and talked to the Attending and they switched the form of the drug, but I got the same drug. Never had a problem again other than I got the stomach flu the next round. I still don't trust the statins, though, for me.



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i was in that study where they mixed it with the avandia i was already taking..it took less that a week for it to shut down the kidneys and cause me no good amount of trouble for sure..and it wasn't the avandia as i had already been taking that for some time..the avandia waas doing other things and i barely survived thos e for sure
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I.M. : You pretty well summed it up! Oftentimes using pharmaceuticals is a matter of a controlled experiment to see what works . . . or not! Sheesh! Glad you had Benadryl when you took that Niaspan! I had such awful flushing! Quit using it (with the Drs. knowledge) after one dose.

It is uber important too to be aware, as mentioned, that often times it's not the active ingredients that cause the problems . . . it's the binders and fillers. I have awful times with generic versions of meds.

We just have to be wary of what works for us . . . or not!



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6/8/13 3:39 A

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They were capsules... no starch, but I don't react to foods that are high in niacin. On the other hand, I eat them and they don't seem to have any affect on my cholesterol and trigylceride levels at all... it appears that I can't get a dose that's concentrated enough to make that kind of difference if I'm just eating the foods--and I have to be careful about some of the minerals etc that often go along with the vitamin in its natural forms...

I guess the only way to know is for each of us to run our own little doctor-supervised "experiments", huh.... we're all so different.

It's nice though that we at least have enough in common to help each other, huh? emoticon emoticon

"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." thanks, Walter P. Chrysler. I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

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Glad you mention this as it may prevent someone else to be affected. It is also important to know that sometimes it is not the active ingredient that is the problem but a preservative or other added ingredient. For instance many pills contain corn starch which is a common allergen.
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6/8/13 1:45 A

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You're talking about Niaspan, the timed release B vitamin they use for cholesterol control, right?Ten minutes after my first dose, I was on the phone with my doctor-- If I didn't happen to have Benedryl in my medicine chest that day, I'd have had to call the paramedics and go to the emergency room!
As it turns out, apparently I am HIGHLY allergic to it: the quickest -- and the WORST hives I've ever had in my life! It was like something from a sci-fi movie, watching the swollen red blotches move up my arms and legs while I was on the phone with my doctor!... creepy!

Somebody ought to do something about that Murphy guy and his laws...
You know, every thing that CAN go wrong does...? LOL

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"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." thanks, Walter P. Chrysler. I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

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Can you take niacin? I think that is the B vitamin that the one doctor said also can be used to lower cholesterol. It makes you flush quite a bit, though.

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there is a genetic hyperlipidemia that runs in my family (think triglycerides times ten--thanks, Dad! LOL) My dad has been taking statins for decades and has survived FIVE heart attacks. My brother is on statins, and his triglycerides are STILL around 1200... that's pretty scary.

...so quite naturally, when my tri's were over 700, my endocrinologist tried statins--and I had the worst muscle spasms I had ever experienced in my life, up to and including a miscarriage!...
Doesn't seem to matter what form the drug takes, either...

so...

I'm pretty careful about what I eat, and I take something called Lovaza, which is a pharmaceutical grade fish oil derivative. It's all I my body can handle. It doesn't bring the numbers down as effectively as the statins can, but I average around 200 - 250 now, instead of up to 700... and I'm working on bringing that down too.

Let's just get moving, it helps! LOL

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"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." thanks, Walter P. Chrysler. I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

Life comes in specific increments, which we receive as a gift of one moment at a time. That's why it's called


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I think the main thing is that they have to really assess the situation. Where your family had the heart problems from cholesterol, you would be put on the statins along with your dietary changes. But so many just do something "because that is the way to do things" without regard to what is really necessary or without regard to how a person has had the worst side effects that the drug causes as I did (the swelling and weakness with that pointed to liver problems and that one doctor said it NEVER caused liver problems. I got off it before it caused permanent problems). I don't say to stay away from something if you need it, but if it causes more problems or you don't need it then don't take it. You might have to end up with a trial and error like I did to find out.

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I TAKE STATINS iwas diabetic long before i started..had i not taken them with my family history of early deaths from heart failure..i wouldn't be here today..i take a minimal dose and watch the diet and i have never had any side effects from the simvastatin after years but it sure does take away one more worry for sure..my hdl are always good and the ldl are always low along with the triglycerides but you gotta watch your diet
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last is just the slowest winner. c.hunter boyd

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Oh my gosh! That's horrible! Sorry you have to deal with that for sure!

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My doctor will tell me to go research things on the internet. She knows that I will not just take someone's word for things anymore.

Unfortunately, some of the pharmacists around here aren't too bright about things, either. I was told to take Sudafed for a cold when I was trying to find out what would help when I have High Blood Pressure. So I left with nothing. Now they have the Coricidin specifically for HBP, but I don't know if they did then. Usually I will just use some Eucalyptus oil to be able to breathe.

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I don't know if my Dr. did or didn't know about the connection between statins and diabetes, but I found out by asking my PHARMACIST. That's my go to person for questions re: medications. That and reading!



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I had only recently read about the link between statins and causing type 2 diabetes (and wasn't on them when I was diagnosed). It seems that most doctors will prescribe the statins if you have diabetes, though, whether your cholesterol is high or not. And a lot of them will tell you there are no side effects, like I was told when put on Crestor (It wasn't my doctor who told me that, it was her Attending when she was a Resident). I later read up on the Crestor and the bad side effects are a lot. I ended up with the really swollen and weak legs that they didn't say was a side effect at the time except on sites restricted to doctors. I was on it for 3 days when I started getting so weak. 3 weeks later my friend had to help me walk from place to place.

When my doctor was out one time and I had to see another one, he tried to insist on getting me on Simvistatin. He even tried to tell me it wasn't a statin. So why does it have statin in the name?

There are quite a few prescription meds that will lead to or cause diabetes. I have also read that some other chemicals are possible causes, like bleach. But people who don't have it (and even some who do) will insist it is strictly because you are overweight, even if the person who has it was never overweight (and I am not saying that I am not overweight or that it wasn't that that caused mine).

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Totally agree that type 2 is reversible with proper diet and exercise. It IS hard work, not EASY, but most things in life that are worthwhile achieving are hard. So, work on that diet and exercise so you can get off the statin!

I started out with an A1C of 13. My blood sugar was about 330. All my lipid profile was off the charts horrible! That's when I started on statins -- when I was diagnosed w/diabetes type 2 in 2010. Bottom line is . . . with proper diet and nutrition, I got off statins (I was prescribed Simvastatin) in March, 2011 and haven't looked back since!

Good read: THE SUGAR CURE by Dr. Mark Hyman

DO definitely see a diabetic educator if you haven't already. Get serious with that diet and exercise. We're here for you for sure!

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Thanks. Lots of good info on these message boards. Hard changing 49 yrs of eating habits. Slow going. I'm on again off again a lot. Got to get it licked.

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Yes, statins will cause type 2 diabetes. I recommend reading this book "The great cholesterol myth".
Type 2 diabetes is completely reversible through a low-carb diet. A great resource is the book "The Art and Science of Low-carbohydrate Living".
Take a look at this, too:
undergroundwellness.com/podcasts/sid
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effects-the-truth-about-cholesterol-R>lowering-drugs/


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I recently learned that statin drugs for lowering cholesterol can contribute to the onset of type 2. I have been taking one for a few yrs. In march 2012 I presented with type 2. My A1c was 6.6 which put me in the diabetic range. I am on metformin which helps control it. I am not being very successful with the diet and exercise yet. I am wondering if anyone has any info or advise on use of statins. I researched enough to know it is true but not enough yet to know if stopping helps. i think that since I am predisposed by family history and being overweight that I dont need any more points against me. I will be ticked if my doc knew this info and prescribed it anyway.

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