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we are rice eaters here so I manage



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I have to be VERY careful with rice, it's a very dense form of carbohydrate, and more than half a cup shoots my numbers through the roof... and it doesn't make a bit of difference if it's brown or white rice...emoticon

I do eat it, I make the rice ahead of time, and add it separately, after the veggies are done, so I can measure my portion properly. There's always leftovers, so I add it to beans for lunch, or throw a little into my soup pot, or make some kind of sauce with meat and veggies in the following days, to use it up. Even making a small pot of rice, I get tired of rice dishes very quickly! LOL

I do get tired of bread too, though... I eat it practically every day. Even making my own homemade low sodium version... I'm always looking for tasty alternatives. Lately, I prefer baked sweet potatoes (Wendy's has them! WOOHOO! LOL) roasted russet potatoes, or pasta, when I'm going to eat carbs.

I've even eaten spaghetti for breakfast a few times! LOL But I ALWAYS measure my portions. Sometimes I eat what I'm alloted and my blood sugar will crash anyway so I end up eating more-- but those are just the odd days here and there, we all have them I think... I work VERY hard not to let it become a habit to just eat that way. And usually I will find that if I look at my menu that day, I don't have enough total calories and needed to add something. They are the days I don't plan ahead. I'm big on planning, it's the easiest way to keep things under control no matter whether you're low carb or not! LOL

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"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

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eat very little bread mainly get them from veggies & rice



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I count ALL fiber carbs as just regular carbs. Even if I don't "digest" them per se, when I DON'T count them, they DO affect my blood sugar! LOL

Then again, my brother always calls me a "contrary critter"... 'cause I just HAVE to be the different and difficult one! LOL

My advice would be simply to track it, try counting 'em or not counting 'em, or counting only half, and see what suits your body best...

Kathyemoticonemoticonemoticon

"The real secret of success is enthusiasm..." Walter P. Chrysler said it, I believe it. That's what I want in my life--to give my imagination a chance, to live with energy and enthusiasm!

Ralph Waldo Emerson said 'Life belongs to the energetic.' But you don't have to be frenetic and hyper--some energy is quiet and steady, like a heartbeat... and that works too! LOL

Life comes in specific increments, which we receive as a gift of one moment at a time. That's why it's called t


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Tabitha,

One thing to consider: eating carbs make you hungry! They'll raise your blood sugar and when it begins to drop, the cravings will kick in, making you desire them even more.

That's why plans like Atkins have people do an "induction" period of a couple weeks, to break the carb addiction. It takes a week or so of seriously curbing your carb intake and then the desire to eat them drops dramatically.

As a diabetic, they just don't do you any good. There's no nutritional need for carbs like pasta, potatoes, rice, bread, etc. The only carbs I eat are the ones that come in veggies.



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I went back and set my carb goal for 0-100 per day. I know 100 is a bit high, but I'm going to start there and work my way down as soon as I can get comfortable with preparing meals with lower carbs.

My carbs were set for about 230 per day and I have been going over a little bit even at 230 per day so I'm nervous about lowering them to 100 but I'm going to practice and experiment.

I've cut out all sugars such as candy, cookies, cake, etc. I do have a hard candy (not sugar-free) once or twice a day, during other times I keep a water bottle filled with sugar-free lemonade (Crystal Light) in the fridge to help me fight those sweet cravings. I also drink diet-soda (not often), Red Diamond tea with Splenda, fruit juice (not often), and of course water. I've seen a difference just from cutting out those regular sodas.




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Valerie, I just checked my Food Tracker. I have 33 carbs, 13 g. fiber, and 19 net carbs for the day. So, it appears that it is subtracting all fiber from my carbs instead of 1/2 of the fiber. Hmmm..... I wonder why?


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I've heard 1/2 the fiber too, Valerie.


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I think it's interesting that many of you have been told to subtract all fiber from carbs.

My dietician has me subtract half of the fiber. But then again, I'm type 1 and I know many on the forum are type 2...



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Exactly, Valerie!
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Pat in Maine, click on "Tracker Options". Click on "Change Diet Settings". Click on "Add Another Nutrient To Track". Click on "Carbs for low carb diet. I put in 15 to 20 grams. You put in what you want your net carbs to be. It will remove the fiber carbs from the total carb count for you. Hope this helps.


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The high fat content of ultra low carb diets doesn't cause problems with cholesterol and other labs because of the absence of carbs.

If you were eating a high carb diet plus tons of fats, that's where the problems come in, however I still believe it's more due to the carbs than the fat.

I know a low carb diet is healthy because I've lived it for over 8 years. When I slipped up and added carbs back into my diet, I gained weight and hopped back on the roller coaster of hard-to-control-blood-sugar.

The reason Patti's doctor frowned about Atkins is that like he said, many people go off it, and then gain weight. I can tell you from personal experience that once you regain some weight, your body won't respond to low carb like it did the first time. Yes, you'll still lose, but not with that wonderful, quick "whoosh" that many first-time low carbers experience. Google "low carb golden shot" or "low carb golden opportunity" and you'll find lots of stories documenting how hard it is to get back on the low carb wagon.

An easy way to stay with it is to look at your labs, your blood sugar, your weight, and how satisfied you are appetite-wise, and how great you're looking and feeling as you're losing weight! Stick with it and you'll do great.

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Sorry this old lady is not very computer literate would you please explain this tracking a low carb option.
I have looked everywhere I use and love the diabetic tracker.
I printed off you entire first post so I can read it at my leisure. Thanks Pat in Maine.
I am off BP meds. Off Metformin a long time ago I was not on it very long. Last a1c was 5.5. My only problem is the the Triglycerides. Thanks for the friend send. Pat in Maine.emoticonemoticonINFO.emoticonemoticon

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N_STITCHES
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Deb, in your Food Tracker you can add a low-carb option and it will subtract the fiber for net carbs. That is then figured at the bottom of your Food Tracker page under "Weekly Progress".


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I use Sara Lee Delightful multi-grain bread for sandwiches. Only 45 calories each slice and a serving is 2 slices at 19 carbs minus 5 gm fiber for a total of just 14 gm carbs. Awesome! Also I use Mission Carb balance tortillas for wraps at a net 4 gm carb each. I was diagnosed 5 years ago and quickly learned where to ditch carbs without giving up good taste. emoticon
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Hi,
My diabetic nutritionist told me that if 1 portion of a food has at least 5 grams of fiber, I can subtract the number of fiber grams from the number of carb grams to give net carb grams. Unfortunately, when I enter this into my meal tracker, if doesn't do the subtraction, so, I just have to remember that my carb count is actually lower, a small inconvenience...still love tracking my food in SP. If you really love having sandwiches, look for a bread that is high in fiber, and subtract fiber grams from carb grams. Rather than bread, which I have always loved, diagnosed with type 2 just a few months ago, I usually use wraps...La Tortilla Factory has a few varieties of tortillas (wraps) that have a lot of fiber...I am able to find this brand in most grocery stores. I also love cereal, after reading labels, my new favorite is Kashi GoLean (not GoLean Crunch) it is loaded with fiber. A whole cup is just 100 calories and 13 grams of protein, and 30 minus 10 = 20 net grams of carbs...very filling and healthy...love it!! Just wanted to share what I have found, there are a lot of good choices out there. I thought I would be very limited, but it's really not so bad. My numbers were not too high, so I told the doc I do not want to start on meds...she agreed, and I will be tested again after 4 months, my goal is to never take meds. I can't wait to report good numbers in few months.
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NORAS_PAT--

Here's my lab #'s from March. Amazing! My #'s haven't looked like this ever.

Hemoglobin A1c - 6.1 -- Normal Range less than 5.6
Total Cholesterol - 134 -- Goal less than 200
Triglycerides - 136 -- Goal less than 150
HDL - 68 -- greater than 39
LDL - 39 -- Goal less than 130
Glucose 112 -- Normal Range for fasting 60 - 99 (That is higher than it should be. Dr. wants me less than 100)

My doctor asked me what diet I was following. I proudly said, Atkins. He frowned a little. I asked, why the frown. He said, Atkins works if you stay on it, but I see a lot of people who don't and really bad things happen to them when they go off it. It is a lifestyle change. I plan on staying on it because I'm feeling so good.

Please keep me posted on what your doctor says about low carb and your #'s. I'm very curious. Also, check out Steve Cooksey's Blog, www.diabetes-warrior.net . Steve's story is amazing.


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Thank you everyone! This is all great information! I am going to try cutting my bread down. Like if I have a turkey sandwich for lunch I'll have it on one piece of bread instead of two (and that will help keep me from needing to buy bread as often, lol). I will look into these books and talk to my doctor the next time I see him.




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N_STITCHES I have been stuck on a plateau for 18 months. My numbers are good. I am totally intrigued by your information but I have triglyceride issues. That is what makes mr back off trying this. I will check the library Monday for the books Thanks . I have blood work coming up I watch my carbs but I stay low in fats.
I can be very meticulous, I have plenty of will power so i will actually weigh in and give it 4 weeks. This will be my new challenge Thank you. Nothing ventured Nothing gained , Maybe that should read LOST??emoticonemoticonon your success.

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Great advice from Carol!

Only thing I'll add is that the nutrition tracker, working in conjunction with your finger stick glucose meter testing, will really give you great info on exactly what foods trigger a spike, or just a raise, that goes down in an hour. So, this gives you, and your Dr. great info. Print it out or send it to him/her. So test often, eat smart and drink water, exercise a bit everyday.

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Have you considered doing a low carb lifestyle since diabetes is a carbohydrate driven disease? I highly suggest you read the book "Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It" by Gary Taubes. It will really open your eyes. Valerie here recommended I read it in Jan. I did and now I'm reading "The Paleo Solution" by Robb Wolf. I'm doing Atkins Phase 1 and 2 which is very close to a Paleo diet. I've lost 25 lbs. since Feb. and my morning fasting blood sugar number has been running 89. Before Atkins it was in the 120's. I do not agree with the American Diabetic Association's recommendations for daily carbs for diabetics. To me, it is way too high.

You will find in these books and on the Atkins site, www.atkins.com , the proteins and fats are good. Just make them good fats like olive oil, unrefined coconut oil, heavy whipping cream, salted butter, bacon grease, a few nuts, and avocado. A low carb diet is NOT a high protein diet. It is a high fat diet. Fat burns fat. Our bodies burn glucose for fuel first. As diabetics, we have higher blood sugar (glucose) already so our bodies never get around to burning our fat. If you limit your carbs and eat more fat, you will burn fat instead of glucose. The other great thing about low carb is it acts as an appetite suppressent. Believe it or not, I have to force myself to get in 1200 calories a day some days. In the past with a high carb diet, I could easily get in 2000 calories a day or more.

The percentages you want in Atkins Phase 1 are 10% carbs, 65 -70% fats, and 20 - 25% protein. You'll find your percentages on your Food Tracker. Scroll down to the bottom and click on the button "See today's full reports". The protein is the same whether you're doing low carb or the standard american diet (SAD). Funny how people say, "Oh, you're doing low carb, that's high protein." I always say, "No, it's not, it's high fat." Love the look on their faces, but they can't argue with my success. :)

Here's my typical day:

Breakfast - coffee w/2 tsp. heavy whipping cream and NuStevia (I like it best, not bitter), 1 or 2 egg omelet w/diced green pepper, onion, mushroom, a little full fat cheddar and a piece of bacon OR a sausage link diced in. Make the omelet in the bacon grease.

Lunch - egg salad made with mayo and mustard, celery and other veggie sticks OR green salad w/full fat Ranch dressing or other dressing with less than 2 g. sugar per serving, a 3 oz. can of tuna on top, water OR iced tea w/NuStevia

Afternoon Snack - double shot espresso w/3 Tblsp. heavy whipping cream and NuStevia, w/a few almonds and .25 serving of 85% dark chocolate OR one Paleo Chocolate Chip Cookie at www.sterlingstyle.net . Just do a search there for the Paleo Chocolate Chip Cookie. Only one a day.

Dinner - 4 oz. of a grilled or baked protein, 1 c. broccoli OR green beans with butter, OR green salad w/full fat dressing, s/f Jello cherry gelatin cup w/Reddi-Wip, water OR iced tea w/NuStevia

Love this diet. Calories come to around 1200 calories and 30 g./20 g. net carbs a day.

I should add, 7 weeks after starting Atkins my doctor rechecked my labs. My numbers for cholesterol and blood sugar were "phenomenal", his words. I'm sticking with this low carb/Paleo/Primal lifestyle forever.

Blogs to check out:
www.atkins.com
www.diabetes-warrior.net - A diabetic who is thriving not just surviving.
www.everydaypaelo.com - Great recipes and the best mayo recipe.
www.marksdailyapple.com - The Paleo Chocolate Chip Cookies actually came from here, but posted on Sterling Style also.
www.theclothesmakethegirl.com
www.civilizedcavemancooking.com
www.sterlingstyle.net - Love her Paleo Chocolate Chip Cookies, just eat one.

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emoticon Yes! Those darn carbs. If you doctor hasn't already, ask her/im to send you to diabetes education class which should include a visit with a diabetic nutritionist. The classes teach you about diabetes, how to care for yourself and how to plan your meals.

Diabetes is a carbohydrate driven disease. I would suggest that you read labels before eating - most important is the serving size, then look to the number of carbohydrates followed by the amount of fiber. Many whole grain breads are really not much better than white bread. At times the carbohydrates are higher.

Another tip is to avoid whole grains and starchy veggies together as this will raise your carbohydrate levels and could spike your blood sugar. One other tip - drink the water. 8 glasses daily. Water helps lower your blood sugar.

When you begin testing you will understand how different carbohydrates effect your body. We are all different. We all continue to learn about our disease even after many years of being afflicted.

Great to have you as part of the team. Ask any questions. We are all here for each other.

Carol

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Ever since I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes a week and two days ago I have changed my diet incredibly. I've used every single tool I have been given to manage what I eat and when I eat. The problem I seem to keep having when I run my nutrition report is my carbs being higher than everything else.

I've gotten much better on getting protein and keeping my fats down but I am having a huge problem keeping the carbs down. My carbs come from whole wheat breads so I feel like switching from white bread to wheat bread has been good for me but any advice on how to keep those carbs down during my meals?




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