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2/6/14 7:36 P

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Thanks, Julee

Since posting I've read more about Jun and yes, it's strange that it's shrouded by secrecy! I could probably get one here in the UK if I searched hard enough, but at the moment, KT and MK are enough for moi!

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2/3/14 1:31 P

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I brew both Jun and KT! Jun is a similar culture to KT, but uses green tea and honey rather than black tea and sugar. I enjoy both, but LOVE Jun! It tastes a little like mead, tolerates a cooler fermenting temp and can develop a slightly higher alcohol level than KT. My daughter and I both FEEL it immediately after consumption - it's like a little bolt of energy immediately running through the body.

I use local raw, organic honey (dissolved into the green tea before it's cooled much) and the culture is vibrant - it's firm, no pits or soft spots. Where K SCOBY's are usually beige, the J SCOBY is almost pure white. It's not easy to get hold of jun cultures. I searched high and low for some time - the woman I got mine from finally shared with me after I pestered the daylights out of her. One of the conditions of her giving it to me was that I tell no one where I got it. She also made it quite clear that if I messed up my SCOBY she wouldn't be helping me out again - not at any cost. (Crotchety old lady! LOL) I figured at first that it was because she is a shopowner, but with the lack of information on Jun, I wonder if it's just part of the mystery/secrecy that seems to surround it.

I don't know that Jun has a significantly different probiotic or nutrient profile from KT, but it does have a very different taste and again, I have a very different reaction to them both.

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3/9/13 6:14 P

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I had read about Jun, too, but yeah, it sounds like the poor relation to KT. I also read that Honey has natural antibiotic properties that would damage the SCOBY balance- well, natural, raw honey, rather than the pasteurised stuff they mostly sell as 'product of many countries', which isn't that much like the honey it once was, so probably wouldn't doo too much harm....

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3/9/13 9:31 A

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Alrighty then... I am STILL on the 'hunt' for the JUN's ***roots*** and *here* is the best answer I have at the present, written to me by a pretty AMAZING person with an equally AMAZING site.

"Annie,

Not real familiar with the JUN strain but I believe this is just a marketing scheme which has its roots with someone who decided to brew exclusively with honey and green tea. I vaguely recall visiting their site a year or so ago but it was a random surf so I have no information to share.

I am not a fan of using honey, regardless of the type, to ferment with. Sure honey is better for us than sugar by itself but it has no advantage in feeding the culture and has significant disadvantages as far as maintaining a consistent balanced culture.

It's doubtful that anyone who brews with honey has actually experienced really good Kombucha. Trust me I tried for a year before
drawing these conclusions.

Any claim that the culture is different is based on natural selection over time from using honey. The claim that it is higher in bacteria is hard to believe since honey tends to encourage yeast growth which would compete with the bacteria.

But its easy enough to tell if you can get a sample culture. If the culture is dense, hard and pure in color then it has a high bacteria count. If you get one please report back and let me know what you find.

~ Len"

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3/8/13 9:44 A

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Oh, okay. I did see a site on eBay... but I'll have to *see* if they ship to England.

Update: Well... here's what she wrote:
"I have never heard of Jun but just did a quick search for it. The scobies I have are not Jun scobies. Mine are grown on organic sugar and a mixture of black & green organic tea. I have heard that some people substitute honey for the sugar but I have also heard that the anti bacterial properties of honey kill off some of the good bacteria in the Kombucha tea. I've never tried the honey."

Sooo... EXACTLY WHAT is a scoby of JUN?!!


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I too came across that excellent ?blog/site but they are not here in England. Boulder CO. seems to be a centre for JUN but that is probably because there is a supply there. Some seem to think if you feed a KT scoby green tea and honey it will turn into JUN while others say it is a completely different, although related culture.

Interesting to know if any of our -hooray now 102 - members know more.


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Well, I found this link:
www.twoleavestea.com/blog/2011/08/08
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ealthy-jun-tea/

and___________ this one:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTs6bJ-O-1Q
though I'm not liking the *sugar* in the recipe... or the BLACK TEA vs GREEN... but... there's more YouTubes on the sidebar so you should be able to find a recipe using honey.

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I have been exploring the link for Kombucha Nation; Cultures Health and Healing which was put up and they are talking about something called JUN. This sounds interesting but there is no link to any person or place in the UK where one can get a scobie. Do any of this team know if it has come over here yet? There is a lot of internet noise about it with some saying it is just a form of kombucha fed on green tea and honey and others saying it is a totally different culture, more bacteria and less yeast.

Any help to find out more very welcome

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