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1/24/14 5:57 A

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Sorry wrong step 2 Departement. emoticon
Moved this to the Wright on and explained the program.

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(. ; ( ;.♥~Welcome Mom~♥ come to the first sticky topic and post with us. I'm not familiar with your WW plan but very familiar to a weight loss journey.

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I am starting on the old Freedom Plan today. Is anyone else doing this. I did the Fat and Fiber one and lost my weight. I have been struggling, and thought I would go back to FP.
I am a newbie here, but not to WW. I also belong to TOPS.


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8/17/11 10:56 A

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"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" needs to be WW motto! Just saying that after 1 week using my dear old friend WW Winning Points plan modified with the Wendie Plan, I'm down 2.5 lbs for the week!!! That sure beats the 2.8 lbs loss over the last YEAR to the day with WW & WWP+ plans! Not throwing a big celebration party just yet - that comes after a couple of weeks and a few more lbs! emoticon

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8/17/11 1:44 A

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Well I think my new revised PointsPlus Plan is working. I had a 3.2 lb loss tonight at WI. I will keep everyone posted on my continued success.

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8/15/11 4:05 P

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Hi Sundoll44 - sounds like a great plan - there are quite a few having problems w/PP+ - I am anxious to hear how your "tweaking" works. emoticon

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8/12/11 12:13 P

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I started WW Sept 1, 09 and lost 75 lbs using the SFT. But I have been struggling with my weight since Feb and have gain back about 20 lbs. I had been doing SFT and eating mostly Power Foods so I went back to PointsPlus to try and get control of my eating and portion control. I stayed on P+ for 5 weeks eating my 29 DP, 49 WP & APs I earned, I swim 30 min everyday. Weighed and measured every bite. My daily average calorie in take was 1950 and I gained .8 lbs in the 5 weeks. So I went back to my journal for June 2010 and figured out the average calories and P+ for the food I ate then. The average was 27 P+ a day, with no WP or AP used and an average of 1350 Calories per day. So now for the next 5 weeks I am going to use the daily average of 27 P+ and not use any of my WP or AP. I will keep you posted on how my tweak works for me. Sorta like one of the old plans where you had a points range.



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8/9/11 9:11 A

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Good Luck Irene! I hope your new plan works.

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8/7/11 9:22 A

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I followed the PP+ for several months and did not lose wgt - most of the time I could not even reach my 29 PP+ and still did not lose.

After reading many of the posts here w/results using less than the allotted PP+ I am going to give it another try - I will have to make other changes - make sure I eat at reasonable times - like not having dinner at 8pm - it's a whole change of scheduling for me. In addition cutting down on the carbs (pasta, rice, etc. especially at dinner).

Getting back to exercising at least 4-5 times per week.

Well here goes - I am determined to get the scale go "south"...

Have an awesome day...

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6/30/11 10:54 P

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I'm just following the pp plan as is. I've lost 27 Ibs since January. I do make sure to count everything. And to make sure to count like items together. Cookies that would be 3 pp each counted separately, might be 7 together. I prefer to overcount. It's pretty easy to follow. Sometimes on the weekend, I don't even bother counting if I know I haven't really indulged during the week. Prob not recommended, but works for me. My week restarts on Monday so I make sure to get back on track then.

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6/25/11 3:56 A

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Moving this to other thread, sorry

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5/29/11 7:21 A

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I've been on PP since February, and I have lost 8 pounds. I have long suspected that 29 points is too many for me. This morning I looked at the progress tracker thing on ww and saw very clearly that the weeks where I mostly eat that many, I don't lose at all. When I stay around 24-26, I lose more. Although I am losing, I'm losing very slowly -- .2 pounds the past two weeks. Also adding to my challenge is my age -- I'm 61.

So, I think I'm going to try a modification of Jill's plan: stay at 26 dailies, no weeklies. Count fruits and vegetables (if I can figure out how to do that). Pay more attention to carbs, as well. Thanks for your help.

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5/25/11 11:13 P

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Someone refresh my memory...what was the difference between Flex and Momentum?

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4/29/11 1:48 P

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well, after 2 weeks of not even trying I have regained several pounds. I was frustrated with PP and stopped trying. Big mistake and I knew it, I just haven't cared. Well I am nipping this in the bud now!

I am tweaking PP to see what works for me. I am sure I should be using around 34 PP right now but I am dropping it to 31 to see what happens. I will be leaving what I have left of my weeklies alone, or trying to and see what happens. This week won't really tell but I am hoping to get on track this week and see some results next week.

I like WW and it keeps me on track, I just have to do it!

Good luck to all!

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4/24/11 11:00 A

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here is what is working for me :) I just started PP 3 weeks ago..my first week i followed the program to a T, and gained a pound, that started making me wonder about the points, if it was just too much food for me to eat per week and gain instead of lose. I am 4"11" and 146lbs when i started. after my very discouraging weigh in, i started doing a lot of online research, and realized quickly i will have to tweak this to make it work for me. so here is what i did:
I cut my points down from 29/daily to 26 daily. no extra weeklies, and i dont use the extra workout points,.if i am having a day where i am still hungry and need extra, i will let myself go to the full 29 pts, but only twice a week.

I stopped eating all the pre made ww frozen meals..i found they for the most part are packed with carbs, and i just cant handle all the extra carbs..so am preparing all my meals at home, and measuring everything, and though i am still eating carbs, and paying attention to how many are in each thing i eat..and also looked up the correct amount of carbs i should be having.

I am counting points for everything i eat..all veggies and fruits if they have a point value.

I am doing my workouts 3-4 days a week and increasing to 5 days hopefully this week.

after making these adjustments this week, i have lost 7 lbs. and can already see a difference :) and went from completely discouraged about ww after my first weigh in, to very motivated and encouraged after my weigh in that definately shows the tweaking is working :)

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Hey all I am really struggling with the new plan. I get 37dp and I think I am meeting them in the right way but I gaining instead of losing. Although last week I dropped .2 but I had a gain of 5.4 the week before that. I just do not get it anymore. I was losing on the old plan and now I am just yoyoing anyone else having this struggle with the new plan. Anyone get this many points and how many calories should I be eating.

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3/30/11 11:43 P

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I have begun listing 4 points as used right off the top and trying not to go over 29. We'll see how that goes. I think it will help. I lost 8 in 2.5 weeks before the point change. Then it took 3 months to lose another 8. Christmas didn't help. I did however lose size even when weight was same. It could be that exercise converts fat to muscles which weighs 7x fat .

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3/30/11 8:30 P

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I'm a bit in limbo here. I really like that we've got a group of like-minded "losers" here, but I'm having trouble getting back to Momentum -- the one that works! You see, I was a major on-line gal. Never really used the books and paper trackers and now that WW has taken away my tool, I'm a little lost. I have my old original little pocket guide, but it's very limited. Thinking of finding a way to figure how many calories my old Momentum Points averaged and just using the Sparks plan.

After all I thought I'd learned, it's rather disappointing to go back to plain old counting calories. But that's the bottom line, isn't it? Burn more calories than you consume?

One good thing: I found a 2009 WW Complete Food Companion (used) on Amazon. Hopefully, that will give me some guidance.

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3/11/11 10:32 P

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I started back with WW on December 4, 2010, drawn back mainly because I'd been hearing about PointsPlus and lurking over at the WW message boards prior to the rollout. By sheer coincidence, at the time, I was going through a kind of family crisis and had lost my appetite. I tend to be an emotional eater ~ really big stuff makes me not hungry, but the little everyday stresses and aggravations are what undermine me. Anyway, I was given a colossal number of points for my DPT and did not come close to eating them all. I had some pretty decent losses ~ not as much as when I had followed by Momentum, but I chalked it up to being older. Having had it drummed into my head that I had to eat all of my points, I started making an effort to do just that and...guess what? Right. My weight loss went from, "Okay, I'll take that" to "Huh? Really? I followed the plan perfectly and maintained?" So I figured out pretty early on that I simply couldn't eat this colossal number of points they had given me, and that I could forget about the 49 weekly points and AP's, too.

I double-tracked here on SP and proved to myself with simple mathematics that I was not crazy. I just had too many points to permit me to lose. What I'm doing is trying to eat, on the average, 3-5 points below my DPT. I do not eat any AP's. I tell myself that I should exercise because it's the healthy thing to do and not so that I can eat more. I use WP's only in cases of emergency or when there is a special occasion or when I might be eating out or at someone else's house and don't really know how a dish is prepared. WP's are my cushion, but I am very sparing with them because experience has taught me that the more I use, the less I lose.

So far, what I'm doing is working for me. I've lost 25.2 lbs since 12/4/10. Occasionally, I still double-track to make sure I'm keeping within the range of calories SP recommends for me to continue losing. At this point, I would abandon WW altogether if it weren't for the fact that I really do need the personal accountability of weighing in at my meetings and because every time I quit going to meetings before, it was the beginning of a slippery slope for me that led me to regain. But besides that, I love SP, I've made some great friends here and hope to make more, and I've found this whole website to be so much more encouraging and positive. (And it's free.)

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After a few days of tracking both here and on WW I figure that 25 PP would be right for me. I lost 7 pounds my first 4 weeks on PP but then up and down the same 3 pounds for 3 weeks straight. I followed it to the letter, barely used any weeklies at all and only averaged 2 pieces of fruit a day. I do online only and once my initial 3 months is up I'm just going to track here.

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Congrats! that is great. I am stilling looking for what will work for me. So this week I will try 21/daily and 21/wk (for a 24/day average), two servings of zero fruit/day and between 2000 - 2500 calories burned through purposeful exercise. This is still slightly more food than I ate on Momentum but not much.
I will follow your lead and try for two weeks before the next experiment.
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2/19/11 3:54 P

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that's so incredible! congrats!!!!! you've found what works for you, and that's great. wow and you're so close to your goal, that's so exciting. three cheers for you :c)

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2/19/11 8:45 A

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Finally, some success!! I wanted to share how I've been adjusting the P+ plan, in case it helps anyone else out there. For 2 weeks I've plugged my WW tracker with 9 points a day, thereby allowing myself a daily target of 20. I also allow myself to eat the 49 weeklies and the APs I earn. After one week following this plan, I had no change in weight. However, after the second week I dropped 2.5 lbs! I'm very happy with this result - it averages just over 1lb per week and it was not too difficult for me to follow. The weeklies and APs still allowed for some flexibility during the week. I tracked calories on SP too, and averaged 1340 calories per day. I exercise about 45 minutes per day, 5 days per week. Roughly I burn about 2000 calories per week. I'm so pleased to finally be seeing some downward movement on the scale after experiencing weeks of gains on P+ before altering it! This will be my last week paying for WW. I think I can manage this on my own now that I've found a calorie range that works. Only 4.5 more lbs to go in order to hit my goal! I leave for a ski vacation tomorrow so I'm hoping I can stay in control and not undo all my hard work!

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2/17/11 7:48 P

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CJEGGER - I agree! I've almost completely stopped tracking WW. I do here and there on my phone, but mainly focus on the Spark Tracker. It's just easier - and I love the end of day reports that show me what I may need to work on - like protein, calcium, etc. It helps me see where I need to focus on in my diet - instead of just focusing on numbers, I'm focusing on nutrition. Plus, I think it's kind of re-engergized me to keep it up because what I am learning on Spark is so interesting! :-) I continue to be amazed! It's definitely a lifelong journey, that's for sure! Always something new to learn! :-)

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2/17/11 10:11 A

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I was trying to tweak my points and track here on SP, but I'm finding that is just too much work, and I could get obsessive about it. Also, from trying to get in all the fruit and veggies that WW wants us to eat, on top of a couple of stressful things the last couple of weeks, my IBS has been in full flare up mode! So right now I'm pretty much eating carbs.....brown rice, whole grain bread, bananas, yogurt, with a little cheese, in order to abate the IBS symptoms. It sucks! But I'll track the calories and stay between 1200-1350.

If we could choose between the old(er) plans and PP and have the ability to track that online, I'd probably stick with some form of WW. But tracking the old plan on paper, looking calories up then converting to points, it just way too time consuming. UGH!

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Here's some results of an involuntary weird experiment. I had my first colonoscopy today, so yesterday was the prep day (and what a happy way to spend Valentine's Day that was!) I was obsessive enough to keep track of all the clear drinks that I consumed (ginger ale, powerade, lemonade, etc) and entered both into my WW calculator and Spark tracker. On Spark, it came out to 1100 calories. Of course it was 95% carbohydrates, a drop of protein and no fiber or fat. Guess how many points that turned into? 30 POINTS. 30 POINTS! I'm so totally removing it from my tracker because I''m keeping to 25 points these days and there's no way I'm taking a 5 point hit on my weeklies, when I only took in 1100 calories for the day.

I realized that it was a weird circumstance but it just shows that WWPP isn't as science-y as they say. I mean, 1100 calories is starvation level, trust me, not dipping into my weekly points!

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I am staying with the Momentum program. I restarted the day we started this SparkTeamPage.
I am doing well -at least 6 pounds gone. I am also trying to eat clean and choose fruit over another type of snack.

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2/13/11 8:48 A

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Baltimom, I totally agree with you. This plan should need no "tweaking" from me. However to give me 29 pts from 19 pts and expect me to lose was crazy. I ate mostly power foods to begin with so I was finding that I was eating way more than I did before and just maintaining.

I always wanted to make goal, that was always something I wanted to achieve. WW set me at 150 (top of the chart for me) as that number. My doctor actually told me I was fine where I was at 165 but gave me a letter that 160 would be a good weight for me at my age. But then I found out goal really wasn't all it was cut out to be. So I would get to go to free meetings (personally I hate meetings) if I weighed in once a month within 2 lbs of my goal. I thought also I would have access to the tracker on line which I absolutely love and always used because I hate writing in a tracker. But then I found out I had to pay for it...so now I could care less if I reach WW's magic number for me.

I am happy with my progress and I think perhaps my weight journey to the little I need to lose now will continue on here with my tracking calories and the heck with WW. They got enough of my money.



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2/13/11 7:38 A

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Why should the members of WW be tweaking the plan? Isn't that what we pay for? A plan that works? I'm getting more frustrated just thinking about it. I'm sure WW thinks that everyone will go along because of their reputation in the weight loss industry, but the reality is that if you eat more calories, you will gain. Maybe since I was eating "Power Foods" I didn't gain as much as quickly as I would have if those extra calories had been Haagen Daas and cake, but let's get real here: on Momentum I could eat 19 points on maintenance. When I started P+ the online tracker told me I could have 32! Plus the 49 weeklies! After a week of that (and not being able to possibly eat that much) I changed to "losing" and still had a hard time using up everything, but I know I was eating way more than before. And gaining.

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2/13/11 12:51 A

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I went back to Momentum. I get 20 DP's, 35 weeklies and AP,s. When I started Pounds Plus I was at 19 DP's...makes me mad. Anyway, I have noticed a lot of you are saying that you have tweaked or modified your plan for a week and getting frustrated if your not seeing results. With all of this back and fort, more points, less points etc., it going to take your body a lot longer than one week to find your sweet spot. Be patient with yourself and think of it as a chance to really get to know your body.

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South Beach is great and I basically still eat that way while doing WW. I am very sensitive to carbs and it works for me. I just need a little more flexibility and I like the WW meetings and weigh-ins to keep me on track. The last few meeting topics have been very useful.
Michele

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Hey guys. My DR and brother (soon to be doctor - 4th year med student) both suggested South Beach. It's a natural, healthy way to eat and say they suggest it whenever a patient needs to lose weight. My DR used to suggest WW, but told me she won't after the new plan was rolled out... interesting. Anyway, I ordered the book and I'm starting it on Sunday. I'll do that along with counting calories to stay between 1200-1300 to knock off these last stubborn 20 pounds!

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Hello all, I haven't posted since my introduction but I went to weigh in last night and lost 2.3 lbs! Last week I lost 1.6. This is after being at about 150 since Nov 26th and gaining and losing the same fractions of a lb on PP. I am still doing PP but I've made some changes to what I eat. I've been having breakfast within an hour of waking and making it mainly protein. I limit simple carbs to one meal a day and restrict my sodium intake as much as possible. I also drink at least 6 glasses of cold water every day. I don't worry about eating the 29 points. If I've eaten the GHG's and I'm not hungry I don't eat anymore. I know a lot of us hate the "GHG's" because it's used a lot by the zealots on the WW board but I find they help me eat better. By following those guidelines I usually eat about 25 points a day. I might add that in these two weeks I did not excercise. I just wanted to see what I could do with what I was eating. This has been a pretty easy adjustment and it seems to be working for me so far. I think based on my experience that the 29 points will work for me when I get to maintenance. There's no way I'll be able to go above that and not gain. I hope this helps someone.
Michele

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emoticon Ugh!! I'm really disappointed and frustrated. I followed my revised P+ plan for one full week, and I really felt good about it. My weigh-in was this morning, and the results were not gratifying. My weight did not change at all. No gain, no loss. I worked so hard with my very controlled eating and diligent exercise, and to have no payoff is really upsetting. The revised P+ plan I followed was 20 P+ allotment per day, plus the 49 "flex" weeklies, plus any APs I earned. The weeklies and APs allow me the flexibility I need to manage my food "budget" throughout the week. I also tracked on Sparkpeople to get a feel for calories. It turns out I was eating about 1400 cals per day. I honestly think I should be losing weight at that level, especially given how much I exercise. I don't think I can realistically eat much less than this and still be a happy person! On the bright side, at least I did not gain like when I followed P+ as written! OK, so I'm going to persevere and try this for one more week. I always think my body needs 2 weeks to react to a change diet/exercise. I'm not quite ready to give up on reaching my goal weight.....it is only 6 lbs away but it seems like the impossible dream!! Thanks for listening.

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Hi! I haven't posted yet or introduced myself. I am watching to see what is working for you and adjusting to fit my needs. I have to follow a high fiber diet so really am more set on watching what foods have more fiber in them. I enjoy seeing your menus, that is actually helping me. I did WW many years ago and could not lose much on it. Then I switched to southbeach, and actually did lose the weight. Kept it off for a couple years, then got lazy with my eating and now I am back to needing to lose again. I exercise with weights and the treadmill and am not too sure how many calories I should consume based on that. I would follow I believe it was 25 points at the time. I didn't have a lot to lose, but wanted to lose 10 pounds at that time. Now, I would love to lose 15! So, please keep up this thread. I won't post much since I'm not really following the WW plan.

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Checking in here as I'm anxious to see what is working for others. I have been online only since Feb 2005 so I have no materials to use to go back to Momentum. I need to make the available tools work for me with whatever my "tweak" end up at. So far this week, I am tracking using PP and keeping track in notes of what the old points would have been (from memory - athough I'm sticking with things I know). It doesn't look like it's going to be a rocket science type of discovery. My WI and new week started on Friday, I typically use most of my WPA over the weekend. So far on the old plan I have 2 WPA left, on the new plan I have 26. I think I will need to have 4 less DPA and 10 less WPA - but I'll keep you posted on how this week works out.

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I threw out all my old materials and I was using a smartphone device that has now converted over so I'm going to work with PP to make it work for me. At the moment, I'm double-tracking (PP on my 'droid, and calories, etc. on Spark) but that will get old very fast. I'm going to use it to figure out my "tweaks".

I'm thinking of knocking my points back to 25, counting fruit, and cutting back on my WPA to maybe 30? (not that I ever used all of it but it was always there psychologically). I'm going to try this for the next week and see how it goes. (I wasn't gaining on PP so it doesn't feel as dire to me as it does to others. I just wasn't losing, in like 2 months.)

I'll keep you posted! I hope others will too so we can see what's working for everyone.

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wow laurie. sounds like winning points was the way to go for you! what awesome success! i don't know anything about that plan, what are some of the basics?

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I went back to Momentum about two weeks ago. Just seems a better fit for me I was on PP for eight weeks, still trying to "tweak" it to work for me like Momentum did. I figured why keep messing with it when Momentum works without having to mess with it?

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Flex? If so I have all the materials sitting right in front of me...

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I am "tweaking" the PPlus program to work for me. To be honest Momentum didn't. I lost my original 21 lbs on the program before it and I cannot remember the name of it....LOL

I am counting calories and keeping my calorie count between 1,200 and 1,500 a day, most days hitting around 1,400. I have been able to lose 1 lb since I have done that. The week before I didn't count calories but I cut down my pts to around 26 and lost 1 lb.

I had been on online for the past year and a half but signed up for meetings for the past two months when the new plan rolled out. Found out that the meetings as in the past were of no use to me. The leader is really nice, HOWEVER, she has the same following for years and concentrates more at the end to those just joining so I never got more than 60 seconds to discuss anything and everything was LET ME SEE YOUR JOURNAL...LOL I get enough of that on the WW board. To be honest she looked heavier to me than when I last went to meetings so if the plan is supposed to work, it surely wasn't working for her.

Also the same people in the meeting looked exactly the same as when I last went there. I don't get it. Some of them should have at least made goal by now.

So I signed back on line, but honestly if I continue losing and making my personal goal, I am cancelling my online subscription and staying here.



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I am planning to go back to Winning Points, my original program. I lost 23 pounds in 11 weeks on that plan when I first joined (and made goal). If anyone is interested, I have a 81/2 x11 paper journal page I created back then . I found the file and converted it to a PDF. Send me a private message with your email if you want me to send it to you. I am so glad I saved everything. I also have a digital file of the old points slider that you print onto several pieces of card stock or heavy paper.

I wish everyone sucess!

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I'm going to use Points Plus with less points than the 29 that they suggest and I'm going to leave the weekly's out and count my fruit and make sure I get at least 8 glasses of water in each day. I'm hoping that will help.

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My dr highly recommends south beach - said everyone should eat like that. Well fine and dandy but being a strength athlete who is interested in piling on muscle, the macros don't work for me. WW really doesn't either, but I tweak it so that I am getting more protein than average (including a couple whey protein drinks a day). I traded in some carbs for the protein, basically. I came back to WW after trying to get my body out of a metabolic ditch. I am a chronic undereater (I know, for shame lol) so for a few weeks I had to reteach my body to assimilate carbohydrate again (low carber here) and eat way more than I usually do - equalling all my dailies, weeklies and AP's or in other words well over 2000 calories a day. I gained but not as much as I thought I would, most of it was water I think.

Anyway I cut out the ap's and almost all of the weeklies, so that puts me at around 1450 calories a day (I cross track on bodymedia site as I wear the device).

I am STILL having a hard time. I even increased cardio. Ugh. Anyway, so I am now figuring out little ways to cut here and there, and by doing so, starting today, am down to about 1330 calories or so. Not enough to really make a difference. I have also had a bp med change out that *could* factor into all of this, since it was an older beta blocker known to slow metabolic rate!

wish me luck and sorry so wordy!! emoticon

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I'm following P+. I followed the old points plan before. I've noticed momentum is mentioned a lot. What is momentum? I've followed WW unofficially since 2006 and only recently joined online in November when the new plan came out. I won't renew my membership since I feel like I'm under control again, but will continue to participate in these boards. I still need that support from those that are feeling the same thing am I. My husband is very supportive and does WW with me, but he doesn't struggle the same way.

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Great news about your weight loss Jayhawktxn11. I am considering doing a South Beach style eating plan for a few weeks if I'm unable to make progress after this week of tweaking P+. I have a really hard time with low carb eating, so it might be a challenge. I will probably follow the "phase 2" instead of the stricter phase 1.

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Congrats on your weight loss Jayhawktxn11, doesn't it feel wonderful to know that you are in control now of your own weight loss.

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Well, I lost 2.8 pounds this week after only losing 2.8 for 3 weeks strictly on PP for a total of 6 pounds in 4 weeks. ! 10 more to go. I'm very excited,but had to tweak the PP program. I started logging my diet on SPeople and on WW. I ate around 29 points up to the 5th day, but after logging on this site I decided to not eat bread items except maybe in the morning on day 6 and 7. Not only was I fuller, but I had eater 400 calories less for both days. The carb intake was around 40grms compared to my pp of about 100! I practiced this type of diet (South Beach) and lost a lot of weight before, but won't do this diet full-time because I want a more balanced diet. So, now I think I'll follow 29 points then a couple of days before weight in I'll low-carb it. Olh, the last 2 days no fruit or sugar and I slice low fat bread.

Also, I jogged/walked 3x and a barbell class once.

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I've knocked my DPA down to 24 (I used to eat 18 on Momentum to lose), and am using only about 10-20 WPAs or APs. I am doing 0pt fruit with this. I've finally begun to lose--slowly. (Although I always lost slowly).

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I am going to start counting fruit since I eat fruit everyday and I am going to start by leaving one or two points each day. I am also tracking everything I eat on both WW and SP so that I can compare calories and points. So far I keep falling right below my lowest calorie goal on SP so I will weigh next week and see if counting fruit helps. So frustrating that it has to be tweaked.

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I remember the old plan and when I dropped down to 18 points/day it got impossible. Maybe that's why I'm back at it again. Momentum was working for me and my college age daughter. Since starting PP neither of us are losing. she is waiting to see if my adjustments work this week and then she will decide whether to do the same or just go back to the old plan.

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CMEAGHAN, thanks for the article link. I had to break out my calculator for that one! But it was very helpful.

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I spent some time today calculating what my calorie intake should be in order to lose 1lb/week. Then I translated that into PP values, assuming there are about 45 calories in 1 P+. (This is what my average seems to be when I use Sparkpeople to track calories and compare to my WW points+). Unfortunately I don't think I can lose on 29 daily PP! We'll see when I weigh-in on Friday, but now I'm not hopeful that I'll see any loss. Hopefully I didn't gain! Next week I'm going to try 20 daily points, with 49 weeklies, and allow myself to eat the AP's I earn. I really feel like I need that flexibility of weekly "flex" points and also activity points. I'm not sure I could really ever stop at 20 points a day, but that's my goal. I plan to plug the WW points tracker with 9 pts per day, so that I can still use the online tools at WW (since they are paid for already). I'll keep posting back here with my updates on progress in case my method can help anyone else on these boards. Thanks for sharing ideas and advice.
P.S. This article was helpful to calculate daily calorie needs: http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/calori
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CMEAGHAN - if you can lose on 29 daily PP, do it! The higher DPV is what I found most attractive about PP - 18 Points on Momentum was not enough for me to maintain long term, which is why I was always on and off Weight Watchers. I wish I could eat 29 PP and lose, but I just don't think I can.

I am sticking with Points Plus for now, but I aim to eat between 20-25 PP per day. Do any of you remember the original Winning Points plan where we had 18-25 Points per day? That was my favorite plan, so I'm kind-of resurrecting it! I will eat my 29 Points on occasion, but rarely. I do not use APs and I save all my weeklies for Sundays. Oh, and I do not count fruit, but I don't eat much anyway - maybe four or five pieces of fruit a week? I prefer veggies!


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I have done a similar thing and this week started with 25 DP and 35 WP. I am also counting fruit points. I only eat 2 fruit a day anyhow and complete that GHG with veggies. I willl let you all know after weigh in if it worked.

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CMEAGHAN - Welcome to the team!!! :-)

There are no right answers (heck, the plan designers didn't even get it right - tee hee!), so definitely go with the "tweaks" that work for you! If you take it week-by-week and just find where you fall in terms of calorie needs - and how that translates into points - I think you will create a self-made-program out of PP that works for you! :-)

We all have to find ways to make these plans our own. And I think as long as we lean on one another - and support eachother - we will all get there!!


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I have been a WW online member since I started, so I never received hard copies of the materials. Therefore I don't have any reference materials to use in order to go back to Momentum. I'm going to try and make P+ work for me, but obviously cannot use it as written since I've seen a 5lb gain since starting with it. This is really my first week of experimenting. I'm going to stick to 29 pts per day, plus any activity points I earn on that day. Weeklies are off limits. I know this is higher than most of you are trying, but I just cannot seem to stomach the idea of eating so little! I had been eating most of the points available to me but clearly that was not a great idea. I could consume all my points on Momentum and still lose at a slow and steady rate. That's why I liked it...kept things under control for me but not too austere. My weigh-in day is Friday so I'll post back with the results. I'm also going to track calories here just for another view on how much I'm really eating. Best of luck to all!

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Jennie - I am so with you on that! I loved WW because it almost took the stress out of it. :(

I did track on here for quite a while, though and loved it so I'm finding that tracking both might be helpful. I probably needed a calorie intake refresher anyway to really understand what I'm eating. :)

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This is great! I seem to average about a 4-point buffer as well. I tracked my whole day here, ending up with 1290-ish calories, which is well within my daily goal range.
Plugged the day into the PP tracker and et voila! 25 points. That's with counting fruits. So I think that's probably going to be my sweet spot, with say 28 WPAs (the 4 buffers daily over 7 days). I will keep doing this for the next 2 weeks and hopefully I can stop having to think/work so hard at getting PP to work for me.
What a relief that would be. I miss that sense of calm control I felt on Momentum.

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KAFOX62 - Good luck tomorrow! :) Definitely let us know how it goes. It sounds like you've found your niche by taking 4 points off of your daily total. I'm thinking the point discrepancies are the biggest issue - maybe if we can all figure out what points we should have been assigned (I'm thinking mine should be less, too!) we might have more success! :)

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I just give myself a 4 point buffer each day. This will be the second week I've done this and weigh in is tomorrow. I'll let y'all know how it goes. (I lost some last week, so I'm hopeful)

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I'm with you, Jen!

I wish they would let us switch between the plans (like they used to do between Flex and Core and then Momentum and Core). One size does not fit all - and I thought WW knew that! :(

Here's to hoping they will get back to their roots sometime very soon!!

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I am discouraged w/Points Plus at the moment so decided to start over with Momentum today.

Hopefully, WW will listen to us "less to lose" folks & redesign PP with something that will work for us!

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I think that's a great start to getting the plan molded into something that will work for you! One of these days, I will have the guts to try PP again and make it what I need it to be, too.

I think for now, I am going to stay on Momentum and get back in the habit of tracking with Spark. Once I figure out my ideal caloric intake here, I can figure how to translate that into success with PP.

We're all here to check with one another and get ideas - I really think that by putting our heads together, we will all come up with some great ideas!! :)

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OOH, look at you! I love that you're breaking it up for us like this.

I am still following the PP plan, but I have yet to find a balance. I think I will be reducing my daily target to 23, and not counting fruits. I had initially thought maybe I could just start counting fruits, but they don't account for that much of my diet, I don't think... So I don't see that that will make a big difference. So I think I will reduce my dailies and see if that works, and then use my WPAs if needed.

I'm mostly here to gank ideas from other folks because I don't have this figured out yet (which is the reason for my irritation!). lol.

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Now that you're on the new plan, have you found success? What changes have you made? Do you feel that you've gained a better understanding of your weight loss needs?



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"Do one thing every day that scares you." - Eleanor Roosevelt

"I'd rather be a could-be if I cannot be an are; because a could-be is a maybe who is reaching for a star. I'd rather be a has-been than a might-have-been, by far; for a might have-been has never been, but a has was once an are." - Milton Berle

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