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10/10/10 12:36 P

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Not banned but much more tightly controlled. Should be used only when regular diet and exercise will not work.
As it is diet pills seem to replace "will-power" and good food choices. I have been on several in my lifetime, they work but they will not make permanent lifestyle changes.

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9/21/10 6:58 P

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I tried diet pills once. My hands shook, my heart raced and I threw the bottle out. I didn't need the government to tell me what to do. I don't need stuff to be banned. I do need to read warning labels. I do need to be informed of potential side effects and most of all I need to be left alone to make my own decision.

I have to say that I am very tired of laws that are enacted to save me from myself. Unless what I want to do is hurting someone else, I cannot for the life of me see why there needs to be law instead of education. Wearing my seatbelt, helmet laws, banning transfat, etc. All are beyond the scope of government in my little opinion.

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9/17/10 4:21 P

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I need to move to NH. Yeah, that could be considered a very political question.

I think it opens up a whole new line of communication that we, in general has become "quick fix". It's cheaper to treat symptoms with drugs rather than with education, expensive surgeons, therapists, and lifestyle changes. We need instant gratification. Quick Fixes.

And most people ignore the label that says "with proper diet and exercise" when they view those ads.

Personally, I'll buy a diet program/nutrition supplement/Weight Watchers, when they can advertise their success without the tiny print, "Results not typical." Hmmm.... And isn't it interesting that I have never seen this on Spark?

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Meridia is prescription. i dont think prescription weight loss drugs should be banned. but the xenical, etc...YES. money pits.
And the HGT or whatever it is..thats dangerous stuff!

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They have access to enough drugs, should we give more?

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Most of them, when broken down, are just cheap speed. That's why the kids buy them - to get high. But they can also explode your heart if you take several like the kids do. I think, at the very least, you should be 21 to take them and they should be behind the pharmacy counter.
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9/14/10 10:38 P

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So many of these drugs have such bad side effects.
They scare me as much as my weight does.

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Yes because the majority are harmful. Also we don't want our children to start this bad habit.

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9/14/10 7:03 P

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No. If they worked without major, horrible side effects, I'd take anything I could get. I exercise (a lot), watch what I eat--very low cal. Pounds should be melting off me from the small quantity of food I consume daily. My weight-loss problems feel overwhelming at times. I am in incredible, constant pain from a hospital induced/acquired infection and 5 surgeries where docs tried to cut out as much of my knee as possible to root out the infection. I have to take narcotics constantly for the pain, but they almost have stopped my metabolism. I would be so grateful if another pill could make it work again.

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9/14/10 3:38 P

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People talk about banning dangerous drugs when we still have cigarettes out there...
I agree with the banning of commercials for prescriptions, though.

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9/14/10 11:00 A

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I agree with the comments made by many of you, including Musetoo. While diet pills can be very dangerous, we live in a country that prides itself in free choice. The more government regulation we have, the more we negate our very essence as a society.

I agree with the FDA researching and pulling the drugs with the most dangerous side effects. However, the step of actually banning the drugs all together is excessive and gives the government too much say in our day to day lives.

While I do not condone use of any of these drugs, they can provide motivation, or a placebo effect, for some people.

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I do think the OTC ones should be banned. People are spending billions for drugs that only disappoint in the long run. They might help at the very beginning but most find themselves having to take more and more to get them to curb the hunger.
And those doctor prescribed need to be watched closely. A lot of doctors prescribe them then do no follow-up whatsoever.


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9/14/10 10:41 A

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I think the FDA is taking the right approach. If a weight-loss drug has very harmful side effects, it should be banned, just as with any other drug. Otherwise, it's a free society and people are free to be stupid. However, I would favor much stricter regulation of advertising--the claims made by some of these people are just untrue. In fact, I would favor a ban on advertising for prescription drugs. Anyone who's medically knowledgeable can find out what products are out there, and anyone who's not shouldn't be going to their doctor and begging for a particular drug when they don't fully understand their condition or the alternatives for treatment.

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9/14/10 10:13 A

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From seeing what these drugs can do to people and the fact that none of the "weight loss drugs" are really successful long term, I lean towards a yes answer. Too many people waste too much money on a "quick fix". Long term weight loss is much harder to achieve than popping a pill and there are too many side effects to these drugs.

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Wow, I just got a moment to check my emails and topic threads here on the team. You've all got some well informed opinions and insights into this topic.

For me its been a lesson learned, and since everyone is unique the choice and decisions on what tools a person uses to help them maintain a healthy weight is just that "their choice."

I applaud all of you who've looked for more information to better help you realize what works for you. Though I do believe the warnings on weight loss drugs should be in BOLD LARGE PRINT not an afterthought.



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9/14/10 8:59 A

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It would be ideal if these OTC diet companies simply went away because no one was buying their products, but I don't thinking a federal ban is the right way to do it. Let's face it -- most people want the easy fix, and as this team especially knows, eating clean and exercising doesn't instantly melt pounds away either.

People are used to instant gratification and don't know how or aren't willing to make the lifestyle changes to achieve a healthier body. That's why I love this website so much, because it's all about changing your bad habits to good ones, and not get-a-bikini-body-in-three-days. I don't need a pill if I've got Spark.

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9/14/10 8:32 A

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For me, this is like saying some books should be banned because they put dangerous ideas in people's heads. It all depends on the individual, and who are we to decide what is right for everyone? All drugs have risks--All. I am on 9 prescription drugs right now, and I suppose any one of them could cause some serious health problems. So could the diet meds. I took dexatrim in my early 20s and it helped tremendously. Someone mentioned 20% genetics, and basically 80% willpower (though that person called it "lifestyle"). Some people don't have that much willpower and need extra help. Doctors have always said to me, "eat better and exercise more," and left it at that, and that was really vague advice. What the heck did they mean, eat better? I ate 3 meals a day plus snacks, wasn't that better than skipping meals???? You who know better may laugh, but if you watch Biggest Loser, you know there is a LOT of ignorance out there about eating right and even exercise.
I say people should have an informed choice. I'm sick of the government making laws to basically legislate stupidity, which is what most laws are all about. (but then, I'm from NH, and that tends to be our mindset anyway: live free or die)

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9/14/10 6:22 A

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I think they should be banned. I tried phen-fen when I was young and regret it now. I did lose weight, but gained it all back and could have potentially hurt my heart. The side effects are not worth it. Mistakes seem to be the only things that are quick and easy.

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9/14/10 1:56 A

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Here is the hyperlink to the article that Suzy referred to:

www.sparkpeople.com/resource/health_
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All OTC diet medicines should be banned. Perhaps some could be used with a close Doctor's supervision as long as Diet and Exercise were also carefully monitored. I am not totally decided on this though.



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I think they should be banned as well.....

Some of the side effects are too great

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9/13/10 11:16 P

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Yes, I think they should be banned.

They are very misleading and results could be devastating for many people who have never been diagnosed with a disease like high blood pressure or diabetes. So many different side effects.

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I agree that slow & natural weight loss thru diet changes and healthy exercise is the way to get lasting results. But I don't agree with banning diet drugs. We have too many Nanny-State rules already, enacted to protect people from their own decisions. But many of us learn only by making our own mistakes. The search for a quick fix will not disappear if these drugs are banned, it will just change direction. Should we ban grapefruits because some people have gone off good nutrition in favor of the Grapefruit Diet?

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So far, it doesn't appear that they've been able to find a safe one. Of course, in the end, there has to be human testing so it does seem like a chicken and egg problem. I have to say if there was really a safe diet pill, I'd take it, but I don't think that will happen in my lifetime.

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I've tried both prescription and OTC diet drugs with no lasting results though my house was super clean in 1970 because of the amphetamines prescribed then. I do think there are people who benefit from the drugs though. Not the people who just want to be thinner, but people with real medical problems that they can't control. I don't think all the drugs should be banned but I do think they should be regulated better.

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I don't think all should be banned as some have other uses as well (e.g. diuretics), but I do think they should not be available without a prescription and monitoring by a health care professional.


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I think that they are really bad for people...I have seen young kids really messed up from taking them...I wouldn't mind seeing them banned...

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No, I personally would not take these drugs. One of the side effects of Phen is heart problems, and they
are already on both sides of the family, so I choose
Spark. LOL

I wouldn't tell anyone else what to do, but for me,
never.

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Not at all! I used Phen from May till last week. I used it to teach myself how to eat smaller meals. I did not go into it looking for a "magic pill" I used it as a tool. That is all that it is...a tool.

BTW- I chose to stop taking it. The Dr would keep me on it as long as I am losing and my BP doesn't go up.

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Years ago I tried Redux and got amazing results. I was no longer hungry all the time. And when I ate, as soon as I had sufficient food, I didn't even want another bite. It was wonderful. Then, with the Phen-Fen problem, they also took Redux off the market. I hated that, and still think that with monitoring it would be okay. The ones I would like to see banned are all those outrageous pills that do nothing except add caffeine to your system or some form of speed. They are dangerous.

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I am not sure--it one of those ongoing debates just like with fake chemical sugars. I still believe that obesity is 20% genetics and 80% lifestyle. All drugs have harmful side effects in the short term and/or long term.

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I think some should, but it need be an careful process, case by case. Some of these products are toxic and need to be taken off the market. But some of these products innocuous and can give short term, encouraging results--which might lead the person to more weight loss in a more sane way.

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I have never used any and don't think I would. As for others using them I have not decided. In some ways for short term use along with learning how to eat right and starting to exercise I think is ok. Yet how many do it that way? As a transcriptionist I have typed notes on patient who seem to use it as the quick fix because they go on it medication for a period then go off and then go back on it. I do not agree with this as it does not fix the problem.



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Hi Team,

I just read an interesting article in the Health News in concerns about the FDA banning the weight loss drug, Meridia www.sparkpeople.com/resource/health_news_d
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Which started me thinking- after all you've learned in your own journey to become a more healthy person and get those pounds off do you believe the FDA should ban all weight loss drugs?

Would it do society a turn to the better in finally stopping the search for a "quick fix drug" to pop and go back to the true basics of eating healthy, proper portions, and adding exercise into everyone's lifestyle. Have you even used either a prescription weight loss drug or something over the counter hoping to get results?

I openly admit in my teenage years turning to appetite suppressants and diuretics in hope of getting the scale to move due to how society views teenage girls to look (even back in the 80s). Then after I had my son, I begged my doctors for help in regard to either putting me on a medical diet and exercise program. The best they did was write me a prescription which I did try for an small amount of time due to the astronomical amount paid just for a 30 days supply. I have tried that drug, Meridia which was over $100 and saw no results and I was still pursuing my exercise along with eating healthy.

So my opinion at the moment is to ban those weight loss drugs. For the majority of us out there with the titles of being labelled Obese or Overweight we already have the start of pre-existing health conditions. Most of those drugs out there carry lots of warnings and side effects, is your life worth the chance of a quick fix? For me, I am opting for the hard earned title of being Healthy and fit. Its going to take daily determination, consistency, and the motivation to move. It can be done and the results will be so much better for what I learn and experience along the way. Plus the side effects to doing weight loss this way are:
lower stress levels
higher energy
a boost in self esteem
healthier medical testing results
A slow but consistent reduction on the scale
Clothing that will start to feel loose
And body parts that will start to feel firm
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