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PSALM22, I think you are onto something.....I checked out a couple of the websites you listed - THANK YOU - the information was really eye-opening. I also went to the store and got some chicken hearts & gizzards - they were out of livers - my cat thought he'd died and gone to heaven!! He could not get enough. I didn't over do it, because I want to make sure he is not going to throw up, but it's been about 18 hours now, so far so good!!
I did make a vet appt for him, but it is not until Friday. I am hoping by then I'll have turned him around enough to cancel the appt. I also think I will get some FortiFlora, it's a probiotic powder that I've heard good things about (and even my vet likes it).

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4/2/12 5:08 P

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I sure do appreciate the advice. I will do some checking into it. This past weekend, 4 times now I have had to clean up poo (diarrhea) because altho he made it "to" the litter box, he didn't (or wasn't able) to wait until he got all the way in/turned around, and he made a mess outside the box. Luckily I use towels under my boxes so I just threw the towels out. But good grief what a mess and smelly too.
I am just worried that if I change his food he will throw up. I gave some tuna to our other cat and he got ahold of it also, then threw it up. Maybe I just try a spoonful at a time, for now.
In the meantime I'm going to call my vet to see if we need to put him back on the Albon (it's an antibiotic I've had good luck with in the past) or something - anything - to stop his runny poo. It's awful.
And by the way he's had that for quite awhile, even before being put on this prescription diet. I know it goes along with pancreatitis, but I can't imagine living like that myself, I can only imagine how my poor cat feels. I wonder if we should do a new ultrasound to see if there's been changes since the last one. ???

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4/1/12 12:11 A

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Also cook chicken organ meats with the muscle meat. Taurine is a biggie cats need (think chicken hearts). And mix up the proteins a little, don't use only chicken day in and day out, week after week.

Like people, the common allergens are corn, gluten (wheat), soy, dairy & egg.

Some resources to check out:

Dr. Becker, DVM, at healthypets.mercola.com/ . I've been reading her e-mails for many months now and her advice is good.

Susan Thixton of www.truthaboutpetfood.com/ and Cathy Alinovi, DVM, published a book on homemade food called "Dinner Pawsible".

Lisa Pierson's, DVM, page on making cat food catinfo.org/?link=makingcatfood

Speaking from my cynicism about modern food manufacturing, human and pet, most pet food manufacturers are not really our pets' friends when it comes to truly healthy food despite all of the marketing hype.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Galatians 5:22-23 (NIV)


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3/31/12 12:49 P

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Cats are true carnivores...they typically don't need grain and plant material except as bulking agents for the food to be filling. If left to free feed on pure protein foods, they can, and often do, become overweight. Feral cats will often not become overweight on the same diet as they are constantly eating small amounts throughout the day.

I would think that trying the chicken and rice once more would be good, so long as you supplement your cat's diet with something like Petinic, to ensure the proper vitamin and mineral levels are maintained. You might also want to add some red meat (if I feed red meat, it is bison, which is also low in fat) in, as that has the highest iron-nutritive protein.

It's odd that your cat is still having the diarrhea...that tells me there probably is an allergy there...then again, so is my boy Saint, who is still recovering (and still looks anorexic, as well) from his illness last year.

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3/31/12 12:43 A

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You make a good point; which had occured to me, but my vet was so insistent I use it....
prior to putting him on this, he had quit eating again, and so I was making "homemade" cat food for him. I boiled a whole chicken, picked the meat off the bone, and then boiled rice to mix with it and gave it to him - and that was ALL he ate (and he loved it). Then when I took him to the vet (because he kept throwing up, etc) the vet thought that was pretty good but not a "complete" diet....I have no idea what my cat might have been missing because cats are far more carnivorous than say, a dog (who will do quite well on a more vegetarian style diet). I am wondering if I should go back to the boiled chicken and rice diet. ???
My cat is getting both wet and dry versions of the gastrointestinal I/D food.

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3/30/12 10:36 P

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Out of curiosity I checked the ingredients for i/d. Excluding the vitamin & mineral premix and other trace stuff, it reads:

Chicken By-Product Meal, Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Whole Grain Corn, Pork Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Powdered Cellulose, Dried Chicken, Lactic Acid, Chicken Liver Flavor,

Personally, I would seriously discuss the quality of this food with the vet and do my own research. Just as people can be allergic to corn, so can cats, and the 3rd and 4th ingredients are both corn. In addition, cats digestive systems are not designed to process much in the way vegetable protein, let alone grains, that have not been predigested by prey (like mice). Granted, medical conditions must be taken into account, but quality protein helps kitties feel satiated instead of starved for what their bodies are demanding.

As an example on the allergy issue, my youngest cat is allergic to eggs and I have to read all labels to ensure there is no egg.

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3/28/12 5:40 P

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I don't think we know the underlying cause. He said newest research shows cats who've been exposed to feline leukemia have a tendency to develop pancreatitis later in life - and could be exposure in the womb.
I have started mixing the dry into the wet to force him to eat it because when he eats the dry he is so much more satiated. That worked, and now he's eating the dry on his own. I free feed him but he is still so darn skinny - anorexic if you ask me. Also the diarrhea will not quit.
The prednisone he gets transdermal because he quit eating before - when I was giving it to him in his feed - so this way at least I know he's getting his meds. We also put him on famotedine (pepcid) but he's finished with that now. It did not stop him from throwing up, as we had hoped.
What is so weird is he will eat ANYTHING he can find - right up to licking the firewood for any pieces of dried grass or moss on it - then he throws up. He does keep the I/D food down. I just don't get it.
Most recently (this past week) I've started noticing a change in him, in his attitude really, and I'm wondering if we are on our last legs. He just seems resigned to being sick and not feeling well.
Thanks for your reply.

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3/27/12 2:41 P

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Does your Vet know the underlying cause of the pancreatitis? Sometimes, if it is caused by cholangiohepatits, tube feeding may well be in order, to prevent onset of hepatic lipidosis, at which point the cat will cease eating on its own and will need to be tube fed and given subcutaneous fluids. I know corticosteroids might also be helpful in treatment of the pancreatitis, too...so may be another option (unless this is what you are still using on his ears...in which case, an oral formulation may be in order).

So long as he is still eating, this won't be a problem, and it sounds like he is okay with the wet I/D food. Is he really that hugry or does he just eat the cat of i/d quickly? Have you considered getting the I/D in dry formulation for mixing with the wet to help satiate his hunger? I know you said he won't eat the dry, but mixed with wet, or add water and microwaved, he may like it more.

I hope some resolution comes soon...I know the quandry of dealing with a very sick 10 year old cat...just brought my 10 y/o, Saint, through a month of tube feeding and vet hospitalization late last year.

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3/27/12 1:52 P

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Took Maxie to the vet because we discovered that now he is spraying in the spare room. We took all the carpeting out and it looks nice but the smell in the one room remains and we are battling that. The vet did blood work and everything is normal except his protein level, he is not absorbing enough from his food. So in addition to the regular food, she has me give him one spoonful of canned kitten food twice a day to get some extra calories in him. He throws that up, too but he loves it. She wanted to do urine tests and $400 worth of x-rays but we said no. He is 15 and fine otherwise so he will live out his life as best he can at home. The spraying seems to have stopped, too. And his thyroid is fine.

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3/27/12 9:18 A

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Hi.

I hope he's doing OK now. I would recommend your vet do a thyroid profile on your kitty. He could be hyper-T. It couldn't hurt to at least rule that out.

Hyperthyroidism is a whole other illness with similar symptoms but a whole other set of issues to deal with.

Good luck!
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I'm afraid I don't have any experience that might be of help. Good luck!

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2/25/12 7:37 P

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Sounds like you have a very knowledgeable vet. When my Maggie came down with it, we could not get it under control despite all the in-patient fluids and meds. I hope things improve for your cat. trust your gut when it comes to quality of life.

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2/25/12 12:17 P

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Hi! My cat throws up all the time! We are thinking of tearing out our living room carpeting because of all the stains, we are tired of shampooing it every week. Maxie is 15 years old and chews everything in sight. A piece of lint on the floor, a stray thread, ribbons and whiskers on stuffed animals, my hair if he can sneak it, and he loves cleaning and eating cobwebs if I miss any! All this makes him throw up a lot! I asked the vet and she said I need to play with him more because he wants attention. Maxie is the most spoiled cat, he is like our child! he never really played much but loves to be carried around the house to look out windows, especially before bedtime. He is always by my side and I am always having a conversation with him. He does have the urinary crystal problem but it is under control with Science diet mature cat hairball control. He is a long hair gray cat, and we get him shaved in the summer and he loves it. Vet said to let him lick out my yogurt container when I am done with it because it`s good for his tummy, just not too much. He loves vanilla yogurt! As long as your kitty isn`t showing any pain or sickness, i think the throwing up is something that is just going to happen, as in Maxie`s case. Keep an eye on him tho, and if you notice anything unusual, call the vet. Don`t know if this helps but that`s my 2 cents!

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I have a 10-yr old cat who was diagnosed with Pancreatitis about 3 years ago. At the time, the vet put him on an antibiotic mixed with a steroid. We went thru 2 courses of this - about 5 weeks - and after that he was fine, he gained weight and looked good.
About a year later he went downhill again. We went thru 2 more courses of antibiotics with steroid and then afterwards kept him on the prednisone pills - crushed into wet food every day.
He did fine for awhile then quit eating. And throwing up - again. He loves it when I make homemade chicken soup so I made him his own - boiled chicken & rice and he ate it very well for about 2 weeks then quit eating again.
He also threw up and there was some red flecks in there that I couldn't figure out where they came from.
I took him in to the vet, again. He kept him overnight for 2 nights. He gave him IV meds and a very powerful anti-nausea drug. He sent him home with the following: Prescription food - Science Diet I/D for gastrointestinal distress; transdermal steroid (a compounded lotion I put in the hairless portion of his ears every day); famotedine (rx pepcid) liquid; and a probiotic powder called Forti-Flora. It's been just barely a month on this routine but he's already thrown up 3 times, over the last week-10 days he's refused to eat anything but the wet food (won't eat the dry), his poops are nothing but runny and they stink to the high heavens.
Blood work the vet has done has come out fine, at least nothing that would point us in any direction.
Has anybody else had experience with this? What did you do? My cat is downright anorexic! He's never been a fat cat to begin with but this is ridiculous. He's going thru about a can a day of the wet food. He is also hungry because I don't dare leave anything around he might get into - even a bread crust the kids drop! Even a piece of kibble the dog missed! I am wondering if we (my vet and I) are missing some other piece of the puzzle.....???
We have not given up on him because he does not give off any sign that he's ready to give up. I won't put him down unless he tells me he's ready; but neither do I like him to be so miserable.

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