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1/6/10 12:50 P

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:) You're welcome.

One more variation on "Hagallah" that I've seen is basically where you step the right foot forward and drop the right hip down, while the back left leg is straight, then instead of doing some specific movements with the hip, you do a simple and short one-leg shimmy on the right leg as you bring the left leg forward and left hip down.

So it's like a
DOWN, wiggley wiggley wiggley,
DOWN, wiggley wiggley wiggley,

-- and the DOWN has a longer pause, or hold. And it's done usually in 4/4 or 8/4 timing.

I THINK -- don't quote me -- Jillina taught this on one of her videos. But I may be getting her confused with another video.

BTW -- I'm assuming the name "Samiha" is describing the same movement as Jamila's Samiha, but I can't guarantee that. Jamila and Shareen el Safy both taught what I described as "Samiha" but I can't say that it didn't get changed into something different along the road. :)

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1/6/10 12:40 P

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Thanks for the info, Amanda! I was hoping you'd chime in on this :)

I'm going to print out this thread & bring it to class tonight for discussion (this was actually from my Sat. class, but there's overlap of students). I suspect this will lead to experimenting with all the different variations of 3/4 shimmies, or at least I hope it will. FUN!

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1/5/10 11:45 P

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Thanks, Amanda.

That sounds more like what Pumpkin was describing.

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1/5/10 10:03 P

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Hi Pumpkin!

In Jamila Salimpour terminology, the Samiha is basically the same thing as the Bedouin shimmy.

It's sort of a 3/4 shimmy, but in 4/4 time. It goes something like this:

Right hip goes DOWN (count one) , then you pause for one count (count two).
Then the right hip goes up (count three) and down again (count four).

Then the left hip does a 3/4 shimmy -- down up down.


BUT -- you twist the right hip forward on the first count. Think about "hoisting" your hip up and over.


What makes this a Bedouin movement is the pause on count 2, which gives more visual "weight" to the first down of the hip.

Now, Jamila only ever taught this movement with the down and pause on the RIGHT hip, and I've only ever seen it done in Bedouin dance on th right hip, but you could certainly also do it on the left hip, alternating.

The "Hagallah" shimmy is from the Bedouin Hajala dance, which is actually pretty much a men's dance, but Reda Troupe did it as a women's dance.

Basically, it's a Samiha, with a pause on BOTH sides. So your right hip would go down-pause-up-down, then the left hip would go Down-pause-up-down. One variation is to keep the back (non-working) leg straight when the other hip is doing the work.

This is an authentic ethnic dance step and comes from the Bedouin dance tradition, from North Africa and the northern desert peoples. There is a fairly decent dvd produced by Hossam and Serena Ramzy on tradition Bedouin dance, and she teaches the "Hajala" on this dvd.

Keep in mind the actual ethnic "Hajala" looks different from the cabaret/tribal "Hagallah." But the root is the same.

NOTE:
Jamila Salimpour was fond of naming steps after the dancer she first saw doing the movement, and this supposedly was named after a dancer called "Samiha" (although not Samia Gamal) much like the "Maya" was named after dancer Maya Meduar. Her terminology was picked up by many other teachers throughout the US.

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1/5/10 8:48 P

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That could be yet another name for it. I seem to recall Aradia of LV calling it a Lebonese (?) shimmy - maybe she called it a Turkish shimmy (it was her workshop comparing Egyptian, Lebonese & Turkish styles, so it was one of those :P - it was 2 years ago so its all a little fuzzy)

And just to clarify, the semiha (or whatever its called) has a twist in it. So the hip you're moving does sort of a vertical circle to the front as your lower body is twisting to put that hip in front. Is that still the same as your Turkish down-hips?

I'd be really interested in the origin of the names of the moves.

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1/5/10 7:28 P

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I have never heard those two terms before.

But, it sounds like you are describing traveling Turkish down-hips. At least that is what my teacher called it. My mother just calls it traveling down-hips. She is a Turkish dancer.

Does this even help you?


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My teacher was going over what she called Semihas and what I've learned as hagala (or half-hagala). We discussed whether those were different names for the same move or maybe slightly different moves & weren't sure. Anybody know?

The way she taught it was to move one hip in a vertical circle (back?) up & over, ending with the hip going down as you step forward (not sure I'm describing this well). Emphasis was sort of on the down. Repeat with other hip (walking move)

We talked about the origins of the name. Amara had been told it was named after someone. I know Semiha is a Turkish name, so...maybe - but who is the Semiha it was named after? And how did the name hagala come about? And is it really a half-hagala? Being somewhat of a linguistics geek, I came up with a theory that maybe semiha and half-hagala have the same origin: semi=half & ha=short for hagala (just popped into my head)

Anyway, Amara's response was "why don't you research all that & report back". A Google search did not turn up much. So, help! I wanna learn more.

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