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10/29/08 2:37 A

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I am basically allergic to MSG, but have never had trouble with any soy products. I don't understand the connection.

As far as soy products, there "vegan" products that are supposed to be imitation hamburger. i don't recall brands = perhaps Bocca burgers.

I have mentioned my friend who works for a cardiology group. She gave a Valentine's day program once on how soy can make your heart healthy.
She brought her cholesterol down over 50 points by drinking a Soy milk shake every day for breakfast, and eating green soy beans [edamame] every day. she put the green soy beans on salads or ate them mixed with veggies like broccoli. She occasionally ate the tofu and the imitation soy burgers.

I have eaten the green soy beans at least once a week for years if I can find them. I also eat soy nuts as a topper on salads. Lately, I eat one or the other everyday. I can find them at Krogers.

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8/20/08 2:19 A

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If you're not overly fond of the taste of soy products, there are a number of ways to add soy that are more "palatable". I add soy protein powder, soy milk or light silken tofu to my smoothies each morning. I also add these ingredients to baked goods. And I've found I really like edamame and black soy beans added to soups, chili, and casseroles. Toasted soy beans can be a tasty snack in moderation - especially the seasoned ones. And Mornigstar Farms "beef" crumbles added to spaghetti sauce is another way to introduce a little soy to your diet.

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(i never heard of that before - the soy sauce turning into msg. i do know that msg is a vegetable derivative.

i'll have to do a little online research about it.)

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We have a couple of Asian resturaunts here too and I always specify no MSG when I call in my order. When I pick it up, sometimes I ask to make sure if it wasn't written on the paper or didn't come out with it. They have had to take it back twice and cook it over again for me. Interesting too about the soy sauce. When my DH specified no MSG at one and then ordered something that had Soy sauce in it when it was cooked, they told him he didn't want anything, that had soy sauce in ir when it was cooked because it turned to MSG in the cooking.

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I used to visit an Asian buffet restaurant that had "NO MSG" signs posted at the end of each of the 5 buffet tables. The last time I was there, the signs were changed to read "No MSG Added".

It's the same sort of thing we have to watch out for in the "No Sugar Added" packaging - you just KNOW it's in there somewhere! *grin*

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(marge, i wouldn't always trust the 'no msg' signs. it's funny because me and my friends always say if you go to an asian restaurant and you are not asian, they won't put msg in your food but if you are, they will put msg in your food no matter what - even if they have a no msg sign. ha ha.

mostly a joke but partially true.)

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This is very interesting. I eat a lot of asian food and love teriyaki and soy sauce. But I also get sick most of the time. I related it to MSG, so the comment about soy turning to MSG was interesting. So I did a SparkWebSearch and found a site that said that 20% of the population is allergic to soy. Soy is what MSG is made from, but not necessarily what soy turns into when heated. If you have a reaction to MSG, you are probably allergic to soy.

This is interesting in itself in that yesterday I had a doc appt for some migraines. I've been taking a supplement for menopause which main ingredient is of course, soy isoflavones which are a "good" estrogen substitute for menopause and such. The doctor said that is probably what my headaches are from. It is also known to cause your blood to thicken and can cause strokes and actually elevate your cholesterol she said. Now THAT was an eye opener and I'm still doing more research to check that out. My "theory" at the moment is that some of us are just more prone to allergies and drug and herb and food sensitivities. I did not know about the MSG-Soy relationship. But it makes sense now.

I will be researching this more today and let you know what I find........if anything. I believe it is probably more a food allergy than anything else. Soy is touted to be very good for you, but so is whole grains. If you are allergic to anything........it's just not very good for YOU then. What can we say.

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1/31/08 8:37 A

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Maybe thats why I get headaches from Asian food.

I thought it was from the MSG, but most places say no MSG. "Very intresting my dear watson" Thanks.
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We found out that little tidbit at an Oriental Resturaunt.

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Say What?? I look at EVERYTHING to make sure it say no MSG not knowing soy sauce turns to MSG very interesting...snap!

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That's for sure. I don't know about the preseasoned and formed product but blocks of plain tofu are very inexpensive and they go a long way.

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(i honestly don't think soy is more expensive.

i mean a block of soy to be used in a dish is going to cost less than the same amount of meat.

google 'ma po tofu'. that's a really simple but popular asian dish. if you get a block of extra firm tofu and chop it into little dice-sized blocks and cook it with some veggies and spices you can eat that over rice.)

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thanks for your comments. I still think buy soy would be cheaper though if it will get me off my meds and make me healthier. hopefully I like the stuff

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I don't know haw soy changes when heated but, soy sauce when heated becomes MSG, so anyone that gets sick from MSG needs to check it out.

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The people on the coupon group that I am on do seem to say that soy is more expensive. Thus far I have tried tofu in recipes and well, it is okay, but nothing to rave about. It takes on the flavor of things around it. Nothing offensive or good about it, to me. Soy milk, I did not care for. That is all I have tried so far for soy. I am game to try something new, but I don't like having to pay for that something new. I was raised not to waste food and how can one try something new if they are afraid they won't like it, and then they will have to waste it? Ideas?

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hmm, interesting. I am going to head over to trader joes this weekend and try some soy stuff. Anyone know if soy is more expensive?

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(i honestly had no idea some people were so opposed to the idea of eating soy until recently. i discovered quite a few of my coworkers and friends refuse to even try something soy. it surprised me they wouldn't give something they never tried a try. i guess part of it might be the fact that i'm asian and i've eaten tofu and drank asian-style soy milk forever.

i really prefer asian-style soy milk over the soy milk they sell in the grocery stores. the taste is completely different.)

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Hello all...I must say soy and wheat are not for me. I can gain 3-4 inches on my stomach in the matter of 2-3 hours.

My great aunts ages 90 & 92 refuse to eat ANYTHING with soy in it. They raised cattle, sheep and hogs on soy beans. They were farmers, soybeans and kirby' were grown for the the factories.

They both still drive, clean their own houses and do their own shopping and cooking without a cane, walker or aides, and they can't imagine why they lived so long...HMMM LOL Marge

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I eat soy due to a lactose intolerance, but I enjoy it. My daughter is a vegetarian and eats plenty of it, in all it's different forms. Hot dogs, hamburgers, pizza (my personal fav.). She has lost a considerable amount of weight over time.
Some brands are better than others, you just have to test it out and choose which soy products enhance your tastebuds most. Any local whole foods grocery will give you a variety to choose from.

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the book is 50 ways to lower your cholesterol by Mary P. McGowan.

It says that "in 1998 the FDA determined that soy protein, as part of a diet of low in saturated fat and cholesterol, is likely to reduce blood cholesterol levels and consequently to reduce the risk of coronary heart disease."

I can't find the spot now but it remember reading that the soy protein was taking the place of animal fats and that is how it helps. Like instead of eating a fattening hot dog you eat a soy hot dog.

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(maybe because when used as a substitute it is lower in fat?)

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Yes, there are a number of soy products available. Soy hot dogs, burgers, ground round, besides different types of tofu and flavors of soy milk. I have had the milk and tofu lots but have not tried the "meat" products yet. Soy is very bland in itself and kind of takes on the taste of whatever it is seasoned with. The taste is Okay; not great at first but definitely okay and you do acquire a taste for it. I tend to cut things that help with one problem a bit of slack and put up with it for the good things it is doing elsewhere. Try it, it's not bad and you might like it a lot. People do.

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what book did you see it in? I do know that soy products are healthy, but was not aware of this.



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I haven't heard of soy hot dogs but will look for them next time I buy groceries. Mary :)

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I just read a book on Cholesterol. It said that soy was a good thing to lower cholesterol. Like soy hot dogs and such. Has anyone tried this or heard of this?

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