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11/17/12 8:11 P

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I too have stopped taking any supplements but I would be interested in ideas for combating vaginal irritation. Tried the coconut oil- works OK as a lubricant but does not end the irritation.


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It takes careful study on the herbals, and a trained herbal professional will know when to take a single herbal. What seems to best for many is a combination, as one herb will deal with one aspect of your body's needs, and another herb will help moderate the side effect of the first herb, and then a third herb might deal with another aspect of your body's needs, and so on. I'm still in the learning process myself, as I buy and use one brand of herbal products that are also sold in stores (depending on how big a person wants to be in sales).

Another thing to learn is whether or not an herbal is something that can be taken as an ongoing thing, or only for a few weeks and then have to go "off" for awhile. For example, casada segrada (sp?) is used in a lot of herbal preparations to alleviate constipation - it helps the muscles in the intestines and colon do their work. But it "wears" off in about two weeks and is not as effective. (I'm sure there is a deeper medical explaination of the hows and whys, but I'm not a doctor.). Then after a few weeks or months, you could use it again.

I've not personally tried Black Cohash straight, but I believe it is included in one of my menopause herbals that I have.

I have also learned that - for me, at least - soy is NOT good for me, specifically unfermented soy (like soybeans straight up, soy milk, etc.). Fermented soy products would be things like tempeh and miso. But there is a lot of soy in foods, specifically fast foods using various soy proteins etc made from genetically modified soy - which introduces a whole new range of hormonal messups into the menopause mix... Evidently, and this is my layperson's attempt to interpret the more medically written information I've read, but my being obese, the extra fat on my body is already an indicator of too much estrogen. The soy itself is considered a "phytoestrogen" ("phyto" meaning basically like fake/false/similar to) and so it will fit into all the body receptors for estrogen and the body thinks of it as estrogen.... and then there's more complex medical stuff that I'm not remembering exactly how to clearly explain it...but the long story, for me, at least, is to avoid soy like the plague. Besides that, it makes my gut feel weird, like I just got kicked inside...

So my "milk" stuff mostly comes from almond milk or hemp milk... or coconut milk in very moderate quantities. But I can tell it when I've had soy junk in my processed foods so I try to avoid all that.

Anyway so I guess I got myself sidetracked, sorry, but it looked like I was seeing some confusion about what to do about using Black Cohash etc. I do own the book "Prescription for Nutritional Healing: The A-to-Z Guide to Supplements" (Prescription for Nutritional Healing: A-To-Z Guide to Supplements)
Phyllis A. Balch CNC (Author) and I actually have an earlier edition which was co-edited by her husband Dr. James Balch.

Many health food stores will have a copy of this and it's almost like an adjunct to the Bible or any other Holy Book...

Sooooo that's one of my books I have that has helped me sort through this, and I need to get back into studying it as it looks like I'm more seriously deeper into Menopause - although... it seems that in trying to treat myself for the vaginal dryness, it triggers my periods again. I want it all - the being available for pleasure with my husband with no pain to myself for vaginal dryness (coconut oil is the BEST lubricant!! whoo hooo!) and none of the muss and fuss of having a period!! I'm a selfish little brat, eh??

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3/17/12 9:18 P

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I guess I should update my post. I am presently not taking anything for my hot flashes. I have them, they are a nuisance, but the supplement I had been taking wasn't doing anything for me anymore....and kind of expensive....so I just quit. I had read that drinking a glass of soy milk every evening is also supposed to help. I haven't used this remedy enough to know if that will work for me, tho. I don't mind trying it, tho. You are right, different things work for different people. So, everything is an experiment.


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3/16/12 8:40 A

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I got some Black Cohosh from a Naturopath and it was the first good night's sleep I had had in years. However, within two days I had wild leg aches. Stopped taking Black Cohosh and the pains went away and the hot flashes returned. Hmmmm. Did some research and found that some herbal remedies can have "bad" batches. So, I tried a different brand and took a smaller amount and I still have power surges but not too sweaty - much more manageable. You need to listen to your own body. It may not work for you, but it may work for others.

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A good friend of mine said she couldn't take Black Cohosh because it upset her stomach. I took it (as a single ingredient supplement) and didn't notice anything at all.....no benefit, no nothing. I now take Estroven that is a blend of ingredients (with Black Cohosh being one of them) and the blend seems to be what works for me. Headaches? I had some doozies for a few weeks and decided to cut down on my coffee intake. The headaches have mercifully gone away.

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11/27/11 9:34 P

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I tried it briefly but it gave me headaches too.

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11/26/11 7:53 P

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I haven't heard much about its use. I would like to know more about it and possible side effects.

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11/25/11 12:20 A

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I personally will not use black cohosh - like everything it has side effects.
It can also cause problems if you are on B/P medication etc.

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11/23/11 9:18 P

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Black Cohosh.... caused headaches for me..... so stopped it after a week. Seems everything has side effects.

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11/23/11 9:05 P

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According to "Menopause Matters" by Julia Schlam Edelman
Copyright 2010

Black cohosh preparations are made from the underground stems of Cimicifuga racemosa. The plant is native to Northern American and was used by Native American for hundreds of years.

In 1989 the German Kommission E, a federal institute, approved the use of black cohosh for menopause-related symptoms.

Studies of black cohosh have only evaluated its short-term use, for six months or less.

There are many different preparations of black cohosh available, and they are not interchangeable. One preparation may be less effective than another , and side effects may differ.

Remifemin (TM) has a different preparation from 40 years ago, when the initial study of its effectiveness was done. At that time, a study showed the original preparation was effective, but that many not apply to the product in use today, with its different formulation.

Black Cohosh should not be taken at the same time as other hormone preparations.

The safety of its long-term use has not yet been established.

Black Cohosh may be harmful to the liver for certain people.

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