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GHK1962
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7/3/11 9:46 A

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I think a Beaker beenie dude is in order!

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7/2/11 11:31 A

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hey, i have some very cute beany babies--a bat, an anteater, a three-toed sloth, a couple of lobsters, a platypus (why purple, i dunno), a koala, a dragon...

beany babies are great...if you're sick of traditional stuffed animals, that is--i don't care about collecting, i just like my weird animals.

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well, i'm still trying to find a good deal on a naval architecture book--maybe next paycheck I can bid for one or something (just wish they'd knock the price down another $20, then I'd get it anyway!

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6/30/11 8:27 P

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Me too. Hehe.

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6/30/11 2:37 P

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I keep meaning to respond to this...but don't have a clue as to what I want to say. All I know is that whenever I read "beanie babies are creepy" I start to laugh!



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6/11/11 5:32 P

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Beanie babies are creepy!

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GHK1962
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6/11/11 12:11 P

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And you said this was out of your element. I suspect you know more than me on this.

At any rate, I think you are somewhat correct. When you dump the beanie babies out (I assume on the floor or the bed or the grassy yard)....and lay on it. It is like you are lying directly on the floor or bed or grassy yard.

Your body transmit a downward force on the beanie babies (we will assume lateral and transverse forces are not in play here...the perfect scenario....just like school problems!). In turn, the beanie babies transmits an equal and opposite force on you? I think more likely, they transfer the force to the substrate below you.

This is more the force type of F=(m)(a).

Now...if you had a WHOLE slew of beanie babies....enough that you could displace some beanie babies...then it would be floating if it kept you up. You have to have a pretty high stack of beanie babies to eliminate the effect of the floor on the beanie babies though.

Man this is a weird conversation / example. YES!!!!! Exactly the type of talk I excel in! hahahaha.

Good catch on the beanie babies thing though...the important thing to note is that the medium should be the basic thing working against the object (in this case, your body).

The thought of a sea of beanie babies scares me

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6/11/11 11:54 A

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So Greg. As much as I know about engineering and physics, I believe the beanie babies don't count that they have a Normal force. So if I get a big box of beanie babies dump it out and lay on it I am not floating like I would on water. I think the forces have different names. Am I totally off on this?

LV

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6/10/11 10:12 P

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Ok...first off, I am NOT a navy vessel engineer. I used to know some stuffs about structures...but I have not done such work in so long I believe I have forgotten over 99.99% of things. Why couldn’t you ask me about filling pot holes! Heh. Transportation engineer here.

Anway...let me see what I can let you know...

1) Good books and/or resources. Uhhh....strike one for me. Not sure...though I suspect a good browse on the internet will get you tons of stuffs.

2) With regards to how did they know how to make those big ol ships float...and what kinds of materials would work. On this I have some basic knowledge.

First off, an object will “float”, if it is lighter than the medium that it is in. In this case, your medium is water. (For our purposes, whenever I mention water, it could really be any medium....water, oil, air, beanie babies.) The object, whether it is an aircraft carrier, a cruise ship, a sampan, or a piece of wood, has the ability to float.

Huh? But an aircraft carrier is made of metal...and its way heavier than water. How does that work?

The principal at work here is the Archimedes Principal of Buoyancy. This basically says that if the buoyant force is greater than the mass of the object, then the object will float.

Now...I’m a bit rusty here...but I believe that buoyancy...or the buoyant force, is a result of the displacement that occurs when the object is placed in the water. Another way of saying that...the volume of water that is moved aside when the object is placed in the water. The more volume that is displaced, the greater the buoyant force.

So....example time. Let’s take a solid piece of steel plate. Say a 12” long x 12” wide x 1” thick piece.

If you put this flat on the water suface....glug, glug, glug...down that baby goes. No brainer there right?

The reason it sinks is because the mass of the piece of steel far exceeds the buoyant force of the water. The steel plate displaces only 144 cubic inches of water.

However, let’s take that same piece of steel....make is super thin....and make it into a 1440” long x 100” wide x 0.001” thick. When we place that on the water suface.....uhh...again, glug, glug, glug. The displacement is still the same at 144 cubic inches, so it will sink.

Now...let’s fold the thin sheet of metal into a bowl or hull shape. If we place the curved side on the water, it may actually float. This is because the displacement of water is greater. The displacement now consists of the steel itself...PLUS the volume of area within the bowl shape. So in other words, the volume of displacement is larger....which will give a larger buoyant force. However, the mass of the metal remains the same. So you get floating.

Another example.

Take an empty can of soda and cut the tin so it is flat. Place it on the water...sink-a-roo. However, take that same can, and instead of cutting it and making it flat, just plug the opening. It will float. If you leave the soda in, it will sink. Why? Because although you increased the volume of displacement by leaving it in a can shape...you have also added mass.

Ok...super long-winded response...not sure it helps or confuses. But there you go.

3) As a further addition to my long-windedness...there are many other aspects of design that are in consideration when designing certain naval vessels I am sure. I mean, these things can sometimes be floating cities! Besides the mechanics of physics, I am sure they have to take things like propulsion, electrical, static & dynamic loading, waste removal, and a bazillion other things into consideration!

Hmmm....again, I am soooo not a sea engineer....so take what I say with a grain of salt.

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6/8/11 5:37 P

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The only advice I have is youtube, they have lessons on everything :). Engineers where are you??

LV

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I'm hugely interested in architecture, specifically naval architecture, but to understand that, some basis in the basics would no doubt be helpful.

I've been volunteering with the restoration crew (and eventually as an occasional docent) on the Battleship Texas when I get the chance and I'd love more info to help me out with knowledge on ship construction and all that. I'm really interested in learning how they built things like battleships, that they knew they could design them in certain ways so that their shapes and weights wouldn't let them sink. Those types of things. I'm also jotting down ideas along similar lines for a possible thesis paper, only on civil war era ironclads instead.

Anyhoo, long story short, are there any texts or sources of information (other than a college degree--i'm tapped out) that you would recommend to give me a good basis/crash course on marine engineering and or naval architecture? Or anything you think i should try to learn about first and where to find the info (any college textbooks you recommend would totally be welcome--i'm all for that, too)?

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