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4/12/13 12:38 P

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I think we can assume that organic milk comes from farms that treat their animals kindly. Most organic farmers have a holistic attitude toward their animals - if they're organic farmers, they care about animals. As far as buying milk from local farms and being sure that just because it's a small family farm, there are several issues. One, BGH. Small farmers may use BGH. You'd have to ask about that. Two, are the calves taken away from their mothers? You'd have to ask about that. Three, I live in an area of 100-year family dairy farms, and some of them have established or bought large factory farms right amidst their family ancestral homes. So, you can't be sure that just because farming is a family heritage, they're necessarily real conscious about environmental issues or animal issues. For some, making money has become the bottom line. They're all really nice neighbors too. I often wonder if they have any concept of the environmental impact of factory farming. In my mind, the only thing I can really do is buy organic milk from the store. I'll go to Walmart if I have to. It's not as picturesque, but it seems like the most viable option for me. Especially if I don't want to step on toes. Unless I can find a diplomatic way to broach the subject, which is difficult since they're the farmers and I'm not.

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4/11/13 3:24 P

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Sorry. I didn't mean to step on any toes or be disrespectful in any way.

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4/11/13 2:23 P

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Thank you for your tips and ideas on alternatives. I also find it interesting to consider some alternatives just as their own food and to not try to compare it to real dairy. I never thought of it like that before.

I'm vegetarian and feel really great about that. And agree that our common link is that we are all harm-reducing to one extent or another so that's really good. :)

I think the posts are OK in general. I do sense some negative tone in saying to enjoy my "less evil eggs" but I will brush that aside as someone's personal view.

My exploration here is to find what "fits" for me-- to have a sound conscience and feel at a good level of what I am choosing. I am not super pro-vegan or anti-vegan or anything! ;) Just want to eat and live right in the way that is right for me, for animals-- a common goal here I'd think. :)

I am continuing to write to the milk board here in Canada and explore more.

Whether I stay vegetarian or go vegan or somewhere between, I feel good that I (and all of us) are making a positive difference! Thanks again for the tips and views. :)

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4/11/13 12:35 P

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I didn't notice a tone at all either. emoticon

I enjoy this team and appreciate all the tips and comments. Yes our team is for vegetarians AND vegans. Generally speaking, I am neither but lean toward the vegetarian and have many meals that are meatless. I use Almond and Rice Milk depending on what I am cooking and have recently added Coconut Milk as well. I rarely drink cow's milk but have been known to have a craving and will pick up a pocket sized portion to satisfy that. I LOVE, LOVE cheese but lean toward the goat or sheeps cheese mainly due to the lactose. I also enjoy making vegan cheese to keep in the freezer.

I so not eat or drink soy....and I do eat eggs.



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4/11/13 10:27 A

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I didn't notice a tone at all..... ???


I think the only way to get healthy milk from local farms is to buy it from a local dairy or buy it from a Natural Food Store that can guarantee its source. I would have to be guaranteed that the cow's were antibiotic and hormone free and ate grass their whole lives to even consider it for me or my family. Toxic levels of antibiotics and hormones in cow's milk are the reason I gave up milk and cheese. When I looked for alternate pure sources of cow's milk around me years ago when I first became concerned for my health. I couldn't afford the good stuff. Now I guess the better stuff is more available. But I have moved on, lost my taste for cheese and milk and gotten so much healthier (cholesterol wise) and lost weight without the milk fat in my diet.

You just need to do what you feel comfortable doing. This is a journey with many steps. Seems you are on the right track.





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4/11/13 8:36 A

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I feel the need to say something here.......... This team is for vegans AND vegetarians. While I'm a vegan I respect a vegetarians personal choices. I sense a judgmental tone in some of the posts being left on this team directed at (I think) the vegetarians. Let's show respect for each other and realize that our own personal choices are not what other people are going to adhere to/believe in.

If someone chooses to drink cows milk, eat dairy cheese and/or eggs that's their choice.

Edited by: SWEETYOUNGTHING at: 4/11/2013 (14:41)
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4/11/13 6:57 A

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Like R2C2NU, I stopped trying to mimic those foods. The only thing I may use is Cashew Cheese. www.ohsheglows.com Angela Liddon has a very good recipe for it. It is a sauce to add to dishes. Soy can have a high percentage of fat so should be used sparingly if you are trying to lose or maintain weight.

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4/11/13 6:55 A

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I make my own unsweetened soy milk yogurt. Here is the recipe: recipes.sparkpeople.com/recipe-detai
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I believe one can use a variety of nut milks and other 'milks'. The good bugs need something to live on such as lactose (animal milks) or a bit of added sugar. I'm still working on my recipe. Perhaps I'll find a way to make thickish yogurt without the agar agar which requires heating. The internet is loaded with information and recipes. If you must, one can also buy an unsweetened soy yogurt.

I know nothing about cheese alternatives. That sort of foodstuff doesn't fall into my realm of eating. Sure, eat your less evil eggs. It sounds like they are, for now, an essential part of your diet. Someday you might not want to have a part in the whole business while finding yourself not eating them much anymore anyway.

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4/11/13 5:43 A

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When I 'need' cheese for a vegan recipe I use Daiya brand. It's a bit pricey, however. I use soy milk one week, almond the next. The almond milk sold at the stores aren't really milk, however. I'm going to look into pressing my own almond milk. I'll see how that works out.


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4/11/13 1:32 A

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I started out looking for substitutes for all my favorite "normal" food. When I stopped trying to find a soy burger that tasted like a hamburger and just enjoy the food I was eating things changed. I don't miss the "normal" foods now. It's like the difference between moving away from something or moving toward something. (work still in progress) .I'm now mostly vegan until about 6:00 pm but I'm trying to get the end of the day more in line with the rest of the day. It has taken me 45 years to get to this point and the most positive changes have occurred in the last 5 years.

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4/11/13 1:13 A

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We've tried several cheeses and not been really thrilled with any of them, but I'm realizing that cheese is just a habit. After being on ETL for a while, I don't crave cheese at all, and I'm actually more interested in tasting my yummy food!! (My family isn't quite on board with this, but they've eaten cheeseless meatless pizza a few times now very happily)

So, what if there was NO good substitute? Could you remake your recipes without it?

-I've tried a few recipes that say nutritional yeast give things a 'cheesy' taste. So far, I'm not buying it, but I guess I could get used to it eventually.

-This week I'm going to try a few silk pies that use tofu (blended) to give the creamy thick texture

-Chia seeds can be used to make puddings

-Cashews are used in lots of dressings to give things a creamy taste.


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4/11/13 1:04 A

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A continuation of my milk question but with more info added...

So I looked at the website of the company which I eat my eggs from:
http://www.burnbraefarms.com/consumer/in
dex.htm

It's pretty cool, they have barn "tours" (virtual) and information. I'm not sure how they even put up a tour of the regular egg hens! Jammed up in cages. :( And think people will be OK with this? But that's a personal opinion.

I think the free-run/free-range hens seem OK? They get to run about and then just come to nesting boxes to lay their eggs and then run around again. I don't think I'd feel too bad eating these eggs. (I always have bought these eggs when buying eggs outright. Of course, I realize it is the normal eggs used in products.)

The milk thing is still confusing to me. After many videos, I also think small farm milk is OK (personal opinion). (The babies taken away thing is another topic to consider, I know. For now, I mean in terms of how the cows are treated.) BUT.... Canada gets its milk from 3 major suppliers. And those companies refer to their milk factories as... well, factories/plants.

I don't think the major milk distributors in Canada are exactly purchasing from small farm operations? So this leads me to ask: Is it true that I would have to buy specially labeled milk that indicates it's from a small farm to know it is from a small farm?

I think the major companies still factory farm to some extent, even in Canada??

I can do with soy/rice/almond/etc. milk. I'm thinking more in terms of milk *products* which can be difficult to "mimic"? Like how do you make vegan yogourt? Or vegan cheese? (I've tried Yves "cheese" and I can't hack that. Maybe there are better brands out there.)

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