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4/7/13 10:40 P

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I do know that canada does not allow bovine growth hormone to be used so the cows are better treated and have less low grade infections and other problems associated with it. Most cows here spend some time everyday outside. But I don/t eat cow meat, only bison.

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4/7/13 6:43 P

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Interesting.

Edited by: SWEETYOUNGTHING at: 4/7/2013 (18:46)
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4/7/13 6:32 P

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Cows on rangelands style dairy farms are treated reasonably well until their milk production declines, in which case it becomes more profitable to sell them for slaughter and replace them with younger animals. In end dairy cows end up as hamburger just like any other cattle.
I respect your willingness to have a think about what's going on.
Plenty of general background at
www.notmilk.com
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4/7/13 4:08 P

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Thank you for your messages! :) And for your openness on thinking people can choose when they think fits them. :)

I'm not really trying to convince myself one way or the other on veganism. I'm just trying to honestly explore it. I wouldn't want to support products which cause suffering. I also want to be honest about where the milk is coming from. Something to explore a bit more I guess. lol

Great for going veg too! :)

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4/7/13 3:36 P

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As far as I can tell, the cows that "live" on dairy farms in our community are treated well. They are, after all, the farmers proverbial bread and butter. They are not going to abuse something that provides them with a roof over their heads.

I was a meat eater up until a year ago. Then I transitioned into vegetarianism (admittedly ate a VERY small amount of meat on occasion). I really thought I'd miss eggs and cheese - milk not so much. Turns out I don't miss them at all, but that's me. Everyone has to make life choices that they are comfortable with. You know, if I happen to eat something that has milk - or any dairy product in it - I don't freak out and I'd never be rude to a hostess that served me something they thought was vegan when it wasn't. (I always offer to bring my own food so as not to be an imposition) Stuff happens. I think the choice of vegetarian is great - live your life; be happy emoticon

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4/7/13 3:21 P

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Thank you for your link. :) Very powerful video.

I agree with the part of milk being "bad" because of how the baby cows are taken away from their Mums.

What I am further wondering about is the treatment of the cows. I mean the cows that aren't on factory farms where they are cooped up.

I found a video of a Saskatchewan farm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e84IKZteShI

The baby cow issue would still exist. Does this farm look like it treats the adult cows "OK"?

More than anything, I used to be vegan for 2 years. And everyone was saying how in Canada (and probably smaller areas in the USA), cows get to roam around so it's not so bad.

I am considering being vegan again though.

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4/7/13 2:48 P

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Hi Kitty - welcome. When you can, you may want to watch this video on YouTube www.youtube.com/watch?v=g56DGkc2T78

Don't worry - it's not animals getting slaughtered but accurately portrays just one ugly fact about the milk industry. My husband is a meat eater. His family has a dairy farm background. We live in the middle of farm land in the Amish country of PA. I respect the hard work our local farmers do each and every day but personally can no longer ignore what I consider some cruelties of dairy farming.

My family is a combination of meat eaters, vegetarians and vegans (I'm a vegan myself). I respect everyone's individual choices but it's myself that I have to answer to at the end of the day. We all have to walk our own roads. Sorry! I'm rambling.

Again, welcome emoticon

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4/7/13 1:22 P

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Hi to everyone :)

For background, I'm vegetarian but not vegan, although I have been reading a lot about veganism lately.

I've always had this question about the milk industry (not meant as confrontational btw):

I realize factory farming is HORRIBLE and I know in the states, much of milk production is done this way.

I do wonder if milk production is so "bad" in Canada for independent farmers? I mean, where you see cows wandering around in huge fields and NOT locked up in stalls, etc.

I don't want to be ignorant. I am asking so I can learn. ;)

Thanks for any input!

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