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10/15/12 9:57 P

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Misunderstandings are way too easy to come by online. Glad we are all on the same page.
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10/15/12 6:37 P

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Okay, I misunderstood you there. I do agree with that. I only mentioned them together to give an example of how easy it is to create a complete protein in a meal.

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10/15/12 1:21 P

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It's not that you don't need all the essential (i.e. can't be synthesized by the human body) amino acids, it's that the requirement of combining proteins at a single meal is a myth. As long as they are, cumulatively, part of your regular diet, you are safe. For instance, oatmeal at breakfast and bean soup at dinner. Digesting them together isn't necessary, you just need enough available in your bloodstream.

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10/15/12 12:03 A

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I understand where you two are coming from but really all you have are some dates, names, and peoples opinions. You aren't going by research journals, and if you think about it they're all the same chemical structure and we already know these four amino acids form a complete protein no matter the food source. So if you say it doesn't then you're saying these four amino acids do not form into a complete protein which wouldn't make sense? So if you think about it, unless there is some complication in the digestion process, it makes perfect sense.

The new 2012 nutrition textbooks, which is required to have for anyone majoring in nutrition like myself, clearly speaks on the subject and backs it completely. But, I also understand that my field of study is ever changing as new information is found all the time, but like I said, if you think about it, it does make sense. I will go with my textbook and my degree study over studies not researched enough to be published in a research journal. Further more, the research journal I read said that it wasn't impossible, but that it wasn't necessary for the vegetarian diet. (http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/105/2
5/e197.full "Plant Foods Have a Complete Amino Acid Composition by John McDougall, MD")

Although nuts are a great way to get the required protein, that are also high in fat, so basing the majority of your protein needs on nut consumption is not recommended because while it is a great source of protein you should use it to replace the saturated and trans fat from your diet with monounsaturated fat. And eating too much fat, even the good kind, is bad. :0)

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10/13/12 9:29 A

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Yes, Diet for a Small Planet by Frances Moore Lappe was my intro to vegetarianism, too. And you're right, PETALIA, the FDA & Lappe both reversed their findings on protein combining and admitted it was unnecessary.

There are many, many vegan and vegetarian foods that are high in protein. Nuts, seeds, beans, legumes, even broccoli. Although protein powder is not necessary if veg'ns are paying attention to their food choices, I personally do use one most days. I prefer the Garden of Life RAW protein, which is made 100% from sprouted seeds that are dehydrated then ground. It is 17 grams of protein per serving.

Whether or not to use a protein powder is a personal choice... not a necessity. I like to start my day with a protein/fruit smoothie and find it very convenient. I also take some joy in the face that my breakfast is always 100% raw and full of enzymes. :D

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10/12/12 9:59 P

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"Protein combining (also protein complementing) is the theory that vegetarians, particularly vegans, must eat certain complementary foods like beans and rice together in the same meal, so that plant foods with incomplete essential amino acid content combine to form a complete protein, meeting all amino acid requirements for human growth and maintenance.

The theory was initially promoted in Frances Moore Lappé's 1971 bestseller Diet for a Small Planet. The American National Research Council and the American Dietetic Association (ADA) soon picked it up, cautioning vegetarians to be sure to combine their proteins.[1] Later, the ADA reversed itself in its 1988 position paper on vegetarianism..."

Wikipedia, Protein Combining, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_combin
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I'm quite sure that Frances Moore Lappé said she was wrong about the complimentary protein idea. I was raised eating that way and then the notion was tossed out the window. Hmm... However, there are a few plant-based complete proteins. Hemp is one of them. Hemp seeds and hemp powder are available. Spirulina is another. Fermented soy products such as tempeh, natto, and miso are also complete proteins. Quinoa is a complete protein. Chia seeds, too. I bet there are others but those are the ones that I know of and use.

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10/12/12 4:56 P

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You don't need protein powders to get the needed amounts of protein. The difference between the protein in meat and the protein in a vegetarian diet is that the protein in meat is a complete protein, which means that is has all four amino acids. (Isoleucine, lysine, methionine, and tryptophan) In non-meat products, the protein is incomplete, meaning a food item only has half of the amino acids. However, you can combine two different foods to get all four amino acids, thus making a complete protein. It's not as hard as you may think, it just takes a little time and a bit more planning. One of my favorite meals is blackbeans and brown rice. Legumes (beans) are almost always good sources of Isoleucine and Lysine while grains are great sources for methionine and tryptophan. Haveing both gives you a complete protein. :0)

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10/12/12 9:09 A

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are you looking for a meal replacement diet thing, because like the others have said there is no need for extra protein. if you want to do this and are going vegan stay away from the whey protein that somebody else suggested. it's vegetarian but not vegan

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10/11/12 11:13 P

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I agree that you can get the protein you need from whole food. However, having been there, I understand that you may need some help over the transition.

I also sometimes use a little pumpkin or hemp protein powder or the vega products more the other (micro)nutrients they provide...which you can also get from whole food, but which I struggle with more than protein. I like all of them, though the hemp is a little gritty.

A note on whey protein, if you're going vegan, I believe it is made from dairy.

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10/11/12 3:18 P

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I second the Vega endorsement. I've tried all the flavors of Vega One except French Vanilla (it's new), and they're all good. Yes, it's true that protein supplementation isn't truly necessary (even if you don't meet "recommended" amounts -- you won't die as long as at least 10% or more of your calories come from protein emoticon ) but I like to support companies and individuals like Brendan Brazier, who promote active, plant-based lifestyles in an inclusive, empowering (read: not scary, guilt-trippy, and high-pressure) way. Also, if you like to do green smoothies, that's basically what Vega One is, but in powder form -- and at less than $2 a serving even at regular price, it's cost-effective.

If you're looking for a straight-up protein powder, rather than a complete liquid-ish meal, hemp is good because it has a lot of fiber in addition to the protein. Other popular vegan protein powders like soy and pea don't have very much, and my preference is always for more fiber (as long as it's not an isolated or synthetic source like inulin, which has become a popular ingredient in high-fiber cereal and bars, and is often implicated in the GI issues that many people experience when they try to increase fiber.)

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10/11/12 3:07 P

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Thanks, for your answers!

First of all, the reason I am looking for protein powder is that I have recently had some difficulty reaching the Spark recommended protein level by just a little bit. I am thinking it would be nice to have an easy back up if I am in a hurry or or add to shakes and other things. I know there are tons of plant-based protein sources, but I just would like a back up.

And, Bonidale, thanks for your suggestions. I love chocolate. =)

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Two years ago, I was cooking from a cookbook that balanced the proteins, carbs, and fats at a particular ratio. They had some great smoothie recipes that called for protein powder. They recommended, and I liked, Bioplex Pure WPI Whey Protein Isolate, Natural. It is lactose & fat free and has no artificial sweeteners or flavors. In fact, the natural has no flavors or sweeteners. It is just pure whey protein isolate.

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10/11/12 2:48 P

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Vega Sport or Whole Food Optimum by Sequel Naturals are good protein powders and Sun Warrior Warrior Blend Raw Protein in Vanilla or Chocolate is a good one too, but they are both expensive. Having said that, they last for a long time. I use them in a recovery drink after exercise. However, plants have protein and IMVegan is right, you don't need to supplement.

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Why do you feel the need to supplement protein? Eating a healthy diet of veggies, whole grains, beans and other legumes, and fruits will get you plenty of protein without the need to add through powders of any sort. Even body builders and athletes get plenty of protein through whole foods because the more calories they burn the more protein they automatically eat. Here is a great article from PCRM.org (Cornell University) pcrm.org/search/?cid=251

(I answered this way instead of directly answering your question because this is the most common question among new vegetarians and vegans. Newbees think that they cannot get any protein by eating plant based foods. They are under the mistaken belief that animal sources are the only sources of protein and that veggies don't contain protein at all.But we who have lived as healthy plant based eaters for a while, know that veggies have lots of protein in them. :D )

If you still want to know about powders, maybe someone else who uses them will answer. 'Cause I don't know.

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I am transitioning to a plant-based diet that will lean towards veganism. I am interested in purchasing a protein powder to supplement my diet. I looked online and there are SO MANY choices. I am looking for something fairly inexpensive with good supplements.

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