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7/30/12 1:23 P

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I got sick a few years ago; You should be glad I don't elaborate but something was seriously wrong downstairs. Turned out I had diverticulitis. I had been a vegetarian for 30 years and vegetarians aren't supposed to get diverticulitis I told my doctor. He said diverticulitis is a lot less common in vegetarians but anyone can get it. Nothing is a panacea; all we can do is slide the odds more in our favor out more out of our favor. If Ms. McCartney said that than her expectations were unreasonable.

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7/30/12 10:51 A

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I have often heard the same type of silly comment about exercise using James Fixx as an example because the famous runner died suddenly of heart disease.

We can each only do what we can do to stay as healthy as possible but like they say nothing is certain but death and taxes.

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7/30/12 10:32 A

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LM died of breast cancer, and there's only so much that diet can do. Genetics plays a big part in many cancers. In any event a single case does not prove a rule. Unfortunately I've heard this crap logic from our end too, such as how the founder of Ben & Jerry's, Ben Cohen, had to have a heart bypass due to a life of eating ice cream.
There are countless medical studies now that show vegan diets being positively correlated with excellent health outcomes. I'm pretty happy with that, whatever Linda McCartney allegedly said or didn't.

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7/30/12 2:11 A

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Lisa, I had a much similar experience behind a cattle truck on the road one day..nowhere near as gross but it was enough to at that point get me to stop eating beef , that was my first step to becoming vegetarian. If only more people could really see what happens to those animals and the meat and products made from them...they would be ill...I know I am every time I read a new fact I didn't know. Chickens were a real big one for me....I tell my friends to just not eat chicken now because of the horrible things they feed the chickens that end up in the meat like arsenic....EEEWWWWW!!!

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7/30/12 1:44 A

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Gail, I had to laugh at the Singer quote. I tend to stop eating meat in the summers, but what has pushed me closer to vegan this year was the time we got stuck behind a poultry truck on the way to work.

I wasn't really paying attention to what was in front of us, and how they were packed.... until the light turned red and suddenly all this green slime was sloshing off the back of the truck. The stoplight gave me the chance to really look. At the slime. Dripping down from each layer, onto the ones below. It hit me on every level. Definitely the health of the chickens.... But also concern for the health of the environment, with all that sludge trailing everywhere. And the health of the meat and the eggs, with so many of the birds bathing in the sludge.

Whatever changes I'm making to my diet, it's not for *my* health.

As far as Lynda McCartney, I've never heard her used as an excuse. But I have an example closer to home.... When I was a kid back in the 70s, my dad used to read the magazine "Organic Gardening". We did compost when compost wasn't cool. He baked bread. Made yogurt. I remember him ranting about the claims that something as artificial as margarine was healthier than butter.... And yet, he died of stomach cancer at age 44. But I don't blame the organic veggies (actually, I wish I had tried to learn more, instead of trying to get out of helping in the garden) or the butter. If it was food related, I'm sure it had much more to do with the amount of coffee he drank.

Thanks for the interesting topic.

Lisa

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7/30/12 1:35 A

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From everything I know with working with those that were around Linda, this would have never been anything she would have ever said. I don't think her children, James especially who was extremely close to her would have kept up the lifestyle if his mother truly felt that way at the end. Food cannot overcome genetics and environmental causes of disease. Food may help us life better lives, healthier lives overall but in the end it's all up to a higher power....when and how we go....But I will use Linda McCartney as an EXCUSE to be aware of the cruelty to all living things, including humans. And I honestly believe that eating that polluted meat etc...is another form of cruelty people subject themselves to.

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7/30/12 12:24 A

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Terry, I think you ask some of the most interesting questions! You sent me on a hunt (sorry for the bad joke!) for the truth.

Unfortunately, any diet cannot guarantee cancer prevention. But it strikes me as VERY sad and mean-spirited to link this vegetarian advocate fighting a battle with cancer with a reason to eat meat. Everything I found hinted at this as a terrible untruth with no indication that she ever said anything remotely like it. I found excerpts from a chapter (I think it's from Linda McCartney "The Biography") that contradicts the rumor and actually shows Linda was concerned her diagnosis might be used in negative ways and make people cynical about staying vegetarian.
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While searching, I also found this quote attributed to Isaac Bashevis Singer that might come in handy the next time you hear the inaccurate McCartney statement, "I did not become a vegetarian for my health, I did it for the health of the chickens."

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7/30/12 12:14 A

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I don't know if she said that or if she had cancer but veganism isn't a cure all but some people taut it as such. Meat eaters throw it up in the vegans face when ever they get sick. I have heard that same justification for smoking. My grand father smoked a box of cigars a day and lived to be 90, it won't hurt me. Just ignore it

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7/29/12 11:10 P

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I've been wanting for a long time to ask you guys a question. When I mention being vegan and meat eaters get defensive, they often repeat this same line:

"Lynda McCartney was vegan and she got cancer anyway! She even said that she had wished she had just eaten whatever she wanted, since being vegan did not help her from getting ill."

I suspect this is totally a rumor and never happened. Has anyone else ever heard this as an excuse to remain a meat eater? Is there any truth to it that Lynda actually said this?


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