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GENTLEVIKING
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3/19/12 8:22 P

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"Are there any farmers markets nearby you? Or any organic farms? Maybe you could purchase organic veggies direct from a local farm or even a neighbor, if anyone is growing them :)"

Hi CEC, Yes, we have farmers markets, but not during this time of year...just during "the growing season", which will be approx. June to October. But thanks for a great idea, just the same!



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I like the variety of opinions here! I would say, if all you can get is conventional kale, it will still have some nutrients. Just be sure to wash it really well :D

Green powders are fantastic! My brother in law recommends Vitamineral Green. It can be kind of spendy, but would be worth it!

Are there any farmers markets nearby you? Or any organic farms? Maybe you could purchase organic veggies direct from a local farm or even a neighbor, if anyone is growing them :)

Best of luck!

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3/19/12 4:06 P

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Will, your doctor and Dr. Oz agree on this--but I think that's a great way to remember it that I had not heard before: that veggies that tear up easily when washed are the worst for toxins. Makes sense to me! Thanks for that insight!

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3/19/12 4:01 P

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IM, I just checked out your nifty "in the bag" kale garden! That's a pretty cool idea! And the kale looks so healthy! Makes me want to grow something right away (but still not warm enough to plant outdoors just yet, here. But I do have some seeds planted indoors to hopefully be moved outdoors in a few weeks).

Thanks for sharing that with me (us)!

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3/19/12 3:50 P

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Oh, just an after thought about what we are discussing:

The organic debate will continue on until some real world solutions are found. For instance, one of my brothers-in-law is actually an agricultural scientist, and he says that the non-organic dangers are being stretched and that going organic (for the food industry) is honestly not a realistic option (his opinion, not mine, just so we are clear! ha!)

But then I hear a news report on the world news just a few nights ago about how they are now learning that brown rice has a lot of arsenic in it! Brown rice!!! (White rice has less of it in it). So the rice they've been pushing as healthier, may indeed be less healthy for us!

One automatically asks, "Where did the arsenic come from???" Well, turns out it's from our "poisoned earth"! Aresenic was used as pesiticide many years ago before it was outlawed...but it still remains in the earth and those innocent rice plants are drawing the arsenic up from the ground and into the rice!

So that does seem like a good arguement against pesticides, doesn't it! Some types of it remains in the ground and poison's our food! (Or at least "taints" it.) So if a major news network is reporting this, it shows that this is becoming a real concern for all of us.

The newsman said the scientist are saying we should continue to eat brown rice for the health benefits...but I'm not so sure. Maybe I'll switch back to white rice...which I like better anyway!

So even though the debate rages on...it looks like even non-organic, non-vegan people are beginning to become concerned with what's happening to our food.

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3/19/12 3:47 P

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Terry it is great that you are going to grow your own veggies this year. One thing you can do is plant extra greens and buy a small freezer and freeze organic veggies so you can have them year round. Veggies are very easy to freeze. You just blanch, drain and put in zip lock bags. (squeeze out the air) When I freeze blanched greens, I spin them in my salad spinner before I freeze them. This even works for fresh herbs. (tomatoes are best canned. but I have no problem finding organic canned tomatoes. I don't know about where you live.)


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Wow, I got so many reply's I can't respond to them all, other than to say I appretiate each and every one of them. And I'm honestly glad that I recieved different opinions and views on the subject from all of you, because this is what I wanted. (I believe in making a decision using a variety of opinions and information, rather than basing my opinion on just one person's opinion.)

I did find it very interesting what you said, Mike, about Victoria Boutencos being healed from illness by using non-organic and non-raw foods at one point. That says something, right there, and needs to be noted. Perhaps it's not the safest route to go...but like you said, we all have to do the best we are able to do (and also the best we can do in the areas we live in.)

IMvegan, I'll check out your picks as soon as I post this---I'm eager to see what you grew!!! I live in Virginia, by the way. And no, I can't find organic frozen veggies or fruits here, yet--they just are not sold here. Mostly the only organic items the grocery's are selling here now are processed veggie meats and cheeses, pizzas, tofu...that sort of thing. Not much produce at all is organic here. The "organic movement" is being very slow about reaching this area (which is odd, since this is the country!)

I will be growing an organic garden this spring and summer (sorry I failed to mention that). But, of course, that doesn't help one in the winter or right now. We still have to rely on grocery stores in my area for produce and fresh veggies at this time of the year.

I'm excited about my garden! Some of it will be planted in the ground in a small area I have that I'm converting to garden space, and the rest will be in container gardens. I plan to try a techinique of incorporating veggies with a few flowers (to both keep off pests and it just plain looks pretty!)

I do appretiate very much all the reply's and I will consider each and every one of them! Wish I could offer to pay you for all this info...but maybe I can pay ya back someday by providing info on a topic you might need some quick info on!

I keep forgetting about organic green powders! That is a good suggestion for someone like me in my present situation. Thanks, Karen! I already have a website saved on my computer that sells organic barley grass powder...so I will be ordering from them, soon!

Thanks for all the info, everyone! Much appretiated, as always!!!



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3/19/12 1:47 P

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Hi I read a different take on organic is Victoria Boutencos 12 steps to raw. She pointed out that the sprays on the plants are not the only danger, they also kill the life in the soil so the plants don't have all the nutrients they need to be healthy so the organic matter don't decompose AS it should and the plant isn't feed. Can non organic heal sure it is better than nothing. Also in one of Boutenkos books she mentioned that when they were healed they were not eating organic raw. You have to make the best of what you got.

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3/19/12 11:27 A

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I expect to be branded a heretic, but here goes --

Non-organic kale still has more nutrients than organic romaine lettuce. In your shoes, I would buy the non-organic kale until I could get organic or grow my own.



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IMVEGAN
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Do you have access to frozen organic greens? I know that in my area I can get them from most grocery stores. These items are flash frozen. They are presteamed a little first. But they would work in smoothies and juices if you thaw them. I use frozen veggies and fruits all of the time.

Growing your own works well for greens. Where do you live? It is very easy to grow lettuces and greens. Last year I just bought bags of garden soil mix, cut big X's in the top. (3 of them), poked holes in the bottoms of the bags for drainage and planted my collards, kale, etc. right in the bags. I tossed the bags into my shaded garden next to my hostas. We have had such a mild winter here in Cleveland this year that my last years kale and collards are still growing! I need to pick some and eat them. I wish I could post a photo for you to see them.

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Did you think about growing an organic garden? Even if your not very good with plants it's really not that hard to grow a garden. I don't know if you have any land or not that would make it easier if you did but if you don't there's always community gardens. I mean I live in a apartment building in a city it's not that hard to get organics but it's expensive and they aren't local. If you start a organic garden all you need to do is buy the seeds the first year and save your seeds from then on. There is a big difference in organics and GMO's hers a few links:

http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/06/27/5-reasons-not-to-eat-gm-foods/
http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/Home/index.cfm
http://www.wanttoknow.info/deception10pg

seeds of deception is probably your best bet just explore the web site you'll find everything you need to know about GMO's from them (2nd link). But I would consider starting a garden and if you do I would really suggest using SEEDS OF CHANGE to get your first seeds from, they definitely have the best seeds. Almost every seed I got from them came up and they are Organic GMO free. I hope this helps I understand not everyone can garden especially if they can't get out of the house but there is also indoor gardens but I don't think they work as well and it's pretty expensive. Not only would you be sustaining yourself on your organics but also growing local. Hope this helps have a good day. emoticon



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All the raw gurus and resources AND my ND/MD state the following: Greens especially NEED to be organic. There's nothing protecting the leaves from the pesticides, herbicides, fungicides etc. Also organic is more than twice as much in nutrient dense goodies than commercially grown. BUT sellers of produce wash state that their product will remove the crud from the greens. I don't buy that line of thought, but it's hopefull.
I would also purchase some organic superfood green powders via the internet if necessary. The best ones to get what you want is: Chlorella, Spirulina, and Klamath Lakes Blue-Green Algae.

Also, grow some organic sprouts from organic seeds in organic soil in your home. When the season allows it grow your own greens. Again using organic seeds in organic soil which is readily available.

You do have options. I would walk in and talk to the stores myself. A letter is too passive. I'd follow up in a letter naming specific people you talked to. I'd talk loud enough for others to hear. THEN they would listen. THEN they would make changes because others would also ask.

Passive actions do not make change happen. You need to put some effort into it. And I know how you enjoy efforting. LOL If you want something to happen you do need to make some effort.

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Oh, also, if you're going to use it in a shake or smoothie, it's okay if it falls apart when you wash it. You're just going to smash it up in the blender or food processor anyway. So, I say don't worry if it isn't organic.

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My doctor and his wife have been a great team. He supports a plant based diet and she is a certified nutritionist and registered dietician. They say that only certain types of fruits and vegetables benefit from the organic label,those that are not easy to wash without damaging them (i.e., broccoli, strawberries.cauliflower, etc). If you can rub it and wash it, then you don't need to get organic. The extra money you pay isn't worth it.

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I hope you guys and gals can help me with this one. Many of you are eating lots of organic veggie food to lose weight...but some are using it for more serious reasons, such as to guard or even to repair your health. Maybe cancer or heart disease runs in your family, so you want to be getting lots of organic anti-oxident foods in your diet. Maybe you eat lots of veggies or drink lots of carrot juice or drink green smoothies for the health benefits.

I'm one of those who has become vegan to not only lose weight, but to fight illness (or rather, protect my body from illness by filling it with lots of anti-oxidents.)

But here in lies the problem: organic food is barely available in the area where I live. I live in the country, and there's no Whole Foods close enough for me to go there weekly (or even monthly). We have three "regular" grocery stores and in all three of these stores the ONLY organic greens they sell is organic Romaine lettuce. None of their kale (which has the most anti-oxidents) is organic, and most healthy smoothies or juicing calls for organic kale. This probably has a lot to do with something about Romaine being the only organic veggie available to this area, since all the stores only carry that.

I have written these stores asking them to stock their shelves with organic foods...but my letters seem to get no responce other than the generic note that says "we'll keep your suggestions in mind". It's also possible that organic products just are not available yet here for stores of this area

So my question is: do you think its safe to make my juices and smoothies from non-organic kale? Or should I only use Romaine lettuce, since it's the only green sold here that's organic? (Keep in mind Romaine lettuce has nowhere near the anti-oxidents that Kale does...but it is, at least, alkaline (good for the acid/alkaline balance of a healthy body.)

If one does use non-organic kale, do you think it could be possible that the anti-oxident effects are enough to overcome the chemicals on it?

I want to do my best, but when a person does not have the "wood" to build the fire, then one has to do the best he can with what he has available to him. What are your thoughts on this? I feel like I need help with this, as I don't want to be taking in a lot of non-organic Kale if it's gonna do more damage than help!

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