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3/16/12 11:09 A

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As far as my grocery budget goes, plan on $25/pp/wk, and the bulk of what you buy should be $1/lb or less: Potatoes, carrots in 5lb bag, onions, dried lentils/beans, oats, rice, and seasonal or manager's special items+ staples (lettuce/spinach and tomatoes no matter the price for my family, baking powder and other long-lasting staples). Then add in some "nice" things like nuts, soy milk, bag cereal, etc. Then, if you have any money leftover (usually leftovers from 2-3wks combined b/c in my system they rollover) you buy SUPAH COOL stuff like a big box of boca burgers, oyster mushrooms, purple potatoes from the farmer's market, tortilla chips and salsa, etc. Just think that MOST of your cart should be $1/lb or less. The first few weeks of shopping will take longer. You'll put stuff in your cart, put it back, rethink about cooking it yourself, and use a calculator a lot.

We're vegan seasonally based on my husband's religious beliefs. During our vegan times (Lent is one.), this budget is actually a LOT easier. Cheese and meat def in the SUPAH COOL price category.

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2/29/12 4:31 P

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The best way I influenced others around me was quietly modeling my choices in a non-confrontational, non-judgmental way.

I offered to cook meat twice a week and they could eat off it while enjoying meatless meals every other night with it.

My family soon discovered they didn't like how they felt after eating meat/animal-based food like they did after eating plant-based and started asking me to make less animal-based food dishes as a result.

They came to their own preferences from experimentation and watching the benefits I enjoy from it without fanfare.

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2/29/12 4:30 P

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I agree 100% with Fragilewriter. Don't get people's back up about their personal life choices/preferences by touting superiority with your own.

Make really tasty meatless options and let them decide for themselves what they want to eat.

They will notice and you can more positively influence this way than harping/insulting them.

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2/29/12 4:27 P

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The best way I influenced others around me was quietly modeling my choices in a non-confrontational, non-judgmental way.

I offered to cook meat twice a week and they could eat off it while enjoying meatless meals every other night with it.

My family soon discovered they didn't like how they felt after eating meat/animal-based food like they did after eating plant-based and started asking me to make less animal-based food dishes as a result.

They came to their own preferences from experimentation and watching the benefits I enjoy from it without fanfare.

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2/29/12 1:23 P

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I don't know why I didn't think of buying less meat, duh! We only need to buy it for one person instead of two.

I want to read the China Study (it's on my list at the library). I recently watched Forks Over Knives too.

Mac Danzig is a UFC fighter who is very fit and also Vegan. Its nice to see athletes out there with the same beliefs.

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2/29/12 12:53 P

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Once you stop buying meat for you, you'll have enough money to buy at least three times that size of fruits and veggies. They're much cheaper. No need to increase the budget.

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2/28/12 11:01 P

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The reason we become vegitairian is to eat more fruits and veggies, but because everyone is sooo use to eating meat with alittle vegies they are shocked when someone is a veggie.

In the the Engine 2 Diet book (p. 36) talks about about Tony Gonzalez a football player (used to be on the Kansas City Chiefs..big fan here) being a Vegan after reading the book called China Study.


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2/28/12 5:27 P

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don't worry about protein. according to the world health org people need 4.5% of calories to be protein, unless pregnant then it's 6% the US gov said all people should get 6%. the average American gets 20%. a potato is about 4% protein

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2/28/12 5:22 P

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Imvegan- thanks for the link....I am surprised the potatoes and salad would be enough for dinner, but will definitely try it.

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2/28/12 5:18 P

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1. I almost never talk about the way I eat. I just don't make it an issue for anyone. It's like I don't talk about never drinking beer, 'cuz it makes me fart.
2. When we are with others, and if my food choices come up, I plainly affirm that I will catch up the difference, and not expect others to take care of me.
3. I still make really good meat foods for Hubby and sons.
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4. I make totally rockin' veg options that they beg to have a little of with their meat.
Nobody feels threatened because I never get sanctimonious, but, following in my footsteps gets them great grub. Little by little, they are catching Vegetarianism (I love Marion's reference to this).
So, to answer the question, they don't support me, not one bit, I don't expect them to. But as the main cook, I try to support them with healthy food options.

And BTW, with less meat on the grocery bill, you budget should go down, not up!


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2/28/12 4:34 P

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When I switched to being a vegan my husband and kids would not eat anything I was eating because it was vegan - like they could catch veganism from the food. I would just pull out my portion and make it vegan and make theirs how they like it and eventually the teasing stopped. Now after just quietly doing it this way my husband has decided to cut all red meat and pork out from his diet and will even eat vegan a couple of times a week along with me. I think if I just keep doing what I am doing he will slowly move over to being a vegan. either way I feel so much better eating this way I am not going to go back to the old way of eating.

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2/28/12 4:17 P

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Try looking at the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine's website. PCRM.org. They have well researched articles. Plus, the book by Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease," has well researched reasons why eating a more vegetable based diet is more healthy for everyone.

Actually potatoes and a salad is a complete meal and contains all of the protein you need.

If you buy less meat, you will have money in the budget to purchase the inexpensive items that you need to round out your meals. For example, if you add another veggie plus some flavored legumes of some kind to your potatoes and salad, you will have a wonderful meal for yourself.

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2/28/12 3:45 P

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I really don't mind people ridiculing me for my choices because I believe in my choices. Another thing my husband says is it's natural to eat meat because our ancestors did. I am doing my fair amount of research on why to be vegetarian and also why humans eat meat. I've been struggling with the meat research though....I am only finding theories.

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2/28/12 3:40 P

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Wow tons of good info! Thank you so much! I have thought about taking my serving before adding the meat to dishes. I am worried if I do that I will not get the right protein without buying other items like bean and lentils. I know they are very cheap in bulk, so I might try to get a small amount at first just to try it. Also, part of it is just meal planning in general because right now we would have like grilled chicken with a salad and potatoes. Just a salad and potatoes isn't enough for dinner.

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2/28/12 2:58 P

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Here is a very nice article that addresses a lack of support from friends and family:

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2/28/12 2:57 P

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It was a pain, but I made two versions of dinner. Meat for my husband, analog or "meatless loaf" etc. Made stir-fries and added meat to his and baked/marinated tofu to mine. Marinara sauce on spagetti, meatballs to his. Cashew cheez on my macaroni, real cheese on his. Lots of salads. The faux meats are expensive but they can be made to go a long way.

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2/28/12 2:56 P

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What I did with becoming a vegan is to buy greens and a little more fruit. Tell your hubby that you want to eat more salads, and greens are cheap! Then, little by little you add in other things. Im a very simple eater, mainly greens, smoothies with greens + fruit, and a few bites of beans at times. Let him do his meat thing, and you do yours....works for me!

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2/28/12 2:55 P

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Also, I presume that you have other things besides meat,,like your side dishes, potatoes, grains, veggies, etc. The only difference between your meals and his is that he is eating meat and you are not. For instance, if you have spaghetti, dip out your sauce before adding meat. Add another veggie dish to replace your lack of meat. Also, visit the Vegetarian Resource Group for food ideas and articles on this topic. www.vrg.org

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2/28/12 2:51 P

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In my case as is the case for many that I know, family support didn't come until after embarking on this journey alone for a very long time. You can get support here and I encourage you to be positive and have a good outlook for your family support. But if your situation is like others, you won't likely get that support without a lot of riddicule. It's a common reaction.

Just have perserverance and dedication and try to gradually get your husband to try some things with you. Maybe one thing at a time with his meat dishes to start. Once he sees how tasty a vegetarian dish can be and how dedicated you are, maybe he will be persuaded.

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2/28/12 2:29 P

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I am not a vegetarian yet, but would love to be. My husband and I have very different views on meat eating and it's been tough to gain his support. What tips do you have for gaining support? He refuses to give up meat, which I don't expect him to, but his main argument is: We have a set grocery budget which already includes buying meats (because most our meals are based around that) and I want to change it and add more cost to the grocery bill....any ideas would help thanks!

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