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Thanks, Nicole! I appreciate the book recommendations and I will check into those! Cool that a Sparks editor took the time to help me out, too! emoticon

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Right now I'm out of work, but I do believe that when a person is working and gets so busy that they don't have time to be perfect with their diet, those green powders could prove beneficial--so I appreciate the info you gave me on them.

And I know that some of them are said to be good for making ones body more alkaline (which many believe helps reduce the risk of cancer). Since cancer is in my family, this is something I think about too.

Homemade vegetable juice is probably the best juice at making our body's more alkaline, but I do know of one lady (Doctor Laurianne Day) who believes her healing from cancer really seemed to "jump start" when she added a green protein to her diet, so it's something to consider.

As always, thanks for the info! You folks are helping me so much!

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2/28/10 2:08 P

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It's good to meet a fellow male vegan. Your information on how the body appears to store amino acids in a "pool" was fascinating! It's so good to learn that maybe we don't have to be such "vigilantes" at getting our protein in. Maybe we can relax a little.

And you are absolutely right that the vast majority of us are "average athletes" and not Olympians...so we should not need tons of protein the way weight lifters and fitness buffs believe they do.

I need balance, and this helps. I keep thinking of that word K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid!) Ha! I've always been such a perfectionist at times that I end up making things so hard that I end up frustrated and give up on doing it. Life is not perfect...so I need to relax a bit and just do my best.

Thanks for your excellent post!

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2/28/10 1:56 P

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This post was really helpful, because sometimes I need things "laid out for me" and your list of foods did just that! Yes, it does sound easier to get in those protein needs than I was thinking it was! Your post helped me understand it better. Thank you!

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Yeah, I get organic non-GMO soy, but I do try to mix it up. Primarily I turn to seitan, and often have soy milk (not usually daily, but at most 1 cup per day). Less often I turn to tofu. In between are the faux meats that have soy in them, maybe twice a week.

As I'm exercising more, I find I can handle more starchy carbs, so I've been trying to have more foods with sprouted grains, beans, rice and lentils and so I'm eating more whole foods too.

I think it's OK to have soy a couple times a day, but in general variety is what we need to get all those valuable micronutrients.


Oh, I wanted to say also sometimes I turn to a rice or hemp protein powder or shake.

I try to mix it up so it's not all soy or all seitan.


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Thanks for all the information, this is really helpful!

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Hi TrillianToo....It all sounds fabulous. Yes, for those of us who really need a lot of protein, eating leafy greens and downing super green powders that contain spirulina and green algaes and seaweed may not be enough. For those of us who are cooked Vegans, Tofu, Seitan and other meatless analogs may have to be added. But I'm starting to think that eating too much soy isn't good for us either. Unless the soy is fermented and is non-GMO, I think that eating too much soy may not be too good for us. I don't know. Anyone have thoughts on health issues with soy?

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Don't forget also we need those essential ammino acids, and greens alone aren't enough to provide for that.

Definitely eat lots of dark green leafy veggies (I love sitting down to a huge pile of kale, particularly if it's the dinosaur kale), but also get beans, rice, lentils, and particularly whole grains.

I understand quinoa is a "complete protein" and provides all our essential ammino acids for good health.

And while many raw vegans say that the 45g protein they get primarily from non-starchy veggies, leafy greens, and some grains works for them, I need far more than that so I do get my 45 or so from that, but also add tofu, seitan, or the like.


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Wow!!!!! You ALL gave me such good advice that I can't really thank just one of you, because you ALL helped me out! Thank you so much, veggie friends, for helping relieve some of my confusion over green protein!

Thanks for all the useful links, too! I'll be checking them out. It's so good to belong to a good group like this one--so full of intelligent individuals! I truly appreciate all you shared with me and thank you!

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i was on weight watchers last summer. they never said anything about "meat" protein. and if you follow their suggested filling foods recipes you will automatically eating 80% vegetarian

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2/24/10 11:57 A

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Nuts contain a lot of fat. You can gain a lot of weight from over doing the nuts. Soy can be hard to digest and for women, depending on the stage of life we are in, soy shouldn't even be in our diets. I am eating soy because I am beyond my perio-menopausal years. I overate on the soy when I was at that stage of life, and I had experienced tumor growth because my estrogen count was sky high. Soy contains phytoestrogen. I was having it every day - soy milk, soy yogurt, soy cheese, Tofu, Soy Burgers. So you have to make sure that whatever Vegan sources you use that you use it in moderation.

If you are going to embark on a Vegan diet, going on a plant-based diet is best as close to nature as you can. But in the beginning of your journey towards nutritional perfection and under certain life circumstances (where you are traveling), eating and bringing along protein powder and green powder will ensure that you are getting all of the nutrients you need to be healthy on this life style. The soil isn't as rich in nutrients as it once was.

How many of us are willing to heap our plates sky high with bitter leafy green vegetables like Kale, Dandelion greens, Sorrel, Collard Greens, Spinich (etc.) and eat them raw? But you can eat a fair amount of leafy greens in a smoothie. If you are willing to drink a deep rich green smoothie every day, then, yes, you can get a lot of protein, minerals and vitamins from your meals. But if you are not, then you have to get that same nutrition from another Vegan source. Protein and Green Powder blends are the way to go for a beginner and for someone who is very active in sports.

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There are some great books available, such as Thrive (which is for vegan athletic training) and Vegetarian Sports Nutrition. I would recommend checking out those sources.

As long as you are meeting the protein needs outlined on your tracker (minimum ranges, not necessarily the maximum), you should be getting adequate protein for health, weight-loss and muscle building. Make sure you are eating a varied diet of protein sources, whether you choose soy or "greens" or others, to meet your needs.

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I've said it before, I'm not much for suppliments & powders, I'm sure they are great for convenience. But, I think if you are eatting healthy, nature has given up pretty much everything we need. Plus, if you have a "protein" drink, it doesn't really feel you up & you end up eatting more. I actually used to get too much protein, because for breakfast I was making a shake with tofu, soy milk & peanut butter!
BEANPOLEHOPEFUL has great suggestions for getting protein as a vegan

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Protein
It is very easy for a vegan diet to meet the recommendations for protein as long as calorie intake is adequate. Strict protein planning or combining is not necessary. The key is to eat a varied diet.

Almost all foods except for alcohol, sugar, and fats provide some protein. Vegan sources include: lentils, chickpeas, tofu, peas, peanut butter, soy milk, almonds, spinach, rice, whole wheat bread, potatoes, broccoli, kale...

For example, if part of a day's menu included the following foods, you would meet the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein for an adult male:


1 cup oatmeal, 1 cup soy milk
2 slices whole wheat bread, 1 bagel
2 Tablespoons peanut butter
1 cup vegetarian baked beans
5 ounces tofu, 2 Tablespoons of almonds
1 cup broccoli, and 1 cup brown rice.

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If you are lifting weights and want to make sure that you are getting the right kind of protein to supplement your Vegan diet, look into taking Plant Protein powder. Look into LifeTime Plant Protein as a possibility.

www.iherb.com/Life-s-Basics-Plant-Pr
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Check out Vegan Essentials

www.veganessentials.com/catalog/vega
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Check out Sun Warrior (supposed to be the best - I've not tried it yet)

www.veganessentials.com/catalog/sun-
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There are a lot of excellent super green powders you can take as well as you start this journey. Ultimately you want to rely more and more onto the whole foods approach - get most of your nutrients from the foods that you eat, but sometimes supplementation is required in the beginning and at different times and circumstances in your life.

Take these powders in your breakfast smoothies. Or eat leafy green vegetables in your fruit smoothies in the morning.

Example:

1 large banana
1 C frozen fruit
2 dates
1 Scoop Plant Protein Powder
2 TBLSP Super Green Powder or a handful of leafy green vegetables
2 Cups of water or 2 Cups of Almond Breeze

Mix up in a Vitamix or Blend Tec Blender and you have two servings of Super Green Smoothies to drink during the day. What a shot of energy you will get. Unbelievable feel good energy. I use Dr. Schultze's Super Green Plus powder.

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I'm a man, a vegan and I lift weights so I hope I tick some boxes here.
My recent reading is that massive amounts of protein after exercise, including weights, is unnecessary. Small amounts of protein are used in muscle repair and muscle building. Unless you are an Olympic class weightlifter, an average intake of protein is adequate. The latest studies show that large amounts of protein do not in fact make any difference to muscle development in the vast majority of 'average' athletes, that's the unwashed 98% of us. The 'ripped' industry gets off on the protein myth just as much as the meat industry, but the science doesn't add up.
The human body makes protein from amino acids, and the modern science has also shown that these can be stored for some time. It's therefore not necessary that every meal be high in protein as the body has a 'pool' of material with which to build protein required for tissue repair.
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You are at correct place. Good luck!

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I too am a new vegan. I participated in the 21 Day Vegan Kickstart in January and one of the participants was Brendon Braizer a triathelete. You might check out his website. I believe there is a sparkteam for the "Thrive" diet as well. Another Vegan Kickstart is starting March 1st by PRCM.org



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this is a helpful site as it includes nutrition info for vegans...

www.vrg.org/index.htm

also this woman's recipes are all vegan...

www.christinacooks.com/ ...

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Hi,

It seems like many of us here are so new at being Vegan that we are confused about some things. (I've only been one for 3 and a half months) As a man I find I'm confused about protein...especially "green protein" (that is, protein from things like collard greens and other green veggies.)

For years I've known the "facts" that groups like Weight Watchers teach: men should have six to eight ounces of meat protein per day. And if you are a weight lifter, then that amount is to be increased (because protein builds muscle.)

However, on this vegan diet it's unclear sometimes. Sure, if I eat a soy burger for lunch and one for dinner I probably have gotten my protein needs in for those meals. But I'm told I can just eat something like collard greens at a meal (with no other soy or bean protein) and with that one serving I'll get 5 grams of protein just from the greens (Which is good, but still may fall short for a man's protein needs for one meal...I'm not sure.)

I do understand that Vegans believe we need less protein than what society says we do--and I see the logic behind it, but I would think a man who lifts weights would still need a good amount of protein to build up those muscles.

So it gets confusing. I'd like to eat more greens and be more moderate with the soy protein...but I worry that I may not get enough protein (especially if I begin lifting weights, which I plan to do).

I realize this is a tuff question and I don't expect everyone to be experts here on this...but who knows, somebody here may have just the right answer! So it helps to humbly say sometimes "I don't understand" and maybe somebody here does understand and can help...that's what I love about being in groups!

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