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3/16/09 1:51 A

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The worst is when the server at a restaraunt cannot tell you whether or not some of the ambiguous dishes do or do not have animal product. ie soup broth, refried beans, rice dishes, even green beans! I hate it. At least when I am getting something at the grocery I can check the ingredients. You can't do that at most restaraunts. Some of them don't even have the ingredients on their website if you wanna research it beforehand.

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WOW! I can't believe all the hidden meat products in what appear t be vegetarian and vegan foods! That is unreal about the potatoes being injected with Beef! I am new to being a veggie, so I have much to learn! I would of thought maybe they were fried in the same oil, but not injected!
Is this for taste reasons? Are Americans that hooked on beef?
Thanks for posting all this great info! This will only make day 3 for me, but I feel so good about my choice! You are all going to be a wealth of knowledge for me.

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Some plant products have been hybrid with certain fish DNA to allow them to not freeze in frost conditions. Tomatoes with this have never been publicly markets, but it doesn't mean in the future we don't need to watch out for these. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/dna/pop_genetic_ga
llery/index.html

For example, we were told that we would be informed of cloned meat's entry to the market yet that may not be so. http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress
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-milk-may-have-already-entered-food-supply/
We are already being taught that it is safe http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=687
683n, yet there is so much current research linking some cancers with less DNA telemers (cloning decreases telemer length) and decreased the genetic diversity vigor. Talk about a disaster movie script, all of a certain cloned plant or animal as exposed to a new virus and there as no food sources left. I know I'm referring to animal issues, yet when the technology already exists for gene insertion from animal to plant, it is not far away.

Then because I'm in the medical field I have to ask you to think about the meat used to grow colony cultures.

Shudder and skip if you want to: the one that everyone wants to miss are all the insects and Micromys minutus that are accidentally included, via combine harvesting, in things like grain production. Something inside me says I should delete before posting, but it is true.

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WOW! I never knew most of this!!! I love this team, I learn something new every day :)

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3/10/09 1:36 P

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Point isn't that I can eat them, it is just to inform people that a product one would assume to be Veg friendly isn't.

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Beef flavor is still beef. So, either way I can't eat them. So, moot point there.

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As for McDonald's French Fries, they stopped cooking them in Beef Fat. HOWEVER, to simualte the same flavor, they inject the potatoes with "beef flavor". After the law suit, they list it now on their ingredients. They make their fries without "beef flavor" in some countries (like India) where there is a giant population that won't eat beef for religious reasons. But here in the US, still has beef products in the fries.

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MARYALICE your experience in Texas is a lot different than mine was! LOL I moved from Anna Marie, FL to NE TX in '95 when I was a vegetarian and all my husband's friends and family thought I was some kind of "freak" and would say, "You're in Texas - you eat meat in Cattle Country"(their words)! Going out to eat was pretty much a nightmare - it seemed everything had some kind of meat product in it, even vegetables and it was hard to find the products I was used to getting in FL, I finally learned how to work around it and eventually fell in love with TX. I am now back in FL but still tend to yearn for TX and I am sure it would be a lot easier to be a vegetarian or vegan than it was back then.

As for the non-veg foods, yes, you have to be very careful and really read or ask what is in the product. I found out several months ago that some of the veggie burgers are not vegan. I pretty much make all of my own food from scratch but I know not every can or wants to so it is nice to have a forum where we can share our knowledge.

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For anyone who's Chinese, I just found out this past Moon Festival that mooncake is made with LARD. Had no idea until the Taoist temple sent me a "vegetarian mooncake" since they knew I was veg, then I got curious. If there's vegetarian mooncake, that must mean regular mooncake isn't...yup.

Lard is also present in many other asian foods, though I don't know about in the US as I refuse to eat asian food here. It is also considered the best shortening for pie crust, so watch for that as well.

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I became a vegetarian in 83. The easy part was remembering. If I eat meat I doubled over in cramps. The hard part ( and still is) is making others understand. "It doesn't have meat in it just chicken broth, it doesn't have meat in it just salami).

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Maryalice I am in Dallas. Actually we have a large Indian population, and a bunch of young hippie types, so it is much easier now. When I first went vegetarian in 1984 I was more of an oddity... now I'm just odd.

We just get in tons of debates over food at our temple. What is technically correct and how picky you choose to be. It makes for some fun conversations.


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The other day I found out something rather interesting about chocolate.
I knew that cadburys' chocolate was vegetarian and that nestle's chocolate isn't, and I just assumed it was to do with rennet in the milk they used or something.

But aparently the real reason is because when they are harvesting the cocoa beans; bugs and dirt and stuff are on them (as with anything grown outside). Cadburys' wash their cocoa beans before they get shipped, so that bugs and gross stuff wont be brought into the factory.

Nestle's dont. So they can't guarantee that the chocolate is bug-free. How gross is that!?

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TUKARAM Where are you in Texas. I'm in Bazoria County. When we moved to Texas I thought I would have a real problem, but find it easier to be a vegetarian here then in Fl. Maybe it is because I live near a lot in people from India where in Fl there where a lot of Cubans

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I've always wondered about the kosher gelatin in foods and what that meant. Thanks for the clarification Tukaram.

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Major companies have a lot of different recipes depending on the country.

I am not a fan of Skittles but my son is. The Skittles in the US contain gelatin, the ones in England do not. So we have to buy his in the foreign section of Kroger.

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Lionsima; Actually kosher gelatin may or may not have bones/hides in it. The kosher laws consider bone/hides as pareve (neither meat nor milk).

Here is a quote from Kashrus Magazine (a mag for all things kosher):


"...since the gelatin product is from hides or bones - not real flesh - and has undergone such significant changes, it is no longer considered 'fleishig' (meat) but 'pareve', and can be eaten with dairy products."

Also watch out for Halal gelatin. It is similar to Kosher, but according to Islamic rules, and may still contain animal products, just killed according to certain rules.

We went round and round the gelatin issue at temple, being Hindu in Texas is fun!

Carrageen and agar-agar are both safe, being from seaweed.


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oh, I just noticed you said kosher yogurt, not kosher gelatin. I don't know about kosher yogurt. (^-^)

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Isinglass is a fining (clarifying agent) used in some beer and wine production. Many vegetarians do not worry about isinglass because it doesn't end up in the finished product. Isinglass attaches itself to proteins that make beer or wine cloudy and then settles out. Any traces of isinglass remaining normally gets filtered out before bottling. Not all beers use isinglass. Many use other finings. I make my own beer and I find that Irish moss (carrageenan) works just fine to make my beer clear.

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It really is scary to learn about these surprising foods that have animal products...i never would have thought that there would be fish in wine..........luckily, i am not a big drinker.....and i don't drink wine, but still.....scary!

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I heard that wine that doesn't have fish blathers doesn't taste very good. I'm guessing it means it taste differant. I knew wine made my tummy hurt, but didn't know it was fish.

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That is so gross about the wine. Why would they need to add animal parts to wine?!!
I know that in Canada Oreo cookies used to be made with beef tallow. I quit eating them years ago when I found that out. I think they're made with veggie shortening now. The mad cow scare about 12 years or so ago forced a lot of companies to remove beef shortening from products.
Anyone remember the frenchfry lawsuit against McDonald's? A group sued them because beef tallow wasn't on the ingredient list. McDonald's used to advertise that their fries were cooked in veggie oil, but they neglected to mention that the fries themselves had cow bits in them. GROSS!



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I knew about most of those. Except for the wine and alcoholic drinks. And the orange sodas. It's sad when you can't even be sure if the label is correct.

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Animal products cause me to double over in pain and have to have my system purged. I've asked many companies about their labels. They have all expressed concern for my problem, but I've yet to see a label change. There are a few companies out there I knew are vegan and buy from them. I am sure there are other things out there that won't make me sick, but I've gotten so tired of reading labels and looking for animal products that go be a different name. I stick to what I know. At first I was surprised at some of the things that have beef and or chicken fat in them. Now i've gotten to where I'm surprised if they don't.

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Wanna I did chuck all the makeup and start over. Pure minerals and nothing but.

Will - that is horrible. I think I need to just quit eating. LOL Just a joke.

I wish we could get companies to put on their labels what is in their food including GMO information. Unfortunately it is going to take lawsuits from serious allergic reactions and/or death.

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Cosmetics are another subject altogether. It's absolutely impossible to tell by reading the ingredient list.

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Also, check out this list of things to look for in the products you love. Some are obvious, but many others may surprise you:

www.vegsoc.org/info/stumbling.html

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No problem Buggie.

Ok who put animal things in my wine and why are they putting animal things in my wine?

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Regarding wines, yes, unless it is specifically marketed as vegan, then it has fish bladders, calf hooves and tendons, milk proteins/particles, and other animal products.

There are many good vegan wines out there. Here is the skinny on vegan wines. This site on the Vegan Connection web site gives lots of good information.

www.veganconnection.com/veganwine.ht
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The main site on Vegan Connection has good information on general tips/guidelines on vegan eating:

www.veganconnection.com/

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I found out this weekend that wine is made with fish bladders.

As for Asian foods. If you go to out to eat, tell the waiter you are Hindu. Most of them are very strict vegetarians. If you order something called Budda's delight, or some similar name it will be vegetarian. Strict Buddest are Strict vegetarians. The other stuff sneaks in when they Americanize their foods. Or try to pretend they are good Buddest.

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Eternal: You didn't mention that the site you visited was Australian. I thought you were talking about the ones here in the U.S. That makes a difference. Oops. I also didn't notice on the site that it said it was an Australian site. But then I might have just not seen it.

I suppose you have a point too about knowing whether there was whey in it or not because somebody else might want to know. I'm sorry.

Oh. Ok. Right at the top ****** Queensland. I told you I was blind.

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I just thought it was interesting that they are made differently in different countries and that they are not vegan in all countries. The particular site I listed is Australian.

Just because I don't eat something doesn't mean I didn't used to or that someone in my family doesn't.



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My link is from the Nabisco website...same as on a package of Oreos.

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Well, you know instead of reading websites and their version of what is in a certaini product why not actually pick up the product next time you go shopping and read the ingredients. That way there's no second guessing. But then if one doesn't care for a certain product anyway does it really matter whether they have whey in them or not?

Wanna: I was thinking the same about that. Maybe the Oreos from Canada have whey in them. I wonder if the Canadian ones ever had beef tallow in them at one point. That's one reason I quit buying Hostess products. Besides the fact that they're not good for me the ingredients on the package lists some form of lard, animal shortening, and/or beef tallow. Even in Zingers. Ugh!!

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Here's a link to Oreos ingredients. Personally, I don't like them that much, but they are apparently vegan. I've heard they have a different recipe in Canada. Maybe the Canadian oreos have whey.

www.nabiscoworld.com/Brands/ProductI
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This is where I pulled the information from. I personally don't like them.

www.vegsoc.org.au/product_list.asp?P
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When I first started eating vegetarian it was because I was having problems with certain meats and decided to cut them out of my diet. Then I started learning different things in this team about certain animal products and things that are done to animals and slowly started eliminating more and more products are my diet. I do find that I am living more healthier and fell better about it.

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Ok, here's the deal on Oreos:

Regular and Double stuff: Vegan
Goldens: Vegan
100 calorie snack: vegetarian
Fudgees: Vegan
Minis:Vegan
White Fudge covered: vegetarian
Winter Red: Vegan

Hope this helps.


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Oreos are vegan. I assume we're talking the Nabisco Oreos. Not the Oreo wannabes. Nabisco Oreos have never had tallow in them that I was ever aware of. Hydrox cookies maybe. In fact here's the link to the product info and ingredients for the Nabisco Oreos. No whey.

www.nabiscoworld.com/Brands/ProductI
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It is sad when you look on a vegetarian/vegan site for food ingredients. They said oreos are vegetarian (even one of the comments said they were vegan). There is whey in oreos which is derived from milk. At least they have taken the tallow out of oreos.

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Good. I use Cabot cheese quite a bit.

You know that's what irks me. The amount of non animal ingredients that companies put in vegetarian products. I should be able to buy something and not have to read the label for animal ingredients. I should only have to read it to see if it has eggs or dairy in it if I'm vegan.

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Hi, I am trying to become vegetarian but I do love dairy. I found out that Cabot Cheese makes there cheese without rennet
Taken from there website:
"What kind of rennet is used to make our cheeses?
All Cabot cheeses are made without animal rennet or enzymes. In the past, the cheese-making enzyme of choice originated from the lining of calves stomachs. Today we use enzymes that are not derived from animals but still result in the taste and quality you've come to expect from Cabot. Cabot's rennet is approved for vegetarians and kosher products."


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Yogurt is tricky....i'm not a huge fan of soy yogurt, so i eat Yo-Kids (No geletin and it is organic!) I also find rice hard at both restaurants and in the store. Friendlys spanish rice that comes with their veggie quasadeas is not vegetarian, and many rice dishes in the store...that will say vegetable rice are often made with chicken stock. Green Giant (i think) has new veggie side dishes...but they have geletin in them. Also snow balls, and some other cake desserts have beef fat...beef fat!! Also frozen meals are sometimes tricky.....you have to read everything!! I never buy anything now without reading the ingredients list at least twice!

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A lot of vitamin supplements aren't vegeterian. I find that highly annoying.

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It's scary going out to eat sometimes. I try to check out the places websites before I go. It's hard sometimes. I have a fave chinese buffet I like to go to occasionally. They've been serving a lot more vegetarian looking dishes. Mushrooms with zucchini, and stuff like that. But I'm alway wondering if anybody would actually know anything. If I ever asked I'd probably regret doing so.

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One way to avoid gelatin in your yoghurt is to buy kosher yoghurt. It NEVER contains any gelatin of any kind. You can tell it is is kosher because it will have a little symbol on it. In Canada the main ones are COR and MK (at least on the yoghurts I buy - Liberte Organic yoghurt is so yummy!!!), in the US it is more likely to be the OU (a U inside an O) or the OK or something like that.

Ditto kosher cheeses - they use microbial rennet.

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Yeah, yogurt and cheese are the hardest things for me too. I love ice cream too, but I like the soy and rice kinds. I really love the Greek yogurts like Fage...yum!

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I am still having a hard time with eleminating the cheeses but everything else has been ok. I am not a fan of gelatin and none of my yogurt has it. Still can't get used to the soy yogurt.

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To answer you DMK1249, Gelatin is made of crushed bones from a dead pork or beef, sometimes fish.
Milk doesn't kill the animal, even if we can still question the ways it is produced, especially if not organic.

Same goes for some cheeses made of rennet, as explained on this thread.

I don't want any parts of dead animals who have suffered in my meals. By not buying those products containing gelatin and rennet is my way to say NO to those industries supporting cruelty.

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Wow - guess it is really smart to just cook from scratch with only just plain ole herbs and just the basics.

Saving our money and buying the best quality seems like a better investment. I eat out once a week with "the girls" and i am afraid to think what I am really getting. I try to ask questions but I see in the responses there is a bunch of hidden stuff.

Thanks for sharing!

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I dont know if this has been mentioned, but some red foods are trouble! Carmine or cochineal are both red food colorings that are made from crushed beetles!! These can be found in certain candies (I've seen it in chewy smarties or chewy sweet tarts) and even in other red things like strawberry milkshakes!!

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I find that when I do eat out I have to ask a lot of very specific questions. My favorite Italian place uses animal broth in their marinara sauce. But I do find that if you speak to the waiter or waitress they are typically very helpful. Most chefs will also accommodate your diet. I eat a vegan diet so getting my point across is sometimes very difficult when a lot of wait staff doesn't speak fluent English.

Most Asian places also use a fish broth for their dishes. I found that at most the only thing I will get is the steamed vegetables with brown rice.

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From the Panda Express website:

"Panda Express does not offer vegetarian entrees due to our cooking process. Most of our entrees contain a chicken base that is used as a flavor enhancer."

www.pandaexpress.com/contact/

So much for that eggplant tofu dish!

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There is also a problem with caesar salad because the dressing as anchovies in it, I learned that the hard way as well.

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A lot of marinara sauces also have cheese. Some red pasta sauces have fish.

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A lot of veggie soups have cheeses in them. Even the ones made without chicken or beef broth.



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There are vegetarian forms of geletin-type desserts, which are made with a seaweed gelling agent, such as Emes Kosher Gel, Kojel and Hain SuperFruits. You can also use agar agar, a type of seaweed, to make your own homemade gel desserts.



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I'm thankful for this thread! I just decided to try living a vegetarian lifestyle yesterday. So today I packed my lunch without even thinking and put jell-o in it. Geletain certainly isn't vegetarian, is it? And then to learn that so many things that I would THINK are vegetarian actually aren't!! I have so much to learn! But I'm planning on learning all that I need to do this right.

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All of this is very surprising, that's why I prefer to eat at home, that way I know exactly what I'm eating. emoticon

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agh! i hate that. also that reminds me -- be careful too when you go to Asian restaurants. A lot of Asian places have a different definition of "vegetarian" than Americans do; "vegetarian" to them / us means land animals only. I went to a Vietnamese restaurant this past weekend and I was delighted to find out that they had a vegetarian menu, but it had shrimp on some of the food. The item I wanted was clearly labeled (in English and Vietnamese) as vegetarian but the waitress said there was shrimp on it. But, in Beijing the vegetarian restaurants were actually vegetarian, so you have to ask and make sure that the food and sauces don't contain any animals or seafood if you don't eat seafood.

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Rennet in cheese, which comes from a calf's stomach lining. And for you vegans, vegetarian cheeses usually have some sort of dairy. Now that seems pointless!

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Chloe, OK.. I think I understand. I was writing my question when you were writing your post about by-product vs animal product.. and your additional clarification helps too.

Thanks!

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Be careful when you order vegetable rice pilaf. Some places use chicken broth in it, even though its called vegetable rice pilaf. You have to ask the server. Its not usually on the menu that chicken broth is used.

And the first time I had French onion soup, I ordered it without the cheese. Little did I know that it was made with beef stock, so not getting cheese in it was rather moot at that point. Ugg.

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I'm pretty sure the gelatin is at the bottom where the fruit is. I always thought it was just syrup. If it's in the yogurt, that's a problem too, I just have to read the ingredient lists when I do eat regular yogurt.

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Hi.. kind of new at the vegetarian/vegan game so I could use an education. Yogurt is an animal by-product, right.. so if you are eating yogurt, why would the fact that there is gelatin in the Starbucks yogurt be a problem. Not criticizing -- just trying to get it right. Thanks

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Sorry, poor choice of words. I meant parts of animals, not animal byproducts.

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Why is all the good stuff bad!!!



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I woudln't be surprised if the spinach artichoke dip didn't also have mayonaise in it. Maybe cream cheese too.

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Boo. I went to Starbucks craving yogurt & granola and found out there's gelatin in it.

Also, a while ago I went to CPK and found out that their spinach & artichoke dip (in the appetizers section) is made with chicken broth. Same with Dave & Buster's spinach & artichoke dip.

Any other sneaky and surprising ways animal products end up in food?

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