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3/31/09 1:00 P

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I use the same rule for soy that I use for all foods.

Eat the least processed form you can and eat a varied diet. My stepdaughter used to almost live on Morningstar Farms Chik patties. I have to admit that they are really good. They are highly processed foods though. I might have something like this as an occasional treat but it shouldn't be a staple.

Probably the healthiest way to eat soy would be edamame. I also find it being in a shell slows me down so I won't overeat; it seems like a perfect snack. Tofu and Miso are somewhat processed but not nearly as much as fake meats.

People with low thyroid would be wise to avoid soy. Soy may reduce breast cancer risk because the phytoestrogens are weaker than natural estrogens and can displace them on hormone receptors. They are believed to reduce symptoms of menopause by lowering the effect of natural estrogen before the change then supplying phytoestrogen afterword making the change more gradual.

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3/31/09 12:44 P

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Too much soy can cause cancer, and a lot of people are point fingers at soy for causing breast cancer. I dont know much about it, and it makes me sad because I LOVE soy.

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3/31/09 9:49 A

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I am 50 years old, I have been vegetarian for 4 or 5 years. I think adding soy to my diet helped me before I turned 50 because now I am in Menopause and I am not having any problems. Sometimes I have hot flashes but they only last a second, not near as bad as I hear other people having and I have never had sleep problems or night sweats. I think soy has helped me.

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Sure. You can use your basic recipe in terms of ingredients with the High gluten seitan flour and water, soy sauce, etc. Or even just the seitan flour and water. Knead it for about 2 mins. You can let sit and knead again if you want. The key thing I've found is to NOT let it boil. You want to have it almost boiling, but not quite. In between a simmer and a boil I guess. Then cook it for 1 hr. After that sit the pan in a sink full of water and throw some ice cubes in to cool it down. Once it's cool then it should slice and look like ok and not spongy.

Sometimes I still get a bit of spongieness on the edges. I'm still experimenting with putting it in before it starts it's low boil or after.

I've found if I simmer it takes forever and gets spongy. If it turns into a rolling boil it gets spongy. Basically the boiling is the key. Everything else is whatever works the best for you. Good luck.

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11/17/08 8:09 P

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Can you share yur recipe?

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I've never paid too much attention to how much soy I consume.

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About the soy--I try to limit myself to one soy product serving a day. So if I know I'm going to be eating tofu for dinner (usually about once a week), I make it a point not to have soy milk with breakfast. It takes a little extra planning, but it makes me feel better. emoticon

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I love seitan. White wave is tops in ready made seitan. I finally found a seitan recipe that I make that doesn't leave it all spongy. Haven't tried to make milk. Just bought almond milk for the first time and like it.

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10/10/08 3:59 P

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I have made both soy and almond milk and they were GREAT! I especially like the Almond milk. What do you think about seitan? good or bad?

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10/9/08 5:10 P

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I really do make a point to try and have soy in moderation. I do love me some tofu though :)

I lift weights a lot though and really do try to get more protein than most people, and I actually use a blend of rice, pea, and hemp protein for a post workout shake, which has eliminated a huge source of soy from my diet and I am very happy about that.

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10/9/08 3:46 P

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I do like the fake meats, but I agree - they can't be all that good for you. Better than the corresponding animal products though.
And you are right about the meat subs made from more natural ingredients. I LOVE Amy's Kitchen sausage patties that are made from walnuts and mushrooms. YUMMMM


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10/9/08 1:13 P

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I find it hilarious that Westerners looked at Asians and were like "omg why are they so healthy oh look it must be the soy" when really, Asians (Chinese, anyway) don't really have all that much soy in their diet. And when they do, it's in a very simple form--usually either tofu or soy milk. Try to stick to those when eating soy.

"Fake meat" by Western companies is absolutely disgusting (no offense to those who enjoy it). Try out some Asian vegetarian meat. They use ingredients you can still recognize (usually either tofu skin or mushrooms, or both). Or better yet, make your own. My grandmother makes vegetarian chicken, and it tastes great. I'm sure you can find a recipe online.

And I really encourage you to make your own soy milk at least once. You'll never buy that Silk crap again--it's a TOTALLY different taste.

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10/3/08 10:23 A

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Wow! I never knew that about soy. Thanks for the information, everyone. I just sort of automatically assumed it was good for me because it was protein. I'm going to have to pay a little more attention now.

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Also, to go along with SimoneGuitard, due to the fake homone simulation, you are prone to get hypothyroidism, which, I have been researching alot lately, due to my diagnosis with subclinical hypothyroidism... You have to be very careful.

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This is good to know. Thanks for sharing the information.

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10/3/08 12:45 A

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Thanks everyone!!!! I'm research and reading now.

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10/2/08 11:54 P

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Just to add to the info, fermented soy products like tempeh and miso do not do any weird hormone things, so they are OK to eat plenty of.


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Very interesting! Thanks you for sharing!

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Here is another little thing on it...Like they said moderation, not excess...

Soy is often recommended as a dietary way to improve hormone balance. Studies suggest that hormone-like substances in soy may help to even out pre-menstrual symptoms or PMS, decrease menstrual cramps and pain, and even lessen symptoms of menopause.

The Trouble with Soy
Despite their promising marketing, the phytoestrogens in soy may also contribute to hormone imbalance. They resemble human hormones enough to fool the body in some ways – but not others. Some concern also exists about the nutritional value of soybean products that have been heavily-processed (such as TVP, most veggie burgers, soy ice cream, and soy cheese).

GMO, Heavily-Processed and Chemical Laden Soy “Foods”
Soy has been touted as a health food – but today soy is rarely healthy.

Most soy beans used to make products like tofu and soy milk are genetically modified organisms (GMOs) – a process that introduces unpredictable elements into our food supply. Unless the package explicitly says otherwise, assume all soy is GMO.

Many soy products are also heavily processed and contain dozens of chemical ingredients. Reading the labels on plain tofu usually reveals two or more preservatives with unpronounceable names; soy oil, mayonnaise, textured vegetable protein (“TVP”), soy and veggie burgers/patties, soy ice cream, soy cheese, and vegetarian deli meats usually contain several more (a large part of the reason eating vegetarian is no guarantee that your diet is a healthy one.) TVP is an ingredient in most meat substitutes (burgers, “veggie ground round”) and usually contains MSG.

MSG, preservatives, and other artificial flavorings are known to contribute to allergic reactions, headaches, weight gain, degenerative disease, and certainly don’t do any good in the long run for hormone balance.

Soy Phytoestrogens and the Impact on Human Hormones
Some women seem to do remarkably well on soy milk and other soy products. In particular, a small amount of soy seems to alleviate peri- or pre-menopausal symptoms. For other women, however, soy may exacerbate symptoms, and for some men and women it can be downright harmful.

Soy is high in phytoestrogens and other hormone mimickers – naturally occurring chemicals that resemble estrogen and other human hormones. Once inside the human body, they act like hormones – but not exactly.

In women, these compounds trigger estrogen receptors but do not completely fulfill estrogen’s roles in the body. In the process, they block real estrogen from having access to its receptors. The result is as though there is not enough estrogen in the body.

These phytoestrogens trigger the same hormone receptors in men – with the same partial effect - but men have far less estrogen in their bodies normally than do women. A man who consumes a lot of soy may appear to have too much estrogen in his system.

Many women report more severe menstrual pain, bloating, or a more irregular cycle when they consume soy. For these women, eating less or no soy during and just before their period usually lessens their symptoms.

Soy may be one of those foods that is good in moderation, but harmful in excess.

For related reasons, soy is not recommended for people with underactive thyroid.







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Hope this helps!! these are great web sites

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg
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10/2/08 6:12 P

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I've been hearing a lot about getting too much soy in one's diet. When I first started eliminating meat I did eat a lot of soy such as veggie dogs, soy protein shakes, soy burgers, etc.. I have since learned to try other things as well. But I still don't know what is considered too much soy?

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