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Thanks for your viewpoint, Candace. It is true that these are very complex issues, with multifacets and long histories. We can never know the whole picture, particularly from way over here.

I can't begin to imagine the frustration of activists for political change, human rights, and humane issues there.

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You make an excellent point. What is considered pet and animal, food? It makes a difference from culture to culture. I think us putting pets down in shelters is just as bad as people eating meat. One hurts the environment and the other should be apart of a family. No difference in their deaths in my eyes. I wish there were alternative options... a better way.

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This is a very sad article indeed, but I think until we in western countries realize that there's not much difference between the killing and torture of thousands of cats, or that of thousands of farm animals for meat, dairy and eggs every year. An animal is an animal, and pain is pain.
I think it's horrible how these poor cats are being killed, they should atleast raise their standards of cruelty to make it quick and painless, rather than drawn out. That's just torture.
The sad fact is that there's no way the olympics will be canceled, there's just not enough protest going on, but i still agree with putting it out there and boycotting as many supporters as possible.

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I have been living as a foreigner in China for the past 5 years - and my opinions on China and the Chinese have changed drastically during my time here.

When I first went to China I had very western opinions on their communist government, the Tiananmen Square incident, Tibetan independence, human and animal rights, etc...

However, there truly are 2 sides to every story. The students of Tiananmen square weren't angels, either. No, I don't feel that they deserved what happened, but they were not as innocent as the western media portrayed, either.

The issues with Tibet - there is so much background to this issue that so many people don't know, but are still running to put a "Free Tibet" sticker on their bumper because the Beastie Boys made it cool. The Chinese are hardly as horrid to the Tibetans as it would seem. It's incredibly similar to the situations with Native Canadians and Aboriginee Australians.

China is not a first world country ( although they love to think so ) but it is a developing country and should be considered as such. They are similar to the West 50 years ago and are going through a massive period of change. Even in the past 5 years there have been some amazing leaps and bounds in human and animal rights. Animal rights groups are forming here. People with special needs are no longer immediately institutionalized. Autism is now a recognized diagnosis. Vegetarian restaurants and websites are becoming increasingly popular...

Someone mentioned the one child policy in China and the murdering of baby girls - that is a huge, huge issue with a massive background and is nowhere near as bad as it sounds!

I know this makes me sounds like some brainwashed pro-China nutter, and I'd rather not come across as such. If you were ever to meet me in China you would see that this country drives me insane at least twice daily. I've been banned from 3 live markets for releasing geese into the river. I worked as a Tour Operator and was warned twice by the PSB ( think Chinese KGB )to stop discussing the events of Tiananmen, etc.

I think that the best way to get China to change is to encourage them with positive reinforcement - spending money at veggie restaurants, buying veggies only from farmers that are cruelty free to their animals ( if they have animals ) and encouraging people to spay/neuter their pets.

But all that aside - I really think the Beijing Olympics (the situation, not the games )will be the worst and most controversial ones yet!!!

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You are absolutely right. it is up to us with our buying power to put the breaks on these atrocious practises. We should also make our voices heard loud and clear.

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The point is well taken that generalizations cannot be made. Cruelty is a problem everywhere. When the Olympics were in Athens, there was a boycott because the local government was making a stray animal sweep, and everyone knows how many cats there are in Greece!

The problem with China is that there is a cultural difference. Generally, they seem to view the treatment of animals much differently than Westerers. We should avoid purchasing any products that support treatment that we can't tolerate.

Unfortunately, we also support the Chinese government with our buying power. I don't think anyone could disagree that it is a system that exploits, imprisons, and generally stomps on, its subjugated citizens.

While it is true that there are many people become financially comfortable, and downright wealthy, there is no guarantee that they won't be thrown in jail for some imagined slight against the gov't.

I also heard a story on NPR filled with anecdotes from wealthy urban residents that had pampered, beloved dogs, kept inside, that were confiscated from them because there was a rabies sweep through one large city. One woman had been looking for her dog across the country, for months, and finally found it in a filthy pen with other dogs, to be slaughtered for food. - I promise you I am not making this up, incredible though it may seem!

Again, I have to say, cruelty is everywhere, including a good dose under our own noses. The legal system, and our buying power, make the biggest impact on changing the situation for animals everywhere. And, we're all making a huge difference by our choice to eat something else besides animals, whatever level we're at with vegetarianism.





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Point taken. we will have to right wrongs wherever we find them. lets make it our spark challenge.

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Thanks for all the great info. I will definitely be more cognisant when purchasing, ensuring that it does not come from China.

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I'm sorry if we offended you. I don't think thats what anyone meant though.

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Generalizations like this should be made with caution as not all Chinese are cruel and not all Tibetans are peaceful (take a look at the news)....

Additionally, I recently read an article about how larger cities in India are slaughtering stray dogs basically because they are a nuisance..and sending the dogs to Korea for human consumption...the cruelty is everywhere....

 
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I sent them a letter on the 12th and this is their response. This is worse than the McDonalds letter. Directly to the Chinese Government Authority? Oh yeah because they care what Melissa of Portland or has to say? Ridicululous. HEY! If some one with some say in the matter... like I dunno... THE OLYMPIC SPONSORS... complained China might actually do something about it.
Don't those idiots realize people are going to boycott the companies as well as China! Its like relations 101!!!! emoticon

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Thank you for contacting The Coca-Cola Company. We appreciate your comments regarding the actions that have been taken in China.

We at The Coca-Cola Company are very sensitive to your concerns about the safety and well being of animals.

However, as a sponsor of the Olympic Games, we have no influence or control over the actions of any government. With that in mind, we recommend sharing your concerns directly with the relevant Chinese government authorities.

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care2.com
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these websites might already have a petition running for this purpose.

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Write a brief email about boycotting the Olympics and all the companies that are sponsoring it and why you are doing this. Send the email to every company that is involved and to the TV stations that are covering the games. Their web sites almost always have contact information. Also send it to all your mailing list and ask everyone to forward it to all the companies. Give them the email addresses to make it easy. The companies will respond, some very well, some with form letters but if they get enough they do change their policies. It doesn't help to cry over the plight of the animals but it might help a little to try to do something. I have been avoiding Chinese products for a while and it is getting very difficult . It seems everything is made there!

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Things in Tibet are going from bad to worse. The Chinese are blaming the Dalai Lama. How have they got the nerve.

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I agree completely about personal boycotts; raindrops becoming an ocean. I was thinking about this today after reading the thread, and I think I'll look for some official China boycott website. Perhaps we can collectively make a difference.

If anyone remembers why we started doing business with China so extensively, as I recall, it was almost a response to the Tianammen Square massacre in 1989. The idea was to open their borders for discussion of improved human rights by improving their economy. Well, economy improvement accomplished, I'd say! Time to put the pressure ON.

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Will do. Thanks :D

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You might not eat mc donalds, but you probably know someone who does. Telling them what is going on, and them telling others will have an eventual effect. especially if they go into the restaurants and say why they wont be eating there anymore. The same with telling your local supermarket that you wont buy anything made in China because of there abuse. One drop of rain definately can turn into a downpour.

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Thanks but I think that message was pre written. I feel I can't do anything else now. I haven't eaten mcd for years so I can't boycott when I already have been :D This is where the capitalist system bites. The people have limited say in the out come of such happenings when a milti billion dollar corporation is involved. What is the next step?

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emoticon mdk.360. this is really the practical solution, instead of discussing and feeling sorry for them., this is a first step of action.

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Sounds like redirection to me. Trying to make it seem like they are doing something when they are not.

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I wrote to McDonald's and this is what they said


"Hello Mel:


Thank you for taking the time to contact McDonald's regarding the 2008 Summer Olympic Games in Beijing. As an Olympic sponsor, we support the IOC's position that the most impactful platform for discussion and resolution of this complex international issue be at the United Nations and government level.

McDonald's has been a proud sponsor of the Olympic Movement for more than 30 years because we believe in and share the Olympic ideals of teamwork, excellence and being the best. Our focus has been and will continue to be on supporting the spirit of the Games, and celebrating excellence and achievement among people the world over.

Again, thank you for contacting McDonald's.

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I have to be truthful...I didn't even scroll down to read what you'd discovered about China's stray animal abuses. I know far more than I can even stand already about their abhorrent practices towards animals of every type.

I heard a revealing report on NPR's Marketplace about tiger farming. Now that we've handed over our wallets to that nation, they've become prosperous enough to demand access to their traditional "medicines". Farmers are raising tigers, and visitors can pay to have a goat or other animal thrown live to watch the starved tigers eat. They also are stockpiling the body parts of these animals, waiting for the market to be reopened for the sale of tiger bones, penises, and who knows what all. Here are some links if you're interested in knowing more:

http://www.savethetigerfund.org/Content/
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story
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I don't know if I'm alone in this, but I'd rather see the tiger become extinct than to have any of them exploited and abused in this manner.

It's terrible that we're all rushing over to Beijing for the Olympics to throw more money at the economy of a country where human rights, animal advocacy and environmental protection are a joke to the government.

Thanks for beginning this very important discussion.

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That is monstrous. Those poor animals.The Tibetan priests are protesting again. I fear greatly for their lives. The Chinese have no mercy. How can the governments of the world stand by and watch and do nothing?

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In addition to this, the Daily Mail in the UK ran a story a few weeks ago about the latest craze in Chinese zoos:
Small children are encouraged to go and select a live sheep or goat from a pen.
Their parents pay for it.
The child then gets to lead it along to some double doors and push the animal through.
On the other side is a metal slide which the sheep/goat slides down uncontrollably.
At the bottom is a drop of maybe 10 feet.
When it lands the sheep/goat regularly breaks a leg (or two).
And here's the kicker - the slide leads into the lion pen.
The injured/lame animal is at the mercy of the lions who torment the animal, eventually ripping it to shreds.
Whilst all of this is going on, the small children, accompanied by supposedly intelligent parents, watch over the railings from the top, cheering on the lions and getting unbelievably excited when the savage attack finally happens.

What the hell do you do against a mindset where people find something like that fun?

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Well it may be impossible to change an entire nation but I started by emailing all the companies RAGDYANN422 put below and asked them for a response on the article.

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How does one change the mindset of a whole nation? it seems impossible.

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It is really sad to know about China's behaviour

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Not mentionning to what they do to their own female human babies at birth just because they are not males... emoticon

Couples in China can only have one child and boys are passing on the family name to next generation... You know...

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This is horrible.

What's worse is that the first thing that came to my mind was all the bad jokes about Chinese food. I'm going straight to heck. (Trying to clean up my language around my toddler.)

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It really just amazes me that the Olympics selected China as their host country at all. Their human rights policies are atrocious as it is, on top of their disregard for animal welfare. What on earth was the Olympics committee thinking when they chose China????

To be honest, I was really thinking "what's the big deal" about taking care of the feral cat population - but as someone else said, I figured they were euthanizing them. The conditions they put them in to suffer a slow death is uncalled for. If they want to get rid of the cats, put them down humanely.

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This is terrible! emoticon

I religiously avoid anything "made in China" -- not easy though... It seems like "they" are everywhere...


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I will also boycott all things chinese and those who support them.
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As an avid animal lover, this breaks my heart. It's scary to me the extremes that we humans go to sometimes.

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More than boycotting the Olympics - boycott anything made in China. I applaud Trader Joe's recent decision to eliminate selling anything made in China. I did the same last year - I threw out all food items from my pantry whose origin was China. I had just bought 3 bags of frozen soybeans from China I hated throwing out but I did. I did this after I found out the Advantage (flea medicine) I gave my dog was counterfeit and made in China. China's disregard for cats and dogs and human rights - should not be monetarily supported until there is true change.

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Thanks for that info. I already don't use those brands, besides my Visa debit card (but I don't use it, I only have it).

Speaking of visa cards, I use Working Assets credit card (mine is a MasterCard), which, instead of giving points/cash back, gives a percentage of your total purchases to charities.

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My idea would be to contact whatever TV network is covering the Olympics.



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I am afraid to click on the link. I own 2 cats... we had 3 but had to give the 3rd up due to anxiety issues caused by the other 2 cats (she needed a single kitty home).

In the end, this is just one more black mark on China. China still has trade agreements & acts on them with Sudan. They have extreme limits on freedom of speech & still have many reporters in jail. They have next to nothing in place when it comes to green industry practices or even safe working conditions. There is still a huge stigma with AIDS and people & children who contract it are ostracized.(Ironically, the country's practices during the 1990's in regards to plasma donation & blood collection in many rural areas is attributed to almost 10% of the country's total AIDS cases. In some rural towns 80% of the population is infected due to these practices. There is also little to no indication that they have stopped these practices.)

The site below has a nice laundry list of reasons to boycott the China Olympics. It is not a very web savvy looking page but it's got a lot of great information. (There are navigational links at the top).

http://www.buyhard.fsnet.co.uk/index.htm

Reporters Without Borders also supports a boycott.

Below are a list of some of the big Olympic sponsors of 2008.

Coca-Cola
John Hancock
Kodak
McDonald's
Panasonic
Samsung
Sports Illustrated
Visa
Xerox
Swatch
Atos Origin

Time to start paying off those Visa charge cards folks or transferring them to a different company!





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The chinese have a long history of cruelty to man and beast. Look at what they did to the beautiful peaceful Tibetan people. Its time ordinary people took a stand against this sort of cruelty. Unfortunately, in third world countries animals have no status at all. Dogs, ginny pigs etc have a very cruel end. it is heartbreaking how little human kind has evolved. Almost not at all I would surmise.

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I can barely function when I read articles like this. I will definitely not be watching the olympics and be trying my hardest to boycott Chinese made products as well until their practices in treating animals improve, but how do you go about contacting their government to let them know about boycotts and such? If it is only through our own govt.'s that's not a huge help as they don't like to deal with animal activists either. In 2004, the Greeks poisoned up to 15,000 stray dogs for the same purpose. Will this ever end?

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this is really dreadful situation. Are the games more important than the lives of those innocent creatures?

i could not read the full article. it is horrible.every body MUST be concerned about this

if they are so much worried for the population of cats and dogs. How about the population of china?

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This article made me feel ill... I have two cats, so I have a soft spot for them
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That article was worse than I thought it would be. I thought they'd at least be euthanizing the cats. That's horrible.

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Here's a link to an article I got from TreeHugger today about how China is "dealing with" an overpopulation of cats to prepare for the Olympics. This is pretty disturbing and sad, so click through at your own risk. I felt compelled to share so that others would be aware of it. www.treehugger.com/files/2008
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So who's ready to boycott the Olympics? I sure am! But I wonder if there's anything animal lovers can do to protest, maybe petition whatever network will cover the Olymptics? I'm not sure, but it's so sad.

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