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9/18/07 3:28 P

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ISMENT2B...I don't think we took your post as encouraging people to try it!!

SPARKCAT1...while very low carb isn't' for everyone, Ketosis is actually quite a normal reaction of our body. When we don't have food for several hours and need fuel the body breaks down fat to use ketone bodies for energy. Many people would show signs of ketosis in the morning after an overnight fast. And any time you have been fasting for surgery or blood work, ketones are what is supplying your body with the needed energy. (Glucose is made also, but the majority of your fuel will be ketones)

The ONLY time ketones are dangerous is when blood sugar is elevated....this is not because the ketones themselves are dangerous, but having a high blood sugar along with evidence of fat metabolism (ketones) means you are in trouble!! This indicates the body cannot use the glucose in the blood so it's metabolizing fat for needed energy. The blood sugar levels you will see in an event like this is in the several hundreds....as in 400, 500 and even higher....I've seen people with blood sugars over 1000!

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9/18/07 12:13 P

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Was it the Microbiotic Diet? That's the one that Gilda Radner used when she was so ill. Here is a web address that talks about it.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Microbiotic-Di
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A-Low-Fat-Way-of-Dieting&id=117666

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9/18/07 9:47 A

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I listen to Jimmy Moore's podcast for motivation, though i don't agree to going into ketosis (very low carbs). It doesn't sound like the "natural" thing to make your body do. He also stated that you will have leg cramps when you go low-low, and will have to supplement. I have leg cramps in hot weather and supplement with potassium, so don't want any more leg cramps! I can't keep on extreme diets...so I have no trouble to NOT even wanting to try it. I believe in moderation...healthy...a plan that can last for life, and be used anywhere. Does anyone remember the "micro" something diet from years ago....that only let you eat brown rice and vegetbles...as a cure- all for cancer. Very extreme, but I guess when you are desperate, you will try anything.


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9/18/07 8:30 A

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ISMENT2B it was clear from the title of your thread that you were not recommending this plan. It is an informative site and hopefully will educate people that might be considering something that drastic!



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9/17/07 11:30 P

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She doesn't live that far from me and from what I found, just by a simple search, (no money involved) she's moved a lot.
6 Addresses in VICTORVILLE, CA
3 Addresses in HESPERIA, CA
2 Addresses in TORRANCE, CA
1 Address in CORONA, CA
I did find one more in Corona than the one listed.
I haven't lived in that many places in my whole life!
My husband is right, I AM nosy!

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9/17/07 7:41 P

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I want to be clear that I would NEVER think of trying this diet. I just wanted to put it out there as a "heads up" if anyone was thinking about it. I believe everything in life should be done in moderation.

You shouldn't have to sacrifice your health under any circumstances.

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9/17/07 7:32 P

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I read the info on the link including the blogs from previous Kimkin employees. I agree with Cindy it is a VLCD not low carb. The only time I followed a similar plan (Bernstein) I lasted less than 3 weeks. I had no energy to exercise and as many of you know it is an intregal part of my life. I was not willing to give it up as they suggested, while following their super low cal diet.

Please do not try this plan!

Maria

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It doesn't matter how many times you begin again. It only matters that you begin again.

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F. Scott Fitzgerald

"Do not fear mistakes, there are none."
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"I have not failed, I have just found 10,000 ways that don't work."
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9/17/07 3:55 P

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Well I was actually hoping to avoid this topic on here....but yea, the Kimkins plans themselves are not good plans and are potentially dangerous. The additional "support" and "encouragement" to go even lower on calories just makes the whole thing scary!!

And then there's Kimmer, who appears to be a scam artist.

I've blogged on the subject twice:
http://cindyslowcarblife.blogspot.com/20
07/09/my-review-of-kimkins-as-posted-o
n-bbb.html
http://cindyslowcarblife.blogspot.com/20
07/09/kimkins-survivors.html

I'm a moderator on Jimmy Moore's site and there are many members on there that have been on Kimkins. It's very sad, they are afraid to eat, afraid to trust and they feel like they have been taken advantage of (they have).

When I first heard about Kimkins I thought it was a bad idea as it was described as low carb with lower fat intake. But this is NOT a low carb diet....this is a Very Low Calorie Diet (VLCD) that happens to restrict carbs and far to keep the calories low. These plans do NOT follow any of the accepted "rules" of almost all low carb plans....and in fact these plans actively go against the accepted low carb rules.

It does look like Kimmer (aka Heidi Diaz of Carona California) is now being investigated. It seems that she is morbidly obese and has lied about many other things. (Apparently she has also been sent money for non-existant foster children...money raised on her site by faithful members)

Two other quick points.
1. I have learned that Women's World has said that they do little investigating on their stories, but simply print what they feel is popular and new....so beware of anything you rad in this magazine.
2. Look for and read any article by Laura Dolson on About.com. Laura really does understand low carb and it's effect on blood sugar, insulin resistance, etc. She's fantastic!!

Cindy Moore

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Palindromic Rheumatoid Arthritis diagnosed September 2007

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9/17/07 2:19 P

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There was a diet in Women's World several months ago called Kimkins which is a very low carb, low fat diet. Here is a link that discourages use of the diet which makes some very valid points.

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/popular
dietplans/a/kimkinsdiet_2.htm?nl=1

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