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you got to go with common sense and what is right for you. I breezed through menopause thanks to the soy products I used. A glass of organic Soymilk daily. When my bone density was tested several years ago, I was in the good range for my age.
I stopped drinking soymilk because breakfast patterns changed. On a recent bon scan test I was shocked to get an osteopenia rating. I have to wonder if I was not getting enough calcium etc. Supplements are just that, not addtion not a replacement for the real food.
For some specific health issues, soy should be avoided but for others, I think it is beneficial.
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I thought I'd add this thoughtful article re: soy I just got from one of my more "balanced" favorite sites. (They are not fans of my more "radical" favorite sites.)

I can tell you that I know men who have grown breasts from having soy (too much apparently), and my celiac MIL's breasts got hard and sore after drinking soy protein shakes for breakfast. DANGERKITTEN, you are so right: soy is not for everyone, just as some foods are not. The article mentions faulty thinking re: soy links to early puberty ... and I can't help but think it's grains and sugars affecting our insulin. When I changed from a gluten-eater to a gfeater :), my TOM came two weeks early (never before or since). I always thought that was interesting.

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What you say about (not buying) soy issues could also be said about wheat/gluten. My family, or a lot of people I share celiac info with CANNOT, for the life of them, believe it can cause ALL THOSE problems!

I agree with what you're saying. Not everyone has problems with soy. But we have to share info on it nonetheless so people can be aware. It might help them.

From what I understand the Japanese traditionally eat fermented soy products - and in small amounts. I believe their health is good because of the vegetables more than the soy. :)

Re: your peeve. Another topic for the genome project? lol (I have very good smell also - I can smell a smoker from a mile away in a car driving down the street!)

My naturopath asks that all patients please not wear perfumes for just this reason. Then when I visited her, her office was inundated with the scent of the soy candles she sells! It was awful! lol

"chemical soup" - great use of words! I like it.

Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 11/13/2007 (01:12)
KNOWLEDGE = POWER. BODY = TEMPLE. FOOD = MEDICINE. PREVENTION IS THE CURE. YOU ARE WHAT YOU ABSORB!
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Well....
I've been eating soy since my twenties. Now in my mid 50's, I just had a bone scan for osteoporosis. The results, bone density of a twenty year old, well actually better, I'm off the charts.

My mom has thyroid disease, but I don't. They constantly check me for it.

Soy helps me control my menopausal symptoms, hot flashes, night sweats, etc. My mood is better, I feel better.

The Japanese have been eating soy/tofu for eons, and until they started eating more western diets, didnt have the health issues we have. I do take issue with GMO Soy...they shouldnt be messing with it!

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy all the anti-soy stuff that I keep seeing. I believe all foods have the capacity to make some people, very ill. I didn't have soy growing up, but I believe Celiac caused me to be one of the shortest in my family...my sibs dwarf me.

We all have different genetic makeups that do better or worse on some foods. Some day when the genome project is farther along, we may know what those are, but for now, its our fate to figure it all out on our own.

I do agree on one thing however...Our culture does depend on too few foods for the majority of the diet, soy among them, wheat, corn, milk, etc.

My peeve:
I'm allergic to perfume, scents, etc...But am surrounded by a culture that has to chemically scent every single product out there! What does that do to little children growing up in the chemical soup? They have no option to decline the air they breath.
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and the opinion of a few others. I've written about this in my blog, but who reads that!? lol I was perusing SP pages and lumped into a thread about soy. Since BigBones brought it up (was it?), I'm spreading more soy info (against soy, so if you're FOR soy, you need to speak up)!

I've talked with SP's "Enerji" before about PCOS - she's all about PCOS like I am about celiac - and somewhere we connect, I just don't have the understanding quite yet. Anyway, I'll give the link to the SP thread at the end of this particular post from Enerji regarding soy because I believe it (you know how I feel about the Top Allergens required for food labels: OVERUSED in our society!) That's why I'm trying to eat different foods to shock my system! lol The other day I had a papaya and it was good. I need to do that more often. And her opening paragraph makes me want to start a different thread about phytic acids or oxolates, too!

Anyway:

Soy Dangers Summarized
SOY DANGERS:

High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.


Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic orders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.


Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.


Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.


Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body’s requirement for B12.


Soy foods increase the body’s requirement for vitamin D.


Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.


Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.


Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and added to many soy foods.


Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.

SOY INFANT FORMULA — BIRTH CONTROL PILLS FOR BABIES

Babies fed soy-based formula have 13,000 to 22,000 times more estrogen compounds in their blood than babies fed milk-based formula.


Infants exclusively fed soy formula receive the estrogenic equivalent of at least five birth control pills per day.


Male infants undergo a “testosterone surge” during the first few months of life, when testosterone levels may be as high as those of an adult male. During this period, baby boys are programmed to express male characteristics after puberty, not only in the development of their sexual organs and other masculine physical traits, but also in setting patterns in the brain characteristic of male behavior.


Pediatricians are noticing greater numbers of boys whose physical maturation is delayed, or does not occur at all, including lack of development of the sexual organs. Learning disabilities, especially in male children, have reached epidemic proportions.


Soy infant feeding—which floods the bloodstream with female hormones that inhibit testosterone—cannot be ignored as a possible cause for these tragic developments. In animals, soy feeding indicates that phytoestrogens in soy are powerful endocrine disrupters.


Almost 15 percent of white girls and 50 percent of African-American girls show signs of puberty such as breast development and pubic hair, before the age of eight. Some girls are showing sexual development before the age of three. Premature development of girls has been linked to the use of soy formula and exposure to environmental estrogens such as PCBs and DDE.



LAXTEX SENSITIVE Cross-Reactive Allergens
There is a list of foods a latex sensitive person may have an allergic reaction to. They include bananas, mangos, avocados, chestnuts, kiwi fruit, apples, carrots, celery, papaya, kiwi, potatoes, tomatoes, melon, and possibly pears, peaches, cherries, pineapple, strawberries, figs, grapes, apricots, passion fruit, rye, hazel nuts, walnuts, soy beans, and peanuts.

The latex-sensitive individual is at a greater danger of anaphylactic food reactions than the general population, or even the atopic population. For this reason, it is suggested that a latex-sensitive individual be tested for food allergens. Other cross-reactive allergens to latex include wheat, grass, ragweed, and mugwort.

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For more discussion you can read this SP thread: tinyurl.com/yvwo3l



Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 11/13/2007 (01:11)
KNOWLEDGE = POWER. BODY = TEMPLE. FOOD = MEDICINE. PREVENTION IS THE CURE. YOU ARE WHAT YOU ABSORB!
One person's food is another person's poison.
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CD stories: bit.ly/cdstories
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