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6/3/07 12:09 P

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http://jccglutenfree.googlepages.com/denta
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http://tinyurl.com/yq9hev

A bevy here of info, Pye. Can't wait to read what she has to say!

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5/29/07 8:04 A

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Holy! You got me thinking now! My daughter who is doing the paper is the one who just had the biopsy done and awaiting for results, PLUS, she was a huge thumb sucker until the age of 4. At that time, the dentist had to put a "crib" in her mouth to stop the thumb sucking because she did it 23 hours a day and within 6 months had done so much damage to her teeth! The dentist told us he had never had to put a 'crib' in a child's mouth who was so young, therefore he had a problem doing it and fitting her with the device. That is so interesting. When she is done the paper, I'll get her to send it to me via email and forward it on to you.

Thanks, once again, for the info. Very interesting.

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5/28/07 2:32 P

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THANK *YOU* PYE! I would LOVE to read it when she's done! Does she want pics with that? There should be a reference book about celiac/teeth for all dentists/orthodontists, etc. I "met" a woman from an OH support group looking for pics because her grandchildren had brown rings on their teeth. She suspected they (and her dubious probable celiac son) have celiac, but the mom's a nurse and is not convinced. She had a hard time finding a pic.

I used to work for an orthodontist - I try to tell him when I talk to him now about celiac since I've been diagnosed (long distance occasional conversations, so it's hard to bring this up all the time!) and he, I think, really doesn't know how to fit this into his care. They're not taught this type of thing. I *think* he thinks it's not his job! I may be naive, but I think of him as a doctor and a doctor should help.

I remember one parent bringing in her son who would only eat mac & cheese and had obvious AS symptoms, but he wasn't diagnosed as such, and I hadn't been diagnosed and didn't see the connection between his diet, probable condition, and teeth. I wish I could go back and talk to her now! She was beside herself not knowing what to do for him because he was rigid. And the doc certainly didn't offer suggestions either. What a missed opportunity! Why couldn't he make suggestions? I just don't understand.

One of my favorite patients was a chiropractor - elderly guy, thin, and gray teeth. After I moved, the Doc told me after I told him of my diagnosis, that this chiropractor had just been diagnosed also! I said: "Of course! He has gray mangled teeth!"

I met another celiac at the health food store: gray mangled teeth. They looked like they were rotting in his mouth. It's so freakin' sad!

My story:
Grew up with white bread and iceberg lettuce salads w/tomato, canned green beans, which I wouldn't eat. Canned corn, carrots and zucchini (bread!) I would. Mom baked bread when I was young (gone in a day or two!) My grandmother was a baker and we loved her sweet breads and cakes. Good memories. Loved mac & cheese and Hamburger Helper dinners. Didn't like meat or eggs. Ate cereal, oatmeal and Cream of Wheat for bfast. Would eat hot dogs. I was a big milk drinker and fruit eater. I learned about osteoporosis at age 12 and made a point to drink a lot of milk so I wouldn't get it! Point: picky eater and not very nourished! (and I HAVE ostepenia!)

Dental exams as a child in Canada: always had cavities, so I have a mouthful of silver metal fillings.

I have 2 retained baby teeth. (My undiagnosed mom was born with E & F teeth! My daughter has retained baby teeth. My undiagnosed SIL has retained baby teeth - my MIL is celiac and has dentures. I don't know how this is connected, but I think it's interesting.)

In my early 20s in the early 80s, I learned more about nutrition and went to whole grain breads - which at the time was hard to find. I ate more veggies and fruits, but still regular pasta. Had my wisdom teeth pulled. Start of root canals and crowns. Love nitrous oxide!

I have white spots on tooth #8. I have a space between #s 5 & 6 and 11 & 12 (I've read that's a "tell" for celiac, but can't remember source).

I have gingivitis despite regular brushing & flossing. It seems better since gf diet, but I also have different hygienist with different opinion?

Here's a dental chart for anyone wanting to number their teeth: http://tinyurl.com/38xola


This article might be of interest to her: (see #7)
http://www.montanaceliacsociety.com/phys
manual.htm
or
http://tinyurl.com/2j4jca

If I find more info I will send PM.

P.S. I also had what I now know was trichotillomania. I liked to pull my hair between my fingers (which produced some balding areas/thinness). I also sucked my thumb til I was around 12! I bit my nails til I was around 18. I NOW think this was anxiety induced by lack of nutrients. I'd always attributed it to the fact that I grew up in an alcoholic home, and my dad was stressful to live around.

Oh, and regarding thumbsucking! What *if* thumbsuckers have anxiety issues and had blood labs done for possible malabsorption problems/gluten sensitivities? You should see the contraptions orthodontists use to help prevent thumbsucking - medieval torture devices or Hannibal Lecter comes to mind. And it's socially embarrassing!

I also had recurrent canker sores (another sign of nutrient deficiencies.)

I had sore muscles/muscle aches or "growing pains"/restless leg syndrom - anemia related.


Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 5/29/2007 (11:54)
KNOWLEDGE = POWER. BODY = TEMPLE. FOOD = MEDICINE. PREVENTION IS THE CURE. YOU ARE WHAT YOU ABSORB!
One person's food is another person's poison.
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Celiac Disease: An autoimmune reaction from eating gluten grains: wheat, rye, barley and contaminated oats=nutrient deficiency=cancer. Have 1 of 300 symptoms? bit.ly/cdsymptoms
CD stories: bit.ly/cdstories
Nutrition/Cancer: bit.ly/Quillinnutrition


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5/28/07 11:57 A

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Hi everyone. My daughter is finishing up a 2.5 yr program at a college for dental hygiene and in a month or so, will be handing in an assignment on celiacs and how the diet - both as undiagnosed and diagnosed celiacs- suffer with any problems with their teeth. After vomiting 'bad' food up for years and being malnourished, our teeth have taken a beating - at least for some of us. Does anyone want to tell their story about being a celiac and what problems/concerns they have with their teeth? have you raised your concerns to your dentist, but he/she doesn't believe there is a relationship between the diet and any problems with your teeth? Let me know! She is looking for any problems to discuss in her paper. Her instructor is looking forward to her paper because as long as she's been teaching, the students have all done the same papers on "regular" people etc. So having a different story and examples to tell should be interesting.

Thanks Dot for the idea.

Thanks for your help/stories.

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5/23/07 4:36 P

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I was in the same boat until I started seeing a nutritionist, and now I am taking a few vitamins: Essential Fatty Acids, a multi, B 100's, digestive enzyme, and most importantly a flora called Sacro B. these have made life more bearable. the Sacro B has been my saving grace. The only way to explain it is that my stomach was like a pot of water on a slow boil...after a few days (3) of taking sacro B, (which is the type of flora, not a brand name) my stomach feels like no one turned the heat on under the pot. I am no longer paranoid of any cross contamination in my own house. it is not cheap, but if you see a nutritionist they may be able to get you a couple of free samples like I did.

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5/15/07 12:22 P

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Hiya Dots =)

I wasn't exposed to flouridated water until adulthood, but I did use a toothpaste that contained flouride and would receive bi-yearly flouride treatments at the dentist. I have Hashimotos, Celiac and Lupus.

As a child I had a cavity every time I visited the dentist. I brushed 3 - 4 times daily and flossed at each brushing. It did no good.

As an adult, I have had all those fillings replaced. I have white spots in front and dark spots in back that cannot be removed. I drink coffee and eat a lot of berries, but do not smoke. I had assumed food staining was normal.

In the past 4 years I have had three teeth crack and fall apart. That means three root canals... I'm just getting the first one crowned now. The others are still temps. I'm so bad. lol I am still an obsessive/compulsive brusher and flosser, especially with the added dental work, and it still seems to do no good. I guess I wouldn't have any teeth left if that really was the case.

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I've had at least 3 root canals. 2 as a teen, 1 as an adult, and another that was a re-do of a previous. The dentist was a quack, and I eventually had to have the tooth pulled (yes, still had to pay for the bad root canal). When I could eventually afford it, I had an implant put in it's place. I got cavities as a kid, but not so in adulthood. My enamel is normal, and people comment on how white my teeth are, though I don't think they are all that white. A gal at work who I think has cd has very awful front teeth. They are brown and white marbled looking, if that makes sense.

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I have a ton of cavities. I didn't have many as a kid but as an adult I have a cavity pretty much every time I go to the dentist. It's ridiculous. I didn't drink fluoridated water for most of my childhood b/c we were on a well.

My teeth aren't really discolored but they aren't really white either. When I was younger I had white spots on my front teeth. In recent years my teeth have become sensitive to cold and sugar.

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Hi Dot. My teeth are really good actually. I have a lot of fillings, but that was due to the fact our parents never took us to the dentist as kids. Since becoming an adult, I haven't had any more fillings. I had a root canal for tooth pain they couldn't diagnose but the dentist was a quack and did a bad job on the root canal, so had to have it done again years later. A few years ago I just finally asked the doctor to pull the tooth and put in a bridge. It took a few months for the pain to subside, but it is completly gone now and I am completely happy I made that decision. The bridge is just the one tooth and it looks like all my other teeth. My teeth are straight, never had braces, and have some staining, but that is due to eating food (apparently we need this for survival) and drinking tea.

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5/11/07 10:57 A

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I posted this to the thyroid forum because someone posted something about fluoride being the root cause of tooth discoloration (or I looked it up in Mary Shomon's Living with Hypothyroidism book, and that's why she thinks it's so). I have to wonder if it's not celiac or nutrient deprivation related, so wondered if you all would mind sharing your answers to the following query (pls mention if you have any other autoimmune disorders besides celiac):

My post to the thyroid forum:

"How many of us with thyroid disorders of any kind have discolored teeth (in any way)? And have you ingested fluoridated water in utero and/or afterwards.

Any of these (or add your own):

Brown spots or rust colored stains?
Chalkiness/opaque blotching?
White spots?
Yellow or gray coloration?
Missing enamel?
Surface pitting?
Brittleness/chipping?
How many fillings or root canals?
Crowns? Bridges?
Dentures?
Baby teeth?
Sensitivities?

I have fairly white teeth in front, yellow teeth toward the back, and white spots on one of my front teeth. I have hypothyroidism.

My sister has very yellow teeth and a white strip on one of her front teeth. She does not have thyroid disorders.

My mother had her teeth pulled at age 17 and has worn dentures ever since. She is of Welsh/Irish descent."


KNOWLEDGE = POWER. BODY = TEMPLE. FOOD = MEDICINE. PREVENTION IS THE CURE. YOU ARE WHAT YOU ABSORB!
One person's food is another person's poison.
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Celiac Disease: An autoimmune reaction from eating gluten grains: wheat, rye, barley and contaminated oats=nutrient deficiency=cancer. Have 1 of 300 symptoms? bit.ly/cdsymptoms
CD stories: bit.ly/cdstories
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