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I am finding that to be true Laura. I am currently following Primal Blueprint and feeling good about it. I am less hungry and my body seems to be saying "Ahh thanks! We are home!".

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I eat minimal grains. The human body doesn't actually NEED grain to be healthy. Wew will do just fine (and better) without it.

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After getting a chance to review the articles and posts, I think that people should beware their reactions to all grains. There really is an argument that any grain could cause a reaction because they all have different forms and levels of proteins and gluten and we may react to any or all of them. Currently I am grain free for different reasons, but when I eat a grain again I will definitely take note of my response.

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The adrenal glands get challenged when too much stress occurs, as in ongoing IBS, Celiac, and other food intolerance gut disorders. The immune system is fed off the calories provided by the gut. The gut is considered the second brain. When the system is challenged the selection of good foods you should eat will diminish; which one do “I” need to curtail, you ask? Everyone is different. And discovering and knowing which ones to limit or avoid is a key to faster improvement; if it is possible. The book written by Dr Wilson: Adrenal Fatigue, The stress syndrome of the 21st century; well explains this philosophy. As many as 80% of us will over extend at sometime in life; some more than once; I read this book that details some of the body steps necessary for recharge and recovery that most doctors do not know or follow for their own health. Some people never make it back to their fill energy potential, some only partially (as in chronic fatigue syndrome or post traumatic stress disorder) illness remains constant. Find out how to be safe with your own energy or suffer for life the consequences that knowing how may prevent, correct or achieve retention of what is left.

Another source of information is the elimination diet/rotation diet. The facts of all the efforts put into a journal by using the elimination diet does assist me in finding the true causes of my own no-no’s; these are my no-no’s beyond gluten-free. It does take discovery to implement recovery and reading can help find potential causes in similar people. How it does relate to yourself is where those details and facts fit into your choices are the moments of discovery for a real recovery, not just well read unrelated collection of ‘what ifs’.

Reading and writing have been tools to get to a better me; Good Luck; Happy Hunting. It is often what is not in a food that pleases me instead of pain relievers and medicines after the fact. It is the knowing what I can eat that prevents energy loss and life distractions of pain and social information limits can be overcome by simple winning steps. These are the steps that lab results will show the winning or losing progress.

Dr. James Wilson's Adrenal Fatigue
www.adrenalfatigue.org/ / - 30k - Similar Pages AdrenalFatigue.org - A resource on adrenal fatigue causes, symptoms, side effects, and support recommendations. Created by Dr James Wilson ND. DC. PhD.
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My food has changed gradually and then when I know what to avoid it changed drastically. I worked to ensure nutritional support after the loss of foods. I only give up what I had to by effort and results from me, my journal and feelings, and the doctors’ allergy and blood tests. I must avoid most grains. I can have quinoa, amaranth, millet, and rices of black, brown and red. It did not take an ELSA to discover what I can have. Allergy tests just verified what I felt did hurt or harm.

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Thanks for the info and as others said is to check out the info for yourself and it is great that others here will put info here for us to check out.

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Thanks for the additional information Oakrun and Barndweller! I don't have time to look at it just now but definitely will look at those sites!

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Some of you might be interested in this Dr's take on grains.

http://towncenterwellness.com/about-2/me
dia/

He has some very informative videos and forums that might help make it a little more clear why some of us cannot tolerate any grains. This information was very helpful as I still have issue even after being gluten free for 3+ years. I felt better but it sure seemed like I was missing something.

He does a very good job of explaining that every grain has a different type of gluten in it. He even shows the amounts of gluten's in each grain. Rice has the lowest gluten count it also has a different type of gluten that is tolerated better by most of us celiac diagnosed patients. Reading through and watching his videos has helped me get a better understanding of why I am still having issues and what I can do about it. This is my simplified version of his findings. If you are at all interested in this topic take the time to read through his site!

Although I was hesitant at first to go without grains all together the way I feel made it well worth it. There are so many recipes out there. If I could learn to cook Gluten free I had no doubt I could learn grain free cooking as well. Just like with GF it isn't simple and cut and dry and sometimes I have to try recipes a few times to perfect them but overall I am enjoying how I feel and learning a lot.

I also like the idea that if one of my kids ends up with this I am ahead of the game and can help them transition so much easier than my transition was.
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Healthy Barb, I can assure you that Tillamook cheese is made of cows milk so would have casein. It might be vegetarian but is definitely not vegan. I'm about 1 - 1 1/2 hours from Tillamook and have been to the factory many times. And have eaten it all my life. Every time we have a heavy rain the cow fields flood and end up with floating cows.

Tillamook cheese can be found across the country, where all I don't know but I have a friend in Atlanta and has it there.

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Wow! Lots of good info for those who continue to have issues when they just go gluten free....I too had to go off additional things...eggs, dairy and even found out I was allergic to bananas...thanks for sharing. Barb

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Anyone who's done research on Celiac's disease knows that there is a percentage of Celaics who do not see huge improvements in their health after going strict GF. If a person gets significant improvement and feel great by simply going gluten-free, that's wonderful. Going gluten-free and using alternate grains is much easier now than 20 years ago and many non-celiacs are finding a GF diet to be beneficial for their health. There are lots of non-gluten options for breads, flours, etc. It's time consuming to be GF but if the payoff is good health then that's the choice to be made.

Some of us find that strict GF is only part of their health answer. Casein intolerance is a common secondary allergy for those with gluten intolerance (check PubMed articles, nu,erous Celiac sites). Sometimes a person can resume eating casein after a year or more on a GFCF diet, though most do not.

Celiac's is an autoimmune disorder. It's not too much of a stretch that some people who react to gluten will also be reactive to additional grains, and that's what the latest published scientific research is indicating. A percentage of Celiacs and some gluten intolerant folks, (not all), will react to some or all the grains recommended as alternative grains in Celiac diets. People who don't improve on a GF diet might need to consider excluding more grains. I believe that rice is about the only grain allowed on an allergy elimination test diet, and there's probably a good reason for that grain limitation.

I happen to be one of those people who reacts to practically all grains. Going simply GF was not enough to show significant health improvement. I find that the Paleo Diet - which excludes all grains, all dairy, legumes (from dried beans) and focuses on fresh foods - vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, poultry, grass-fed beef, as the best fit for me. It's GFCF by default. But not everyone will want to eat 'Paleo' since you have to relearn a lot about cooking and dont use processed foods. On the other hand, my overall health is improving though I know I still have more research to do. Dr. Loren Cordain's books and web site are a good place to start learning about Paleo diets.

Cordain's research brought him to the conclusion that grains create all sorts of problems for human digestion. He's not alone in that conclusion. Dr. Mercola, the SCD diet, Ron Hoggan and numerous others also look at grains as problematic for human consumption.

Here's the link to the actual study mentioned by Gluten Society:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2
0650871
which didn't actually pose the idea that other grains were involved in Celiacs. However, research is also being done on cross contamination between various grains marketed to consumers:
www.kelownaceliac.org/2011/01
/12/pilot
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tamin
ated/
and there is some definite concern in the scientific community that the 'traditional' recommendations that Celiacs can eat anything but wheat, rye, barley and oats has never actually been studied in depth. After all, 100 years ago you simply got sicker and died.

By the way, I noted at Kelownaceliac.org that their alerts included a 2010 notice from Lipton's, "The Knorr Vegetable Soup Mix and the Lipton Onion Soup Mix have recently undergone a reformulation to reduce the sodium content by 25% as compared to the original recipe. As a result, in order to preserve the same great taste, one of the changes unfortunately included a change to a barley based yeast extract."

Just FYI, gotta watch everything all the time!


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Tilamook cheese is made in Tilamook Oregon and is available where I live on the west coast. They have a cheese factory that you can tour and yummy cheese. You can look them up online. Barb

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Where do you find the Tillamook cheese?

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Boy it is amazing how we have to check out so many other things when we find out about celiac. I am currently gluten free and had to be completely dairy and egg free for 1 1/2 years before introducing back in eggs in my baking and some cheese. I buy only Tillamook cheese now as my Vegan Neice told me that it was casein free and she eats it... I don't get sick from it... As my gut has healed with no gluten now for 3+ years I find that I have less reactions to other things but I am still very careful. I am able to eat gluten free oats and am so thankful that they don't bother me. I agree that each person is so different and that we have to each walk on our own path and do what is best for our own bodies....Keep going one meal at a time everyone....we can do this! Smiles Barb

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LOSING IT there is free info online about the Specific Carbohydrate diet. I saw food lists and everything as part of some other site I was on, cant remember which. I am also casein free most of the time. I struggle with it more than gluten! I love my cheese! I find that lactose free products and pills do nothing for me that is why I think it is the casein. I do tolerate it better after a year GF, but still not well. Look for anything with the word casein in it...like sodium caseinate. It is in a lot of things like lunch meats, hot dogs, nondairy creamers and cheese substitiutes. Helps to look for Vegan items this will exclude any casein.

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Doc Mercola also has a No Grains Diet book. I got it from my library.

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I stopped drinking milk for a month and had more energy. Now I find that anything with dairy right now makes me sick to my stomach. I had only a little dairy today and ended up throwing up. :( I will cut out all dairy for a month and gradually reintroduce things. Thanks. I know there is something called the Specific Carb Diet I wonder if this program the no grains thing has something to do with that? I know it is $69 dollars that I just don't have right now.

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I think the best way to tell if it makes a difference is to eliminate something (dairy) from your diet for at least 2-4 weeks and then reintroduce it and see what happens. I definitely need to eliminate all dairy. It makes a big difference for me. I think I am going to try to go grain free and see if that makes a difference when I reintroduce rice

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I find it very interesting! I've been gluten free for 3 years however I still have a lot of health problems like fatigue and brain fog. I wish I could try this program. I have been told to cut out dairy I want to cut out Casein and try to go GF CF for sometime. Is anyone else here Casein Free and can they tell me how they knew that was the way to go for them ? Also how to start? I have my Living Without magazine open here and I see a huge list of products I have never heard of like Ghee.

Thank you all!

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I agree with those saying we shouldn't accept blindly everything we read. That is why I brought it up as a topic for discussion here, to see what others thought about it. I did not post this as a statement but a question.

BEE I don't think I am scaring anyone posting a question for discussion.

I am still mulling this over myself. I have not been eating any grains lately but I will definitely look for signs of trouble the next time I do. I think if there is anything we can all learn from this it is to be aware of how things may affect us that we didn't think of.

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Thanks for sharing... and I disagree with BEESPARKLE. Cindy, knowledge is power. You GO girl!

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This is a very interesting article. However, at the Christian Cancer Support Group I go to the doctor who was the guest speaker this month said not to go to take the internet as gospel truth. I think this go for being gluten-free also. Each person is different--what affects one person does not affect another person. I cannot eat corn or potatoes because I am also a Diabetic and especially potatoes actually contains a lot of sugar. Corn bloats up my stomach. Some people who are gluten-free do not have problems with corn or potatoes. Even though I really think it is good to read articles, I think people who try to see what works for them and what does not. This is only my opinion. I do think it was an interesting article though.
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Cindy, that article is interesting and I think it would be beneficial if all the grains were tested. I also agree that different people might react to different types of grrains, but if Celiac sufferers are actually reacting as a group, well that is a different story. I eat a lot of corn products.

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The article is very interesting. Since I know I react to corn and millet, I am wondering if I would feel better if I also gave up rice for a while to see if it makes a difference. I think it is definitely worth a try to find out. (I'm pretty sure it would help with weight loss.)

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I think you should not rattle the fence too much. We are all in here to learn. An article like this is can scare the jibes out of new comers. If you read every article you see on the net or in a magazine. One would never eat a solitary food.

I have read magazines. Do not B.Q it gives you cancer and it just goes on and on.
You do have to try food and everyone body is different. What is good for one is not for another. Mothers who have children maybe this article is beneficial.

You have that with doctors. One is for G.free another is not.

You have to go and do where your heart tells you. For sure pray about it. Not go in with all two hands. Buying everything off the shelf.

Others may not agree with me. This is only my opinion how I feel while I read it. . I do not mean to be scarecrow in the field . It just frightens me to read all that is in the websites. When one is believing in the right G.free and narrow path for healing the body..

I have found some not beneficial for me. Then we are all different. Some people can not eat cheese or dairy products. Simple as that.


Thanks for sharing. To some this article may be just what they want to hear,



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