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2/11/10 10:14 P

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I just had my Vitamin D levels tested and they are normal, but on the lower end.

I was actually reading an article today that said women who are pregnant need to supplement vitamin D, as it helps to prevent preterm labor, and other pregnancy complications. It seems like a miracle vitamin. I am currently taking about 400 to 800 IU daily.

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1/20/10 4:02 P

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emoticon bit.ly/5w2SAB from womentowomen.com - the docs there explain the ABCs of vit D testing. GREAT source of info. In case you don't read it, I thought this was important to copy here:

" However, we do want you to be aware that there are some precautions regarding vitamin D supplementation. If you have any health condition that predisposes you to high calcium in the blood (hypercalcemia),you should not take vitamin D except under the watchful care of a healthcare provider. These conditions include but are not limited to:

hyperparathyroidism
granulomatous disease
sarcoidosis
Lyme disease
lymphoma
kidney disease

It also includes anyone taking the diuretic known as hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ), a “water pill” drug used to treat high blood pressure and fluid retention caused by a range of conditions, including heart disease."

FERRET - I'm SOO glad you got tested, esp being up there in the NW! I hope you feel a difference; come back and let us know how you're getting on, k?

MARGIE - hmmm, absorption factor for vitamin D: good question. Via sunshine, skin condition/age does matter. Via supplements, condition of digestive surface matters for assimilation.

I have to get back to you, gotta get.

Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 1/20/2010 (16:07)
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1/18/10 11:43 P

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Oh Teach 52, my mention of the source has been a sweet theme on Dots Page for a while now. I just had enough time one day to followed her lead for comment! Come on along! You may experience the methods of the body rhythms for healing and discovering a better self, I do. The average body can only absorb about 600mg of calcium in a 3-6 hour time window. What is the absorbsion factor for Vitamin D?

Hi Bailey, May I suggest an estimate from lab companies? You may corner the market on less- expensive medical information. I think your health is worth the fingers do the walking game for a chance to get back a penny. Then you can have the last word! Usually I do not have that penny, I understand, my last test took 41/2 months to save for answers. As long as I had the requested facts at visit and often requested 2 wks before the appointed time, I had an option of costs and shipping. It is not an overnight lab plan.

Swallowing vitamin D and calcium tablets is not just a matter of putting it in; the digestive system still has to work on it. My big problem in the past was a love of coffee. This beverage hot or iced alters the effectiveness for the body to use the nutrients so they pass on through. I love the healthier hipbones and stronger teeth by giving my body the opportunity to replenish. In addition, I love the pain relief characteristics that accompany a supporting vitamin and mineral program. My D is 400mg D3; the calcium I use is a citrate and my magnesium is too, as clean as I can get (no buffers, no enteric coating, no sugars, no color or flavors). I dislike carbonates in my vitamins.


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1/18/10 11:30 P

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DOTS - mi lady, you are always so very timely!

My panel just came back with the Vit D at 31 (too low). I take same brand you do for the same reason but at 400IU which seems very low after reading this discussion (seriously?!?).

Doc kicked it up to 800IU and also mentioned that because we live at sea level, we are not going to benefit from the full strength of the sun. Hadn't heard that one but it makes logical sense. Doc also mentioned there is a max amount the body can absorb of any supplement just because of the other things that go into it daily - water, carbs, fat, protein - they all help absorb vitamins (or not) depending.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting that my labs came back shortly ago with a low vit D, and here you are...LOL

I love it - and I brag you up all the time. You and everyone else around here with all your smarts about this stuff.

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1/18/10 2:01 P

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I would have to log into the medical site and find my levels. But it was really close to being where it should be.

He told me to take an over the counter vit D supplement at double the dosage the bottle recommended. That was for one month, then retest, most likely I would be at the right level, then go to normal dose.

so I just did normal dose after the month due to sticker shock of what was covered before no longer being covered. Come spring, I'll get it checked again now that our wellness check up is being covered again!





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1/18/10 1:39 A

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I had to add this from vitamindcouncil.org site re: optimal levels:

"They found that the body does not reliably begin storing cholecalciferol in fat and muscle tissue until 25(OH)D levels get above 50 ng/ml. The average person starts to store cholecalciferol at 40 ng/ml, but at 50 ng/ml virtually everyone begins to store it for future use. That is, at levels below 50 ng/ml, the body uses up vitamin D as fast as you can make it, or take it, indicating chronic substrate starvation—not a good thing. 25(OH)D levels should be between 50–80 ng/ml, year-round."

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Peaches - Yes, that's the test. Sometimes I've seen it "25(OH)D". (The other one (1,25 dehydroxy...) has to do with kidneys - which ARE involved with vitamin D, or the other way around :P).
www.labtestsonline.org/unders
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Remember, if Quest is the lab performing the test, divide results by 1.3 for accurate result. Google "vitamin D testing fraud" for more info.


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Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 1/18/2010 (01:30)
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1/18/10 1:04 A

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I was just reading somewhere that the older you are, the more difficult the production of vitamin D by the sun in our skin. I wish I could give a citation, but the point is, like Margie said, we're hermit crabs for the most part and thus breast, colon, prostate cancers, flu percentages are needlessly higher. Vitamin D helps your immune system. I hesitate to reiterate information on the links provided as it is better expressed by them.

Here's another place I found for testing ($75). Check for more info: ZRT Labs (blot test also, and no "study" participation): www.zrtlab.com/health-care-co
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Bailey - What was your level? It sounds like the doc wanted you on the "Rx" for D which is D2 or ERGOcalciferol. It's synthetic and not as well absorbed as D3, CHOLEcalciferol- hence the high sounding number (50,000iu). You're better served to get over-the-counter oil gelcaps (less $, too).

Speaking of extra medical costs, know that low vitamin D makes your parathyroid overworked, which then affects your calcium metabolism (which has a tightly regulated range); this affects your heart, bones and gut absorption of minerals etc. I stopped taking my D in 2007, by winter I was a depressed mess. Doc sent me for a parathyroid scan (cha-ching$) cause I had lower/low calcium and elevated PTH (parathyroid hormone) -- it was negative and unnecessary. I kept telling him it was likely my low D (which he did test), and it was. I'd have to check what the level was, I don't remember, but calcium went up as I took my D supplements. Low calcium or hypocalcemia symptoms from Merck:

"The calcium level in blood can be moderately low without causing any symptoms. Over time, hypocalcemia can affect the brain and cause neurologic or psychologic symptoms, such as confusion, memory loss, delirium, depression, and hallucinations. These symptoms disappear if the calcium level is restored.

An extremely low calcium level may cause tingling (often in the lips, tongue, fingers, and feet), muscle aches, spasms of the muscles in the throat (leading to difficulty breathing), stiffening and spasms of muscles (tetany), seizures, and abnormal heart rhythms."



Please don't think because you take a calcium, mag, vit D supplement that that's enough- esp without your doctor having checked your vit D level. This may be inadequate.

Please listen to the doctor in the video link, author of The Vitamin D Cure, Dr. Dowd (one of my favorite reads) or read the doctors' info at vitamindcouncil.org !

Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 1/18/2010 (01:56)
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My MD suggested this last year and I had it done. Wake up... Insurance company did not cover, was about $120. ouch. I was only a few % lower than where I should have been. Suggested Vit D supplement and a wild rate for a month, then a recheck.

Personally, I thought the wild rate was too high and then I got the bill and said to myself, I'll just cut back to recommended dose after said time frame and skip the recheck test as then my annual physical bill came in and found out (the hard way) that standard physical stuff was no longer covered 100%.

OUCH. So many people screamed in the office that the wellness benefit if now put back (they never said they were removing it the b*stards).

I might get a Vit D test again in a few months. At least I know I'm looking at about $100 vs $400!





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1/17/10 6:57 P

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Thanks for the web site link Margie - very interesting information!

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1/17/10 6:53 P

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My lab has Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy ... is that the right one to measure?

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Yeah Dots,
I support this thread and I have been tested.

We are a society of cave dwellers!

The indoor environment is usually cleaner with air-controlled temperatures. My dad and sister have skin cancer and my weakened health has me indoors to a detriment to my health. By taking the test, I found out I need a little more. I see and feel better since taking D3 and can avoid infectious contaminants better.

The council is worth a delicious or a favorite web site listing from me!
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1/16/10 11:48 P

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Dorothy, I verified that it was D3, but I never actually took it. but you are absolutely right about D3.

Dotslady, now I remember why they didn't retest in the summer, because I was already in "normal" range. I will definitely have them test that at my yearly this summer.

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The type of D that the doctors would give you is D2 and not D3 which your body has no problems absorbing in. D2 does not get into your body and it is not as good as D3. That is why the doctors would give you a high dose of D because it is D2 and not D3. So make sure that your D is D3 and not D2.

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I'm outside a lot in the summer, and in the spring also. It is just the winter that concerns me. I wonder if my body makes any vitamin D due to using an Ott light (full spectrum light) when I am sewing or quilting. I have never had my levels tested. That sounds like it might be a good idea.

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ILLINITEACHER - I think your supplement sounds absorbable given those are synergistic. I'm not sure about dose. Everyone's different. Have you ever had your base levels tested? How much sun do you get in the summer? The more north you are, the less sun and more health implications. I hope you get tested.

SUN_CLAY - that's a pretty great improvement in your numbers in a short time if you ask me! I'm going for over 70, too, preferably 80. WOO HOO. ;) Did you notice any difference in related symptoms?

Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 1/16/2010 (19:39)
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I will during my yearly this summer. I thought I had them do it one more time this summer, but I don't show it on my records. In february, I was at 20.6, then in april, I was up to 43.7 I really want to be over 70. I am hoping my sun time and supplements help this year.

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Thanks for the information. I wonder about my D levels during the winter. I do take a liquid calcium/magnesium supplement that also has D3 in it (800 IU in 2 Tblsp dosage).
I am hoping that the liquid form is readily absorbed.

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At what point will you retest your levels to see how you're doing? That's very interesting you think it keeps you up ... I'm going to keep that in the back of my mind re: my own issues. Do you have references for that, or is this purely anecdotal?

Re: my supplement, I take Carlson's gel caps and they have a great rep. I have been less consistent with magnesium intake (I use Peter Gillham's mag powder which requires extra steps, so sometimes I'm tired/lazy), so I'll get better about intake to see if that helps absorption. I also MIGHT have leaky gut, not sure. According to vitamindcouncil you're to take 1,000iu/every 25lbs of body weight (all this depends on your starting levels - talk to doctor). I was taking just under. I got as much sun as I could in the summer hoping that would help. Can't imagine what my level'd be like if I weren't doing what I was doing.

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I did not. I upped myself to 3000-4000 IU a day. If I am not careful and take them too late in the day, it keeps me up. so I can only imagine what 50,000 a week (at once) would do.

I am getting more sun, definitely. I still take it, about 2k a day. If you are still struggling to get your numbers up, I don't know where you are buying your D3, but try a coop or a natural food type store. The quality is much better and more pure.

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Hi Melissa, good to hear from you. Did you do the D2 (50,000iu) supplements afterall then? I've read in many places that D3 oil gelcaps are better used by the body - I'm sure you know that, cause I know you know about D. I hope you get more sun down in PI, TX!

I just upped my dose from 8,000iu to 10,000iu daily til next test in about three months. Can't believe my level is STILL under reference range of 50 after 5 months of 8,000iu (most days). You gotta stay on it!

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Vitamin D is so important! I have been taking it for a while, but not enough. my numbers were so low last spring, my doctor wanted to put me on a once a week 50,000IU dose.

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articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/
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If you don't have insurance and want to know your vitamin D level, consider this blot test which costs $60/test twice a year (you sign up to participate in a study)(except NY residents) grassrootshealth.net

(Mercola readers supposedly get a 15% discount, so read the first link to find out further info.)

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More vitamin D info: vitamindcouncil.org
or listen to some info here:
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Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 1/16/2010 (03:33)
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