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9/5/09 12:56 A

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I came across a sourdough starter recently that uses rice flour. If anyone wants it, I can look it up.
I too have to limit my yeast breads so I only use commercially made breads occasionally.
Kinnikinnick has an easy to make mix called Kinni-Kwik Bread and Bun Mix. It is my favourite. I have photos of the buns in my Spark photo gallery. The price is about a 1/3 of buying commercial gf bread and I like it better. It all depends on whether or not the flours used agree with you.
I also make waffles from the recipes in Bette Hagman's cookbooks. The waffle maker paid for itself after 3 batches as Van's and Nature's Path Waffles are $4/box here now.

ps - update Sep 6th - Sourdough starter from RedStar Yeast's and Bob's Red Mill websites and is now posted in our Recipes Forum - Bread & Pizza Topic www.bobsredmill.com/recipes_detail.p
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8/28/09 4:37 P

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If you like Van's waffles, try Nature's Path Organic Buckwheat Wildberry waffles. The texture is so much better and they taste so yummy that you'd never guess they're gluten free. I eat mine with applesause on top instead of maple syrup or sometime with yogurt. They're really good with peanut butter too.

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It is good to hear some of the breads others of you like. I have the Glutino bagels and like them better then any others although they do squeak and my kids make fun of the "sawdust" that is left behind after cutting them since they are pretty dry. If you all have not tried the Ener-G english muffins they do have a very good bread texture and taste good too. I will have to try some of the sandwich breads you all have recommended. thanks!!

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8/26/09 7:53 P

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Maybe because its all new to me--being GF, but I like the Food for Life brown rice bread, the Kinnikinnick english muffins and Gillian's french rolls that I get at Food Lion. and I absolutely love Van's GF waffles. I realize the texture isn't great but they don't cause that God awful reaction that I have when I eat wheat breads. I thought it was a blood sugar problem. For many, many years I would experience these reactions-sudden shakiness, hot, clammy, dizzy, nausea, feed me now before I faint kind of feelings. Like someone just pulled the rug out from under me. Thought for sure it was my blood sugar dropping. But my tests showed my blood sugar is fine. Then I went GF and the "reactions" stopped.
I went to get tested and because I was GF for several weeks before the test we knew it would be negative. The doc said normally he would put me back on gluten for 3 months prior to testing but since I kept a diary of what happens when I started eating wheat 4 days before the test and started having that "reaction" along with other problems/symptoms, he said it was too risky for me to eat wheat again.
The tests showed that I'm deficient in vitamin D but other than that I'm ok. We know differently and I'm never intentionally knowingly eating gluten again.

So under the circumstances and knowing the alternative, I like the GF bread just fine!

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8/26/09 5:40 P

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If I'm using the bread for something sweet (like with peanut butter) I'll use Food for Life rice bread, whichever one happens to be in the freezer. If I'm making a meat type sandwich I'll use Kinnikinnick (sp) Many Wonders or a La Tortilla Sonoma Ivory Teff wrap. I like the glutino bagels for flavor but sometimes they feel 'squeaky' on my teeth and I don't like that! I almost never bake, even before I was GF. I do have a quick quiche (from the recipe on the Gluten Free Pantry Quik Mix package) in the oven right now but that's about as far as it goes.

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Blue - the stories in the INTRO thread are varied, you could read any or a couple; you don't have to read the WHOLE thing. The point about celiac or gluten sensitivity is that there are 250-300 symptoms; A LOT of them disappear on the gf diet (with or w/out the actual celiac "gold standard" diagnosis). The diet helps shore the gut lining for nutrient absorption, and to keep out offending proteins from our bloodstream.

A lot of people have IBS (Constipation, Diarrhea, Alternating) (but not all), they can be misdiagnosed with Crohn's or ulcerative colitis (or have both), gallbladder & liver issues, depression, anxiety, neurological problems, ataxia (unsteady gait), joint and muscle pain, arthritis, "fiber"myalgia, etc., and it's related to other autoimmune conditions. I've read that celiac is the king pin which can set other autoimmune conditions rolling. At the crux of it are food "allergies" or responses and subsequent stress and malnutrition. We're a house of cards unless we stop activating the antigen.

Like I said, I guess I was thinking by reading the INTRO thread, you could see how varied it is in everyone. I'm glad you have a healthy gut! It doesn't hurt to understand this disease as there is likely someone in your life now or later who may benefit from your understanding. Please know that 33% of the population has a sensitivity (as well as the gene for celiac); not everyone has activated the gene (activated by 1) stress, chronic or acute, 2) pregnancy, 3) surgery, or 4) virus. There are 50-60% of those who are asymptomatic. *cough* :P

Short and incomplete synopsis here: digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pu
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Longer synopsis here: www.aafp.org/afp/20021215/2259.html

Don't quote my stats, this is from memory, I don't keep notes and don't want to research. You get the gist.

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Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 8/26/2009 (13:33)
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8/26/09 8:11 A

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I was a sourdough wonder! I was making 4-12 loaves of sourdough per week. I loved it but it stopped loving me. I have not found a flour to replace the yeasty actions and the fluffy characteristics of the great sourdough loaf. I even have some recipes ready for patent. A) The bread industry is a tough battle field with prices per loaf from 3/$1 up to $7/loaf depending on the location and specialty market. I still have a starter life in my freezer 3 years old that I once kept on the counter to stir and feed daily. This is great advice for those who CAN get gluten to be internally kind however…

As a Gluten Free person the loaves with the variety of flours open for selection do not play nice with the ‘air-borne’ yeast that wheat flour has proven to accomplish for centuries. I must not consume Wheat. I must not consume even traces of the once body friendly food. Sorry to burst the bubble of ‘Cels’ but the gluten that it takes to be yeast friendly has not been found by me to be my friend any more! Now if perhaps you know of a recipe without wheat as the yeast growing food in a flour friendly to my current digestive tract then by all means share and I may again be a sourdough wonder.

I am now a gluten-free person and I do eat bread on occasion. I also have a Candida condition and avoid yeast as a staple in my diet. Even yeast in small amounts as in a slice of Food for Life brand bread (my current favorite is the green label almond flour bread with pear juice sweetener) but again eaten sparingly. Due to the energy expenditure required to make a batch of bread I must conserve it for healing and the few slices per week I currently may enjoy has not motivated me to keep failing in making a pretty fluffy loaf of the stuff of dreams that I used to enjoy. I know the properties of a sourdough is an excellent source of pre-botic food stuff and the facts are true when this gluten issue does not harm the gut bacteria is quite friendly. I have high hopes as I have not one but two brown glass jars of yeast in my fridge and will play on a whim with rice, sorghum, buckwheat (as grass seed with a wheat –word in it’s name) flours.
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That intro thread is PAGES long... No Way do I have the time to read that. As to the very first post by you, I've read your story on your page.

If there is something that stands out to you, you like or think is interesting useful, by all means point it out...

I'm sorry I don't have celiac and I tolerate glutens just fine...

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8/26/09 6:50 A

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I agree the bread leaves little to be desired, but if you can find the Glutono's Bagels (not sure about the spelling) I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

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Velmoose/tammy, I am curious what "good" breads you have tried. Truthfully, I have been very frustrated by the breads. I like Ener-g english muffins, about the closet thing I have had so far to bread texture. I absolutely lived on bagels in the past but have found nothing good as a sub and have given up on other sandwich type bread.

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Intro thread: www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/team_mes
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Yes, Paleo is close, but people can stray from Paleo without autoimmune consequences. Paleo is about no grains/beans/legumes/dairy vs gluten-free diet which is about gluten-free grains. GF is strict, 100% gf, or you're NOT on the gf diet (so says Dr. Peter Green, author of Celiac Disease: The Hidden Epidemic).

You might want to read a primer about CD and it's nuances (spectrum) here (lots of reading, so get comfortable. there will be a quiz at the end, ha ha): www.glutensensitivity.net/#zm
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The "primer" is the fourth heading on the left.

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I've thought of trying paleo, isn't that close?

No I haven't had time to read stuff here yet. You have THREE stickied threads, post a link and make it insanely easy for me... he he he

Hey if it sounded like I was stirring something up, I didn't mean to. I'll go sit in the dog house for a while.

Spanked and shamed on my first day, how will I manage. Maybe there's a 12 step program for people like me?

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emoticon Blue - you're stirring it up - lol. And based on what I know, you might wanna try gf lifestyle -- TRY?! I'd be interested to know what your experience would be. Have you read our INTRO thread? Our peeps have varied and asundry issues, you'd be surprised (or not, I'm not sure).

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Truth be told I just thought some of the information was interesting.

I was in no way suggesting anyone eat it...lol

Please excuse me, I'm a celiac/gf idiot.

That is my official title while I'm here where I certainly don't belong...

I just like Dot so much... I joined
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I sure wouldn't try it. Especially now when there are so many decent commercial breads out there that are definitely saft to eat whether you are celiac or 'just' gluten intolerant.

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LOL I haven't a clue about any of it... I tolerate gluten just fine.

I never knew it could take months to make a loaf of bread!
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"6. Produce acids, which will break down and remove 'SOME' of the glutens from the bread."

Sourdough in the traditional or even this "better" sense is NOT safe for a celiac. I can't speak for others and their spectrum of sensitivity. If anyone has tried, please speak up.

I think it's a slippery slope for a celiac to eat this though. I know of celiacs who don't have "symptoms" for years and YEARS KNOWING they're celiac but because their 'overt' symptoms are gone go ahead and eat gluten, then all of a sudden they get symptoms. Their celiac diagnosis did not go away, however, and they were damaging themselves the whole time. I would never ever. Hope that made sense as I kinda rambled.

Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 8/25/2009 (17:33)
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