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hey Dottie!

The only people with "undernourished thyroids" are people who don't have enough iodine in their diet because they don't have a dietary source of it. Our bodies can't make iodine.

I will try to give you a simple overview of the situation. LOL Here goes!

Thyroid hormone is basically a tyrosine based hormone with 1-4 iodine atoms attached to it on various places. Where those iodine atoms are attached on the hormone, and how many iodine atoms are attached, determines its metabolic activity in the cells of our bodies.

T1 and T2 ( 1 and 2 iodine atoms, respectively) are thought of primarily as either:

1. building blocks for the synthesis of T3 and T4, or
2. metabolites left over from the deiodensing of T3 or T4.

T1 and T2 are thought to have no action in and of themselves. Although there has been some speculation that T2 does have a weak action on the mitochondia of the cells.

T3 aka tri-iodothyronine is the active, "ready to go to work in the cells" thyroid hormone. It does not need to be deiodenased. The 3 indicates 3 iodine molecules.

T4 aka thyroxine is the storage form of thyroid hormone... it has 4 iodine atoms. One of them needs to be removed (deiodenased) to turn it into T3, in various locations in the body or within in the cells themselves, in order for it to work. It has a much longer half life in the body, which is why its calt the storage hormone. Its usually what's given to hypothyroid patients under the name levothyroxine or the brand names such as Synthroid, Levoxyl, Unithryoid.

So in order to live, you absolutely have to have SOME iodine.

There's more to it than that, there are carrier protiens, the role of the liver, kidneys and adrenals, reverse T3, but this should give you an idea of the role of iodine in the creation of thyroid hormone.

In the absence of iodine, the thyroid can turn goiterous..ie grow, in an effort to make more thyroid hormone.

But the problem is not that the thyroid isn't big enuf, its that its missing iodine.

That's what was happening in the Goiter Belt...the area around the Great Lakes. Why the US government decided it would be prudent to add iodine to salt and flour... staples in the American diet in 1920.

As far as iodine allergy, my dad can't take iodine. Unfortunately its ubiquitous in many medical procedures. Peeps who are sensitive to iodine, ,u thoughts are that problem stems more from too much...issues of quantity... rather than being allergic to iodine itself. You can't live on a diet completely free of iodine since you need it for making thryoid hormone, without thyroid hormone, you die. There are low iodine diets available to peeps who are sensitive as well as for those preparing for thyroid ablation with radioactive iodine.

Yes I agree with you, everything is about balance when it comes to good health. Our bodies are a miracle of evolution, that more does not go wrong more often, astonishes me on a daily basis!

Thx for the providing the opportunity to share!
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emoticon I understand where you're coming from/ concerns. Some people newly diagnosed may have undernourished thyroids. My doc said I did it to myself, but I know, too, that I'd try rinsing my seeds because if you eat a pound of sunflower seeds they mess with your mouth (pucker dried). I was craving it for a reason because I had undiagnosed celiac (and wasn't eating as well as I know to now or because of depression I wasn't eating at all).

What do people do who are allergic to iodine?! Some people here have allergies to it, and are also on meds with iodine as ingredient?

You can get thyroid cancer with too much iodine or not enough; like life, it's about balance. Information is power, so I appreciate your sharing.

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hey Dotty!

I did not have a mineral trace test, no need.
I eat a balanced diet, avoid processed foods for the most part, and get adequet amounts of iodine between my diet and multi.

My thyroid story... I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis, one of the two thyroid auto-immune diseases that are aggrevated by excess amounts of iodine.

As a co-admin the Thyroid Forum, my caveat is based on numerous medical abstracts, articles and antecdotal iodine stories from members on my forum that I've read over the past coupla years.

Over time, I've come to the conclusion that iodine supplementation in excess of the RDA amounts is risky and should not be attempted unless a clear iodine deficiency is indicated. Iodine deficiency being rare in the US as its easily absorbable and plentiful in our food supply.

Since gluten intolerance is another autoimmune disease, it puts a person at risk for others. The thought of someone oversupplementing iodine and potentially triggering an autoimmune thyroiditis attack concerns me.

Everyone of course is free to experiment with their body, but I'd re-think messing with iodine!

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emoticon emoticon emoticon

Mzz - did you have a trace mineral test? What's your thyroid story/why do you say "Trust me..."

Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 8/24/2009 (11:54)
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Iodine has been impicated in the aggrevation of autoimmune forms of the disease, both Graves and Hashimoto's.

Autoimmune thyroid disease is the main cause of thyroid failure in this country. Its particularly common in women, the incidence increasing around menopause and after childbirth... times when our hormones are in transition.

Therefore I'd be careful about increasing your intake of this nutrient beyond the RDA of 150 MICROgrams.

www.medwire-news.md/63/58233/Thyroid
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xcess_iodine_increases_thyroid_diseaR>se_risk.html




The government has been adding iodine to salt since the 1920's in response to the high incidence of goiter in the Great Lakes area of our country. Why? Because its an area far from the sea, so the soils in this area of our country are iodine poor. Goiter is one response of the thyroid gland to chronically low iodine in the diet.

Iodine is also in processed foods, flour (okay so we can't have that!), strawberries (guess that counters the bromide based pesticides), seafood, and dairy... iodine is what cow's teats are sterilized with.

Check your multi, you're prolly getting enuf in there, in addition to any you may ingest in your diet.

There's a lot of good info out on the internet, but there's also peeps making money by banging the Fear Drum.

Pls be careful with this nutrient... too much isn't better, it can aggrevate your thyroid gland and take it from me, you don't want that to happen!

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Adding some info:
articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/
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Quote: "Bromides are a common endocrine disruptor. Because bromide is also a halide, it competes for the same receptors that are used in the thyroid gland (among other places) to capture iodine. This will inhibit thyroid hormone production resulting in a low thyroid state.

Iodine is essential for your body, and is detected in every organ and tissue. There is increasing evidence that low iodine is related to numerous diseases, including cancer. Various clinicians and researchers have found iodine effective with everything from goiter to constipation.

Bromide can be found in several forms. Methyl Bromide is a pesticide used mainly on strawberries, found predominantly in the California areas. Brominated Vegetable Oil (BVO) is added to citrus drinks to help suspend the flavoring in the liquid.

Potassium Bromate is a dough conditioner found in commercial bakery products and some flours."

"You are already exposed to far too much chlorine and bromine. Bromine can be found in a number of places in your everyday world, including:

•Pesticides (specifically methyl bromide, used mainly on strawberries, predominantly in California)

•Plastics, like those used to make computers

•Bakery goods and some flours often contain a “dough conditioner” called potassium bromate

•Soft drinks (including Mountain Dew, Gatorade, Sun Drop, Squirt, Fresca and other citrus-flavored sodas), in the form of brominated vegetable oils (BVOs)

•Medications such as Atrovent Inhaler, Atrovent Nasal Spray, Pro-Banthine (for ulcers), and anesthesia agents

•Fire retardants (common one is polybromo diphenyl ethers or PBDEs) used in fabrics, carpets, upholstery, and mattresses

•Bromine-based hot tub and swimming pool treatments






Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 8/22/2009 (19:45)
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Makes sense, but I don't know much about that kind of stuff. I did have a homeopathic doctor in Hawaii tell me that many women suffer from low thyroid, just not low enough to "pop" on conventional tests. I asked a doctor here about that, and he agreed--saying women on the low end of the conventional tests could be higher and feel better.

Iodine could become a problem as people go on low salt diets--isn't that the main place we get it now?

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from the altmedangel link below: "Low levels of iodine mean your thyroid isn't functioning properly. The thyroid helps balance hormones, regulate heartbeats, stabilize cholesterol, maintain weight control, encourage muscle growth, keep menstrual cycles regular, provide energy, and even helps you keep a positive mental attitude.

Women are naturally prone to iodine deficiencies. That's because the thyroid gland in women is twice as large as in men -- so under normal circumstances, women need more iodine. However, when women are under stress, the need for iodine can double or triple. Yet the foods we eat contain less and less dietary iodine. For example, back in 1940, the typical American diet contained about 800 micrograms of iodine. By 1995, that amount plunged to just 135 micrograms. That's an 83% decline.

Two thirds of the body's iodine is found in the thyroid gland. One of the best ways to boost your iodine levels is to add sea vegetables to your diet. Just one teaspoon of sea vegetables a day can help you regain normal iodine levels. Incorporating seafood and fish into your diet can also help. Other foods that contain iodine are eggs and dairy products, including milk, cheese and yogurt, onions, radishes, and watercress. Some foods, called goitrogens, should be omitted for awhile as they hinder iodine utilization. These included kale, cabbage, peanuts, soy flour, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli, kohlrabi and turnips. (I've read their okay if cooked, or if you eat them regularly/routinely.)"

ILLINITETEACHER - I don't know about allopathic doctors, but my naturopath had me rub iodine on my belly and I was to see how long it took to disappear. Trouble for me is I was either working out and sweaty, or showering, or my clothes rubbed, so I never followed up. This site's info sounds familiar: altmedangel.com/iodine.htm . -OR- ask for a trace mineral test from your doctor: bit.ly/YDGYT .
(I want to now!)

JENNCORRINE, I was undiagnosed for years: I craved salt and ate bags and bags of sunflower seeds (pica). I even called David's sunflower seeds after my thyroid diagnosis to see if their product used iodized salt (yes). The doctor told me I did it to myself by using salt (it was a question on the health history form, I said I couldn't get enough). I didn't know at the time I was celiac, so that put a new spin as to why I craved it. The sunflower seed itself is loaded with minerals and fat - which I sorely needed (I used to be a fat-phobe so the seeds gave me some). So, I hear ya on maybe not having enough. I don't believe sea salt has iodine (it may have other or more minerals than Morton's, but may also other contaminants (at least some businesses in France were shut down for this) ... I gotta read more.

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In searching online I came across an article about the Chinese actually lowering or removing iodine from their salt because of "health issues".

Quote:
"China, once one of the iodine-lacking nations in the world, started adding iodine to salt in 1995. Five national iodine-related illness investigations between 1995 and 2005 showed 95.4 percent of residents had iodine salt in 2005, a jump from 39.9 percent in 1995." -and-

"Excessive levels of iodine could lead to hyperthyroidism, which speeds up the metabolism, and even thyroid cancer," (!)
(from: bit.ly/2yk3cC )

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World Health Org site re: nutrition requirements for iodine: www.fao.org/docrep/004/y2809e
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.htm#bm18


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Here's a book I want to get from amazon, but I don't know when. If anyone else has it, do share! The comments are compelling: bit.ly/VGNOr .

Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 8/14/2009 (02:14)
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Interesting, I'm pretty sure that I get plenty of iodized salt outside of the home but this makes me think. I'm a child of the 70's when salt was evil add my Grandfathers had heart conditions and Dr's forbidded salt so there was very little to no salt growing up, or we'd have Vegit or garlic salt. Even now the only salt I have in my house is sea salt, and garlic salt.

Not only do I have CD, but low functional Thyroid and just barely pre-diabetic.

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Interesting. Can a person be tested for iodine levels? I don't think I have ever heard of that being done during a routine check up. I will have to check my blood panel. Maybe I just didn't pay attention.

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It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Linda C

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Many of us have other autoimmune issues besides celiac or gluten intolerance. Nutritional deficiencies are a likely reason why our thyroid's go out (and a clue to check for gluten intolerance, in hindsight, as I was dx hypothyroid a full 10 yrs before the celiac). Does anyone supplement?

I came across info regarding iodine I thought would be helpful; maybe to take up with your health care provider. I haven't researched this topic to say if this site is accurate or consistent with other "mainstream" sites, just know that it seems to take an alternate view (ie we likely need more), so take it with a grain of salt (groan, but I had to say it).

Quote: "Various clinicians and researchers have found iodine effective with hypothyroid and hyperthyroid conditions, goiter, fibrocystic breasts, uterine fibroids, ovarian cysts, brain fog, constipation, obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, arrhythmias like atrial fibrillation, and detoxification issues (mercury, perchlorate, fluoride, bromide)."

iodine4health.com/index.htm

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Quote: "Thyroid Disease.

Iodine deficiency is directly connected with numerous thyroid diseases, including hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism, goiter, autoimmune issues, and cancer. There is a great deal of controversy over what effects iodine has on these conditions. The amount of iodine appears to be critical, with either too little or too much iodine having undesirable effects. At this point, there is strong disagreement about how much iodine is optimal.



Cancer.

Iodine deficiency is strongly implicated in cancer including thyroid cancer, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer, stomach cancer, pancreatic cancer, colon cancer, and lung cancer. Researchers have been investigating molecular iodine (I2), apoptosis, NIS gene insertion, DNA methylation, and various other mechanisms that may be involved in various stages of cancer development and treatment.



Heart Disease.

Cann has hypothesized that iodine deficiency can have deleterious effects on the cardiovascular system, and correspondingly, that a higher iodine intake may benefit cardiovascular function. Thyroid hormones (T4, T3, and probably also T2, and T1) are important to the heart.



Multiple Sclerosis

Multiple Sclerosis belongs to a family of diseases that seem to be linked to iodine and selenium deficiency. Thyroid hormones are connected with re-myelination.



Diabetes

Diabetes is an autoimmune disease, with links to the thyroid autoimmune diseases. Flechas discusses conditions under which iodine is likely to be useful in the treatment of diabetes.



Aids

It is possible that iodine is effective in the treatment of human immunodeficiency virus and AIDS-associated opportunistic infections.



Lupus. An article from 1913 discusses nascent iodine for lupus.



Lyme Disease.

Iodine has been advocated for the treatment of Lyme Disease.



Sjogren's Syndrome

Sjogren's Syndrome is closely related to the thyroid autoimmune diseases and may have other links to iodine.





The research on iodine and disease is in its early stages with much speculation. There is still a great deal of controversy about which forms of iodine are best in which disease conditions and how much iodine is too much. Still, a great deal has been learned.



Obviously, this is a research and educational website. We are not giving medical advice. This web site is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Please find a qualified health practitioner for personal consultation on any disease condition."
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also: www.articlearchives.com/medic
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h/diseases-disorders/1867703-
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also: www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/25/1/1

Edited by: DOTSLADY at: 8/13/2009 (18:36)
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