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3/7/12 5:07 P

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Several years ago I thought maybe it would be smart to invest in Canadian Tar Sands Oil. My daughter, whose MBA is in International Business, set me straight, reminding me that the whole business is an environmental disaster. I learned a little more when there was a pipeline break just about 2 years ago at Marshall, MI, a few miles west of where I live, and I attended the EPA hearings. It truly was a major oil spill, with very large quantities of tar sands oil spewing out into the creek leading to the Kalamazoo River. They are still working at trying to clean it up. Tar sands oil is so dirty and so thick that it has to be "diluted" with benzene in order to get it to flow at all, even through a 30" pipeline. Note that benzene is just about the most carcinogenic fluid there is. Even when diluted, the tar sands oil is sticky, and it sinks to the bottom when in water. Now they want to build a pipeline to take the stuff down to Texas, but it has met with opposition from people in Nebraska, and President Obama has put a hold on the project.

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3/5/12 5:11 P

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I'm another who does a lot of housecleaning with vinegar and baking soda, but for laundry and dishes I buy cleaning soaps - my favorite brand is seventh generation.

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Heretic, a rebel, a thing to flout.
But Love and I had the wit to win:
We drew a circle that took him in!
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1/31/12 7:21 A

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Definitely, white vinegar is my favorite. I have a book called The Naturally Clean Home by Karyn Siegel-Mailer. Every recipe I've used from this has been a winner!

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1/24/12 5:25 P

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the tar-sands are considered the 'next big oil resource'. what they are is a type of petroleum soaked soil or sand as it is in that area. the thought is that over time the tar sands could aid the US in oil independence. i find the idea ironic since most of the oil sands are in canada. the chief proponent in the exploitation and integration of the sands is exxon mobile. personal opinion here: since i learned about the exxon valdez spill (it was a little early for me in age happened in 1989 and i was 5) i have refused to use or shop at exxon or mobile since then. in theory, the tar sands make sense with their minimal impact a.k.a. dramatically reduced chances of oil spills. the sands are highly transportable, but expensive to extract the quantity and grade of oil to offset their energy use with current technologies. hope this helps. let me know if you want more information.

as for cleaning products, my favorites are diluted vinegar, baking soda, and/ or ivory soap. ivory is completely biodegradable. i like using dr. bronner's too. any combination of those 3 with water can clean just about anywhere. another great cleaning product is lemon juice. i know that's not what you're looking for, but that is what we use at my house.

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1/24/12 5:15 P

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all i know about tar sand is it is an extremely dirty, high energy usage form of extracting oil from the earth. the Canadian company wanted to pipe it through a delicate environment, so now they are looking to reroute there proposed path. as for cleaning products "WHITE VINEGAR" is a great cleaner and fabric softener with a ton of information on the internet about how to use it

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1/24/12 4:30 P

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How much do you know about the Tar Sands in Canada? Where is a good place to buy all bio-degradable, plant based cleaning products?

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